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I think the "meat" of da verd as referred to by vic was mutton..

the reason I say "immature" and "suckered".. it's a mind that is CLOSED to ANYTHING it does not want to hear.. no criticism is welcome.. of ANY KIND.. even if it's life depends on it.. all it want to know is how "wonderful" it is.. how it's "instrumental" in the MOVE of GAWD..

the best mac could muster up by himself was ffiteen seconds of fame, trespassing on da way's cemetary property.. revering the "famous(?)" fire ring as spiritually more significant than the Arlington Cemetary.. he was harmless at the time.. from the best I read it.. why couldn't they just let him have his little stroll, and he'd go away.. no trouble, no embarassments on either side.. civil disobedience may have its place, but the whole scene was rather ridiculous.. what did they think.. let an old "hippie" roam the property, and soon they'd come in masse, live in tents and make the place look like woodstock? I further question jp's outcry about the mrs. I agree, and feel her situation was POORLY handled.. but the whole situation was rather "politicized". That's where I would draw the line on this.. to me, it looking back, I think it was a rallying point, and a failed attempted "coup" of sorts.. so BOTH mac and jp have a rather large heavy and old ax to grind with those "in power" in New Knoxville.. NOW.. they start this "continuation" of da way corps.. same junk, "new(?)" "leadership".. and they put the vicster's namesake at the helm.. give him enough audience and adulation that an immature mind cannot turn it down? Yeah.. another "coup" of sorts.. what else am I supposed to think? I think they either are knowingly, or subconsciously, the lowest of any oportunists I've ever known.. they are willing to sacrifice the kid's professional career if not sanity, in pursuit of a dream long past dead.. I think this train has been on a finely greased track for YEARS..

who says they don't.. what's real pathetic.. I think they are taking a free ride on the kid's carefully chosen name.. I don't think the kid has the experience, maturity or developed mental accumen to "manage" anything like this, no less managaing his way out of a wet paper bag.. I say it CAN'T be "his" "ministry" so you take a NOVICE.. he's barely past adolescence.. add worship and adulation.. and what does one get?

In academics, it is often the instructor's perogative to do so.. but it is not done blindly. The "exception" generally must show mastery of the material in chemistry 101 before a reputable instructor would consider it. Or one can merely "test out" of chemistry 101. Either way, one must know the material.. "theology 101" surely involves the knowlege to know when it's appropriate to keep one's weenie in one's pocket..

here's a real world description of a snow storm thick enough to block out the sun.. "pitch black".. not just a whiteout. http://rohnbayesjourney.typepad.com/my_web...a-snow-ode.html In the fall of the year you'd think somebody else other than the vicster would "notice" an event like this..

for a brief moment I though you had.. perhaps I was mistaken.. Welcome Friend.. I'm glad somebody else can see it..

I still don't see anything worth the admiration of standing when his "holy" presence enters the room.. christ.. less than friggin thirty years old.. not around the block even ONCE.. by any stretch of the imagination.. but by god.. let's worship the little stinkers heritage.. and his "consort".. It's the egotistical arrogant PARENT that I have some *real* issues with.. so rosie handed you your male anatomy.. get over it.. grow another one for god's sake.. and then get a friggin life.. if you pass this onto your own offspring.. may god have mercy on your soul..

Yeah.. it's what he thinks he is..

on top of all this.. not ONE SINGLE professor claims power to ARBITRARILY dismiss students, or close the "program" so as to maintain "order".. not a single one.

Out of EVERY SINGLE professor I had here.. there is only one I'd consider an "idjit".. not for intellectual reasons- and even he didn't demand the respect due only to God himself.. Ten guys with freaking DOCTORATES in mathmatics.. they ALL had tenure, and not a single one.. expected the class to stand when their presence "graced" the room.. not a single one.. expected chairs strung and tables placed at precise mathmatical intervals.. not a single one.. required a lecturn, behind which was a glass of ice, and a bowl with mints, carefully broken into four pieces.. I wonder if the sowers stand for the little numbnuts..

actually.. I think the con was EASY. The kid did manage to graduate with a bachelors from a legitimate university.. likely he KNOWS how hard it is to actually EARN a degree.. I'm three credits away from a bachelor's in math, and I know how much work I had to put into it. Now.. if I'm going to really DO something with it.. like teach.. if I'm not content to tutor at some place like Sylvan or a local self-help education center, either I need a teaching degree, or I go into a master's program, and pray they'll let me be a professor's assistant.. my GRE score WILL open that door, I believe.. either way, it's going to be: HARD WORK. So the kid has a choice.. what will it be.. some hard work, or supposed success OVERNIGHT? After all.. he can use his business knowledge to run a cult bizz.. get all the worship and adulation due only to God Almighty himself.. and the "participants" will hear how unworthy they are, how only *he* sacrificed for all this.. coulda run a fortune 500 company instead.. Sadly, those who ARE older in that group either won't hear, or can't hear.. I think it's a matter of, they don't really know how to do anything DIFFERENT.

