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I saw Mike come back.. and remembered this little issue was never answered.. thought I'd bring it back to the top. Still.. nothing. I'm probably a "heretic" who being twice "confronted" with the supposed facts of the vicster's "goodness", and having failed to comply, am supposed to be "rejected" or something.. or maybe he considers these "unlearned questions" or something.. or maybe it's just a "sin" to read sections of the bible not referred to by "his holiness" in the sacred writings.. or look consider material from other authors..

It was the little orange book, studies in abundant living vol. III. The vicster claimed that the kings of israel were of the line of Jeroboam.. he also claimed that the caananites were decendants of Cain.. the canaanites the children of Israel married were decendents of ABRAHAM.. Abraham was a decendent of Noah, Noah a decendent of Seth. Not Cain. There were some Ishmaelites as well I think.. but they likewise were decendants of Abraham..

Be careful soldering the battery.. i.e. don't allow the battery leads to touch each other (or both simultaneously touch the soldering iron tip). high capacity batteries can at the least get very, very hot if one shorts the terminals together..

Really.. it's so simple a Squirrel can understand it.. The kings of Judah could trace their lineage back to David.. The kings of Israel did not share a common lineage. Jeroboam broke off with the northern kingdom.. he was not a decendant of David.. he was an Ephrathite.. Nadab his son reigns after him.. he reigns two years.. Baasha (a decendant of Issachar) conspires and kills Nadab.. and reigns. he dies, Elah his son reigns in his stead.. then there is a military coup.. Zimri slays him. Zimri reigns in his stead for only seven days.. Omri, another general off on an expedition, is installed by those in the "camp" as king, they retaliate and slay Zimri.. civil war ensues.. Omri, head of one party, and Tibni, head of the other.. Omri wins, and he reigns.. he dies later.. and Ahab the son of Omri reigns. so at least to Ahab, we see only ONE king that was of the lineage of Jeroboam. After Nadab, generally it was one military coup after another. The kings of Israel were hardly of the lineage of Jeroboam.. looks pretty black and white to me.. "well, what difference does it make? whether they were sons of Jeroboam, or not?" it makes all the difference between a "God breathed" accurate word of der vicster, and a pile of error.. like he said, it's like a chain. Only as strong as it's weakest link..

still waiting.. *yawns* what about the genealogy? the text says one thing.. and EVERY STINKING publication of der victoid's "works" said another.. I'm trying to be a good host here.. but the coffee is starting to look moldy.. maybe a couple shots of Drambuie will kill the mold..

he did the "second best".. sent out goons of the worst description to try to confront, and spiritually maim..

I think Pan*rello started some kinda bible fellowship ministry or something.. I understand he had about a quarter of the "proclivities" that loy exhibited..

still waiting.. what about the genealogy.. *do dee do dee doo dee doooo*.. the stretched, overheated coffee isn't going to be very palatable a heck of a lot longer.. I'll have to add some more salt.. maybe "stretched" tea bags to spruce it up..

Happy Birthday MO! Hope you enjoyed it..

and no roa.. well, the roa represented a HUGE amount of money- discretionary income for most- spent in food, gas, (a few) hotel rooms, plane tickets, in short nothing less than a FORTUNE spent outside of "da ministry" just to GET THERE.. I think it was greed.. pure and simple.. cut overhead, tent rental fees.. I bet the big top rent wasn't CHEAP.. and put the squeeze harder on the people who had discretionary income so as to be able to even attend a roa.. people could subsequently have more time "on the field" WORKING.. more money, multiplied by 0.15, 0.2.. to arrive at hq by shovel loads..

I think he really thought that he could coerce, intimidate and otherwise shake down "believers" for the revenue lost by abandoning roa, wow, etc. same revenue, far less strategic planning, far less- WORK. Put the corps full time, turn them into "motivators" and meddlers with their noses in every crevice of people's lives.. sex, kids, MONEY..

looks like the site is two years old.. by the copyright. I wonder it the "theological world" is beating a path to their door yet..

It's useless.. you'd get an answer like from General Smythe.. "there is no need, it's in the record.." Mr. Baumgardner, I wonder if you get this reference.. :)

and to the "other side".. let me just say, if it were a matter of the vicster JUST being a wine bibber and friend of publicans and sinners, and was just an otherwise "nice guy", I wouldn't have an issue here. don't compare him to Jesus or Paul.

He goes by JJ here. Here's a link to his profile.. you could pm him through that. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showuser=2723

Yeah.. more believable than (at least one) alternative.. That the God who created the heavens and earth.. with infinite wisdom and foreknowledge, would choose to reveal the "secrets of the universe" to a (if not at the time, very soon to be) drambuie breathed, lecherous, plagiarizing, thieving, abusive, arrogant, conceited, egotistical, LAZY, but opportunistic swindler, (did I miss anything? :) ) a half an excuse of a *man* to subsequently bury the "secrets" under an unbridled trail of sexual abuse, druggings, drunkenness, and general mayhem. Really.. I'd find the aliens, dmt, and lead pipe scenario much easier to believe..

or.. maybe it was just a simple combination of the above.. massive dose of dmt, administered by aliens.. followed by "administration" of said sock, or lead pipe.. then the missing time.. hey.. to me, it's more believable, than the alternative..

or maybe it was just a massive dose of dmt.. people have experienced something resembling a snowstorm in such a manner.. Kesey even claimed to have seen Lou Costello materialize out of a pipe full of that stuff for about a minute and a half..

October.. hmm. Perhaps.. just perhaps.. maybe the old vicster was "taken" by aliens.. you know, one of those cosmic socks full of sand, or lead pipes over the head.. when he woke up all he could see was stars.. I could see how one could mistake the experience for a massive undocumentable snowstorm. Everything just kinda goes black at first.. or maybe he experienced some kind of "missing time" experience.. due to whatever.. or maybe the same effects from the above explanation.. or *they* just brought him back in the middle of January.. he just THOUGHT it was still October..

Fair enough Raf.. but I hope you don't mind some of us thumping a long dead equine type of animal here.. not exactly. Name one, please. Really.. the only one who "read errors" into the greek manuscripts, that I know of, was Wordsworth.. and he took liberties to change words to ones which would "ordinarily be used".. but not out of a spirit of "unbelief". but before that.. let's address the little genealogy issuse.. without references to not being "meek" or "humble" or some such nonsense.. the mogster was caught with his pants down, intellectually in this case here..

not this squirrel..

Absolutely. I am Swami Squirrel.. Hey.. we must be twins.. maybe brethren.. and if the administrator checked, he might even detect that we have the same IP address..

well.. I can float around out here, keep the stretched coffee and drambuie warm.. waiting.. hums.. *to do do do do do do doooooo*.. *la dee dee, la dee dooooo..*

ever wonder WHY there was a creation? Could it possibly be.. just maybe.. God was all he wanted to be (or cared to).. then came the committees..