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I saw you were reading the topic, figured you'd say something. see, I was right..

"The Way, it Was.." a mythical illusion.. j.l.'s illusion just happens to be a little more realistic to him than reality.. other than that, I dunno. it was an illusion.. of when one had the secrets of the universe at one's command.. the promise of moghood.. provided one stayed on the "right" path.. then the acid wore off.. well, for some, maybe it never did.. OK Garth.. it's all yours..

Probably angry- at how dad was de-maled by rosie.. the rest of the "trustees".. leadership.. and perhaps even donna. He's put out of the fold.. his "research" taught by others, and poor loy is languishing away somewhere, hardly a footnote now in the official cult history.. I highly highly doubt the angry young man lurks here.. if it were my dad, I don't think I would, or could. He's not the only "angry young man".. look at the sewers kid.. he is angry. At the treatment pops got from rosie and da ministry.. how the "spiritual calling" of the wienerville family was supposedly arbitrarily set at nought.. and pops and the rest of the "board" probably are just as angry.. at the "treatment" vic gets.. that it "really wasn't all his fault.. da PEOPLE made him do it.." I think the masked rage is at the least, dangerous.. especially seeing them try another go at the cornfield cult bizz.. And their "renewed mind" delusionality won't allow them to really deal with it..

Like, who? CES/stiffy? seems they didn't exactly "filter out" the good.. they sifted out the conceivable good and left the worst of the practice of "prophecy", authoritarianism and "we're rightism" that da way had to offer.. The boasting that "doctor" would be "proud" of what they are doing, that "dad" would appreciate their organization really suggests to me they are cut from the same cloth, share their ancestor's spiritual dna.. I think the moment they close their eyes and affectionately call vic "doctor".. it quacks like a cult.. and the statement that *we* left twi with da GOLD.. personally.. I think a few stolen doctrinal treatments of how many died with the lord, or how many days and nights he laid in the earth.. or analysis of the bible in terms of "administration" to be pretty trivial currency..

Thanks everybody.. it was a good birthday. It's good to have a few good friends..

It was "thanks".. dah, di di di di, di dah. da dit, dah di dah, di di dit thanks, it was a good birthday today. Nice to have a few friends..

I don't know if it's so much about whether he doesn't have a case.. maybe it's more a matter of whether any potential reward will actually be "collectable".. What I wonder.. are these guys still at each other's throats? What they need.. is a third party unaffected by their particular brand of nuttiness to sit as an arbitrator.. maybe it's too late for that.. who knows.. for a small handful of pecans, I'd consider..

somehow, I think STIFFI *members* don't quite have the deep pockets twi would have.. like *they* say.. if *prophecies* fail, call the lawyers..

Sooo.. it's been two months since the last post. Anything new? or are the "wheels of justice" merely grinding finely?

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The "Reflections" people would probably need a bull-whip to get it to "beehave"..

It would have to more closely resemble what I would call a "tortured beehive"..

I dunno about "puffy enough".. I think it's more like it isn't "scruffy enough"..

and as he walked up to the lecturn, he was probably singing to himself.. *Happinesssss, is a warm gun (bang bang shoot shoot)* *hapinesssss, is a warm gun mama..* *when I hold you.. in my arms..* vic groomed these guys.. taught them how to wear matching socks, color coordinated clothes.. how to make a suit look good.. and who was it that did the hair.. I forget the name of the department. Makeup.. how to get and hold a crowd's attention.. how to put on a talk.. but that's all "window dressing" as they say.. think what you want, but I think these are frivolous "virtues".. at least concerning an alleged "holy life".. I think the model that fits these guys was outlined by Erskine Caldwell.. Semon Dye- the blood-eyed, whiskey swigging, gun-toting, womanizing, thieving half excuse of a human being.. but he could make a suit look good at revival.. they are a dime a dozen.

"Packing heat" to a CHURCH SERVICE, of which one is the "featured speaker", just in case things "get out of hand".. doesn't that strike you as at the best, troubling, bizarre, sinister behavior? Just a thought.

Pretty big "snip".. aren't you just being a TAD too generous? he was a gun-toting PIMP for da mog, and WORSE, for crying out loud.. other than that, I'm sure he could be a charming, polite, quasi-intellectiual individual- if circumstances warranted it.. :)

He probably CAN'T retire.. that is, unless he's gotten special treatment or something.. and I'd think he couldn't get a job if or when they put him out to pasture.. what a waste of life.

I dunno.. it's a hobby.. maybe it has carnival kind of attraction.. gruesome, yet one can't look away.. compare the image to this: It's almost like somebody sprinkled some pixie dust.. maybe it's just advertising. "we can work with practically ANYTHING.."

Looks too good for rosie.. If it is, I'd bet on tons of digital enhancements to the image..

yeah.. maybe it's an illusion.. that those who think they are "not of us" would actually wake up.. I dunno.. I'm a dreamer.. maybe the dream will live in another day.. sooo.. we wait quietly for the next "incarnation".. have we really learned anything.. I hope..

so.. why did he abandon any kind of *legitimate* work for his *doctorate* now.. I'm out of breath.. on my way to a bachellor's in math.. a minor in chemistry.. I really appreciate the kind of work required for any kind of degree to begin with.. and even if hell freezes over, they are not going to simply give it to me.. sooo.. the *mogster* already has an actual legitimate master's degree.. what's gives here..? He goes from the potential of actually *being* what he claimed.. to what only he could repudiate he claimed.. I dunno.. it's sometimes hard to try to put one's self in another's shoes.. can't say I haven't tried..

I wish he could BE well. Unfortunately, there's not a lot I can do about that.. I don't know if there is even anything he himself can do.. and it seems the world is filled with these angry young men.. look at the "sewers" *phenomena*.. he's ANGRY.. how the *ministry* treated one of the heirs apparent.. I bet every single day rosie's lard rear occupies the seat in the cornfield is a spur digging in.. it's arrogance against arrogance.. I prefer to think it's his one last chance, and a life jacket held out in the highly improbable chance he'd really take it.. instead, he's probably gonna have the same karma follow him into the next life.. and wonder why the hell people hate him.. but *we* don't believe in reincarnation, do *we*.. :)

I think the "sewers" kid and paps are pretty much the same. Poke the skin a little, and arrogance just runs live a river.. "how dares ya question *my* motves and *the* doctrine.." and it probably really hurts.. other than that, I imagine they can be really nice people, pleasant, charming..

One thing a person could say for crowley.. he probably didn't have some kind of multi-personality disorder. Claimed to be evil, wicked.. and he lived it. The interesting thing is he STILL managed to have a few friends.. without covering up all of his blackness. I think he was more "well adjusted" than vic, or even loy.. other than a little bit of sensationalism, I don't think crowley left very many curtains to be pulled back in his life.. he just appealed to a different kind of audience. Some of the "religious" types I've confronted.. give the sheep's clothing a little poke.. they've growled and hissed..one of them, "DON'T YOU DARE TOUCH MY RIGHTEOUSNESS... growwwl, hisssss.. grrrrrrr.." it's one of those distant memories, burned in my consciousness forever..

I think it's debatable whether he even CAN live in "the real world".. put his name and address in a phone book.. I don't think so. Of course, that might be more along the lines of survival instincts.. hold a job that can't tolerate more than the average arrogance.. or muster up enough stomach to walk in a holocaust museum.. or offer a genuine, sincere apology, to everyone he's ever abused.. but then again, I hear sometimes pigs can fly..