I wonder how many reaming sessions they've had with the little sowers participants because they don't pay the mini mogster and company the "right" amount of RESPECT? after all *he* "sacrificed" ( academic integrity, good sense and a possible profession for all this) "get it right or we'll just send you all home.." I can almost hear this junk at times.. if anyone knows any different, now's the time to speak up..

Yeah.. nice people.. what I wonder is what they promised the kid that suckered him into this.. or maybe they just mentally beat the daylights out of him daily, "informing" him of his "destiny".. I think every human being is otherwise normally "nice".. but like the tee shirt I once saw, "Instant a**h*le, just add alcohol".. I'd rewrite it: "instant monster, just add enough worship, and unbridled adulation.." I think it's over and above any kind of "love bombing" any of us ever succumbed to.. and if one offers anything else.. he has no need for one..

I actually had some respect for him once.. once the family was out of der vey.. in the "real world".. actually having to get along with "normal" people..getting a degree from a real, legitimate university.. it looked like he and the family were moving on in life.. "getting over it".. then he hooks up with CFF.. and that in itself isn't the problem I think.. but I think for him and crowd, I don't think it went far enough- it didn't offer enough-enough unbridled control over people's lives.. not a big enough authoritarian position.. now he's hooked up with goons who pump his ego and are living off of his heritage and carefully chosen name.. I've gone from having respect for this individual to having an extreme urge to urinate on his heritage.. I guess an "elder" oughter not think such thoughts, ey? I wish they'd give me reason to think something better..

more like.. "to inflict physical castigation so as to lower one's resistance to der verd as it hath notter been known since da first century.." and always living on the "edge".. not knowing if arbitrarily, one will be sent packing.. sent on hazardous journeys.. hitchhiking across the country with only twenty bucks in your pocket, which one MUST bring back intact, and ON TIME.. and I BET they check the serial number on it.. putting absolutely UNQUALIFIED, reckless, arrogant FOOLS in charge of a situation which could potentially (and sometimes actually DID) have disastrous consequences to "God's People".. that's what a system of little or no accountability produced once I asked nice once.. more than once. "What are you doing that is any bit different than what the parent organization did?" "who are you accountable to, other than your own egotistical little selves.."

I wonder if that includes a diet of beans and millet, five hours of sleep at night (at best) and suprise "fun runs" at 3AM.. and LOTS of chopping firewood, clearing land.. nobody is saying though. Leave me in the dark, and I can have a pretty good imagination.. unfortunately, it turns out to be correct most of the time..

I actually heard in the old organization.. "whadya need a retirement account for.. just trust in gawd.. da word's all you need.." if (or when) the economy really tanks.. their fortune will have the same value as mine.. the bigwigs in that "organization" who can't fend for themselves.. will be out on the streets.. look what they did to the mrs.. and that was in GOOD times..

Yes, I know him.

I agree. twi is basically decimated, with little hope of recovery. Paw, if there comes a time again that there is a real, genuine, substantial NEED for a site like this to expose the evils of der vey, I'm sure somebody will step up to the plate.. probably in ten or fifteen years or more, after the sowers have gone through a few "disgruntled" "followers"..

just wonder.. maybe just a small point, but if GS shuts down, doesn't that make any arguments over the editorial process as some would say, a moot point? :)

Yep.. there's "work to be done" ya know.. us old horses just can't put in the same day's labor anymore..

ah yes.. the age factor. Young, healthy.. full set of teeth.. a real portrayal of the "more abundant life"..

Heyyy.. that reminds me of how big they were when I was young.. after trapping, shooting or otherwise bagging one of these, it would take three or four grown men to drag it home.. enough meat to feed the village for a week.. no no no.. this kind of thing just BEGS for more imagination..

I think they aren't on any different path than sellers of practical kaballah, magic or witchcraft.. USING "holy" material to get POWER.. If it "works", it's just another sewer line to corruption. there exist forums for people who "escaped" kaballistic "cults" that look not much unlike greasespot..