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well.. I think I'll just keep this thread "warmed up".. like the "stretched" coffee in the old pfal classes.. but really.. I didn't make the "no error" claim.. PLEASE explain how a small fact such as the caananites not really being decendants of cain (if the bible is really true in this regard) escaped the grand distillation of "all truth".. or how Ahab really wasn't the son of Jeroboam.. that he in reality according to the TEXT- the son of Omri.. I wouldn't be suprised if someone couldn't find the actual work where the vicster plagiarized this particular set of errors.. personally.. I don't think anyone can grow spiritually in such a static environment..

and it's really the same mentality.. "isn't the character whose writings you revere, wasn't he an egotistical, arrogant, sex maniac, and drug fiend?" "well.. *little* issues aside.." where do you think the vicster learned his *craft* anyway?

I for one don't buy into the concept (anymore) that "god breathed" is equivalent to "Drambuie breath".. not really trying to mean or anything.. but it's almost as pathetic as the modern day followers of Aleister Crowley.. they hold his "divine revelation" as "the word of gawd"..

the snow here once ALMOST came in July. It came in June.. it was a crystal clear, blue skied day.. the snow started to decend.. on houses, gas pumps, streets, dogs, cats left to their own devices in the great out of doors, trees.. it's Michigan for crying out loud.. what does one expect? well.. it happened once.. heheh

all I can hear are the crickets.. funny, in the middle of the winter..

that's why I pulled that thread up.. about 42 pages worth of it.. we could painstakingly go over each issue there not properly or logically addressed if need be.. starting with the genealogy issue.. this thread is supposed to be about the vicster's snow storm he tried pulling over our eyes..

Perhaps one of the BIGGEST errors in the written material.. look at page one of the 62 page sylabus.. "Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille" no, factually, he was NOT a doctor, did not complete a legitimate path of study.. held a piece of paper that was another falsehood, to adorn the wall with.. I'd like to see these errors.. starting with calling abraham and his decendants offsprings of Cain.. and the ERROR asserting that ahab was a son of Jeroboam.. PROPERLY and LOGICALLY addressed by the "other side of the story"..

another one from raf.. haven't seen this one adequately explained by "the other side of the story" either.. but I'd like to see them addressed LOGICALLY.. starting with my two little finds..

Raf's original post, for those who only read the last few posts on a thread: Geo's astute observation:

If the "final", "canonized" form of herr gawd breathed works are supposed to be the distillation of the all-truth as such.. please explain how "god" could make such a fundamental error.. the canaanites the children of Israel married were decendents of ABRAHAM.. Abraham was a decendent of Noah, Noah a decendent of Seth.. Skim. VERY quickly.. actually, there is an article on the main site Raf did on actual errors..

These are two bonafide, "legitimate" ERRORS. I never saw this addressed.. for six years..

just figured this is where current discussion on the snow thread should go.. we already have forty-three pages. What's forty three more?

That's what I thought..

how we were persuaded to follow a man, "dumber than lice".. well, I just don't have the words for this..

maybe it was viewed as some kind of "spiritual" battle.. mano y mano.. unfortunately, the lice proved superior to the mog in "renewed mind vigor"..

the "standard treatment" involves a LITTLE (gasp) MONEY.. chemicals.. designed to crush the life out of the said lice, and their eggs..

here's an "interesting" `article that might have some relevance here.. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,970386,00.html no, we didn't carry ak-47's.. but what fundamentally is different? I won't say any more..

I really think they ran the "ministry" like a vacuous, soulless corporation.. when the numbers said that any continued effort would produce little net revenue, they just pulled in the welcome mat..

see.. that's why some of us were "put out" of the *great* household.. they like the benefits of "association".. but not the liabilities. If one is sick.. or mentally troubled.. a "bad witness".. like it or not, some of my "problems" are part of the millstone they are bearing about their neck- lots of other individuals "problems" as well.. not *all* of my own personal problems.. I imagine some of them are of my own making.. but *who* "broke the salt"? just a question.. some of us were run out of twig, not because we were "failures".. or an embarrassment.. but because we had the remote possibility that we could become so.. does this make sense?

friend Tzazia.. could I offer.. if TWI took NOTHING, then they would not be responsible for the outcome.. if they took: 1. MONEY 2. TIME 3. ETC. they share the "benefit".. why do they not share the consequences? I thought we were supposed to be in some kind of "full sharing" mode or something.. just a thought..

what amazes me, are the "programs" which find me some kind of heretic or infidel because I simply refuse to bite, the second time.. or merely produce a few legitimate questions.. had I followed a different timeline... I'd be one of those morons demanding unquestioning obedience and loyalty.. no thanks, morons.. I'd rather die starving in the streets..

the real tragedy.. they have "renewed their minds" sufficiently to relegate people's life experiences here, as being the imagination of those "few" disgruntled, dissatisfied, "customers" with an ax to grind.. sure, I had "fun" on my wow year.. *sometimes* the food was good.. got away from home, got a little more independant.. but I could have done the same thing in the peace corps..

the new organization.. how many on the "board" are "ordained"? well.. they ordain themselves.. or were "ordained" by the vicster in the old organization.. so we have three to five individuals, who won't be "fuddy duddies" and voice any REAL objections.. the "big man" probably has inherited the vicster's "power of attorney".. they will crank out "ordained" YOUNG men and women at a phenomenal rate.. too young. Too naive, too immature, to realize- they are placing trust in yet another fiendish multi level marketing program which will not benefit them in the long run.. financially, or intellectually, or professionally, or SPIRITUALLY..

and I'd add- at one time, I believe that 99 percent of "ordained clergy" were under thirty.. of those, I'd say 75 percent were under 25. I'd say all but one or two were not mature enough to realize they were placing trust in an organization who used them as victims and proponents of a fiendish multi-level marketing program which would NEVER benefit them personally, or financially in the long run..

for the size of the old organization, isn't it signifcant the small number of "members" over fifty? There was vic, ermal and harry.. and about how many other "elders"? Not many that I can count in my head right at the moment.. and they ALL supported the vicster if he just said thus sayeth da lard.. didn't need any logical explanation or anything.. so you have a group of castrated "elders" who would either support his insanity, or merely turn a blind eye to it. maybe that's one of the root reasons for the "success" of the wow program, corps, etc..