Ham

to this point you have not even seen an "antagonistic" environment.. disappointed, fed up.. perhaps. But antagonistic.. no. Don't take this wrong.. you have no clue what an antagonistic environment is.. you MIGHT see it in your lifetime, maybe not..

I dunno.. but look at the adds at the bottom of the page here.. google adds for body armor..

Nor I the works of Aleister Crowley..

but he's like the pope! Or at least Santa Claus.. The R.C.'s still regard the "distillation" of "truth" from their leader's lips above and beyond question, do they not? I read where they went as far as to say that they were sent "wicked popes" when they were "off the ball.." the people musta been BAD people ya know.. and they held that the pope's "authority" was still god-given, and MUST be obeyed.. he could trace his lineage to peter and all.. same for the english and french royalty.. I've seen where some of them try to trace their lineage back to abraham and david.. http://www.ccg.org/english/s/P067.html now we have the modern, however FAR LESS well known wienerwillian version. Son of a farmer.. descendent of Hugenauts.. "destined" to be da KING, ahem, I mean mog.. he couldn't trace his lineage to David, however, or Solomon.. though some here have TRIED, by comparison.. so the next best thing? We need a miraculous sign to confirm the "divine" appointment.. it's really the same religion.. we have a class which "rules".. edicts and doctrines cannot be questioned or challenged.

maybe they marked and avoided the bagpipes..

actually I think I do understand you.. areas of focus, repetition and magnification.. in other words, its doing the same thing, over, and over, and over.. constantly "renewing the mind".. continuously speaking in tongues.. "witnessing".. reading the books.. constantly reminding God of his supposed areas of responsibility in the relationship.. (praying for "what's available" and all) maybe I'm wrong.. but it looks like a "high maintenance" relationship. so high maintenance.. that in YOUR words: I think one day.. maybe not today, but one day you'll come to the realization "I just can't do this any more.." EVERYTHING about the way was "high maintenance".. "friendships", if you'd call them that.. "eligibility" to hear the supposed newest and bestest teachings.. *any two believers who can renew their minds and all* marriages.. and last but not least, our "relationship" with the Almighty.. it was such a FRAGILE thing, it required constant renewing of the mind, speaking in tongues.. "doing" da word.. in short, constant NAGGING.. I just don't see much trust in a relationship like that anymore..

though they may share some common elements.. I think there is a distinct difference between and "intimate" relationship, and one which is merely "high maintenance"..

maybe then the relationship isn't as strong as you think it is..

and I think the "success" of the operation was due to the recruitment of those who could consistently display credibility.. like Doop, Heefner..and others.. and we were all unknowingly (maybe some knowingly..) following a madman.. seems when one found out, one also found oneself expendable.

It's like following a person.. running the same cloverleaf on a freeway all day long.. honestly.. there IS actually a world on the other side of the off ramp. Seriously Mike.. you won't fall off the ends of the earth or anything.. maybe it wouldn't be as boring if the ride actually went SOMEWHERE to begin with..

I think the conditioning was SO effective.. documented here at greasespot.. well over twenty years after the mogster has been stone, cold, dead, under the fountain.. my requests addressed to one or two individuals for "what results? what miracles are you talking about? what is the product actually DOING for YOU???" draw vague responses, and replies that I'm just carnal to even ask.. "after all ham, we BELIEVE first, then we SEE.." OK.. you "believe".. what do you actually SEE? "well.. you wouldn't understand it.." It's really more pitiful than laughable though..

Not that I'm a psychiatrist.. by a long shot.. but it seems he told these little "stinkers", the man in India, miraculously "healed" like Jesus did.. and the story of the audible voice from heaven.. and when the dust settled, went on to something that sounded slightly more believable.. like his "exclusive", "scientific" method of studying the bible.. maybe that lowered the resistance.. after all, how could a "fruitcake" develop this material.. but unknown to me at the time, even at it's best, it wasn't his to begin with.. I mean.. if he was a guy who heard from da almighty, SURELY we could trust him.. after all, other than that, he seemed about as ordinary as the next guy.. he already had (possibly fictitious) characters addressing him as "doctor".. maybe we oughter get with it and do the same.. after his "lordship" was established.. the product sold itself.. requests for documentation (i.e. healings, miracles) could then be easily beat down. just a few thoughts anyway..

Or a mantle could be a very hot place, the destination of mogster types. It was merely mis-spoken. Not "passed the mantle".. maybe it was passing over INTO the mantle (a very hot place). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_(geology) they even have a nice picture:

Perhaps. But he looks so troublesomely "happy"..

Hmm Well, if that's the case, at least SOMEBODY loves us..

now 119.. I wouldn't think it would be government bots.. greasespot is pretty benign in content.. probably the biggest threat would be if the "bad people" got too close, and old timer ex-culties here would beat them with their canes..

Now its down to 123.. the eyes of strange, eerie internet things of da night are upon us.. Welcome, you strange, eerie things..

hmmm... maybe school's back in session.. a group of abnormal psychology students gathering information for a paper or thesis or something..

umm, who cares about WHAT? I dunno.. if the old mogster was merely delusional and just harmless, maybe nobody would.. The delusion lives on.. apparently these kids "don't care".. give them twenty or so years though.. grown adults, in their fifties and sixties, perpetuating this nonsense, for the next generation, when they REALLY are old enough and (assuming) mature enough to sort it out.. a person is better off believing in Santa Claus..

I always wondered about that too.. but Hoffman's lsd experiments started in 1943.

I dunno. I wouldn't chalk it up to a hundred percent hucksterism.. maybe somebody's got "something".. but once they slap a greasy price tag on it, I think it practically immediately turns into snake oil..

I suppose I should ask, which snowstorm? The snow on the pumps, or the torrential snows in tulsa, blocking his holy arrogances exit? either way though, I guess the vote is the same for me.. Hmm.. hallucinated. Maybe it was a real big huff of DMT.. Kesey saw Lou Costello materialize out of a pipe once..

I'll have to remember that statement the next time something like this crosses my path..