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maybe that's all they were taught..

one other point.. or thought. when the whole world seems full of sarcasm.. booing and hissing.. it is not necessarily because the world itself actually stinks.. maybe it's the bad performance that SCREAMS for these kind of reviews.. I've had to look within a few times.. So.. wd.. what I "read" in you.. you probably really hate yourself.. probably have done something nasty, or a whole lot of nasty in God's name.. I have done some as well, and loathe the memory of these brutish acts, the less than half a handful of times I did so.. but you can't bring yourself to self-flagellation, or self-loathing. Or even loathing the acts themselves.. so... what does one do.. ah.. bring a whole community to the point of lashing out.. you have the inner judge and jury which REQUIRE this.. but then on the other hand.. you have the dumbass vicster's theology which prevents you from doing so.. of course I could be wrong.. but that's my impression here..

I think you over rate yourself.. and I think you don't "read" people very well either.. it isn't that they relive the past day after day, every bad experience in da way.. it's more like they won't put up with the same bad behavior.. the "reception" you get here.. the razzes, the hisses, the sarcasm, etc.. doesn't that tell you something? and it isn't limited to this little neck of the woods either.. I've seen the same kind of authoritarian posturing met with the same kind of reception in very different venues..

I wonder if he's still hiding out in a way paid hovel in Ohio somewhere.. writing his memoirs.. roughly titled in english, "My Struggle".. sowy..

what I want to know.. when he *returns*, will he be holding a rise and expansion book in his right hand..

ever consider that's why you get the "reception" you do here? That is EXACTLY what was wrong with the old ministry.. loy didn't care, the vicster didn't care who he gut stripped.. they KNEW what their actions would produce.. and they simply did not CARE what kind of effect they had.. now this is just an observation.. I've SYSTEMATICALLY seen you draw out the worst sarcasm from the gentlest people here.. and a further observation.. GENERALLY, the sarcasm is deserved.. but you don't care. It's your life..

no, I have an OPINION. And it usually takes me a lot of consideration to form one.. but post after post after post.. that's what you come off to me as.. a NOVICE. The arguments.. could be easily debated by a freshman in high school.. I'm not calling you an idiot, or bad names here.. it's just, if people had that perception of me, I would want to know. I'm really being polite here..

oh yes.. the tongues with interpretation thingy.. what did you think? the "message" very well may sound like it's "just for you".. but one needs to remember the person giving the "message" may know quite a bit more about the new guy at fellowship than the new guy realizes..

the last "fellowship" I went to that was loosely affiliated with ces, cff, etc.. the "teacher" carefully analyzed why liberals were supposedly so "screwed up".. that they have no logic.. just throw their minds to debils, or the least, are under their influence.. that one might not turn "homo" overnight, but slowly, gradually, one day.. that *they* are so deceived, unlike *us*, who "know the truth.." I was polite. I sat there, jangled my head up and down like the rest of the crowd.. (didn't want them to think *I* held a few liberal ideas, and subsequently, was "screwed up" or "posessed). But I "escaped" their spiritual "radar".. the possessed Squirrel slowly made his way for the door.. The teaching was over.. had a cup of coffee.. shook a few hands.. and I NEVER WENT BACK. that was during the last election. No, not 2008. The one before.

and that is the undercurrent that flows beneath about ninety some percent of offshoots Brushstroke.. oh.. did they do the tongues and interpretation thingy or "prophecy" for you?

quite true.. I've found a remedy.. just agree with everybody.. doesn't seem to be catching on though..

Seems to me.. should I say it? Arguing with wd about the vicster's guilt or lack therof.. is like arguing with Mike about the supposed merits of pfal.. Just an observation. Don't take it personally, but wd.. you really seem to be what's the word.. a NOVICE. A novice, in legal matters.. about as qualified to judge legal matters as a barely post-freshman psychology major is qualified to practice psychiatry.. at least that's what I perceive in your posts.. they seem SOPHMORIC. That's the word. No documentation with case law.. court records.. just assertions of sophmoric legal mumbo jumbo that a real professional would not waste the time to debate with you.. don't take it as a personal attack. You are probabaly otherwise a wonderful human being..

or if there is a systematic method of bible study, designed to break down your "illogical" beliefs.. "I staunchly believe in the trinity" is almost like marking yourself with a bullseye for some wayers and ex-wayers.. a lot of these groups inherit the vicster's intolerance and opinion that many adherants to the trinity are "possessed of devils".. too blinded to understand their "truth".. they really think.. that if one is "compromised" enough to believe it, they've given up their free will.. that very well may be the undercurrent you will find yourself dealing with..

and.. very likely, *they* (or whoever runs the thing) will be ready for YOU.. you very well may find yourself facing a pure stranger who somehow suddenly knows quite a bit about you.. little personal things you may have related to your "friends" in class..

I'd straight up ask them about the lawsuits and prophecy fiasco.. and wouldn't accept how "we don't air our dirty laundry for Jesus' sake" or some such nonsense.. of course if they are merely "affililated" with stfi.. they might not even KNOW about any of this.. might end up just being merely a harmless bible fellowship.. But it might be a good history lesson.. very likely, unless they stray into relm of nose spiders and the really biazarre, you will witness practically exactly how a way fellowship was conducted in the seventies through the nineties, along with a demonstration of how da way taught and practiced tongues with interpretation and prophecy. They will EXPECT you to be dazzled.. I'd remember two words: love bombing..

I wonder what emboldened these MORONS to do something like that in front of a "witness".. maybe they thought I was too beat down to say or do anything about it.. well.. they were right, at the moment..

I personally witnessed three wives publically abused and humiliated.. back in the "good old days".. 1976. oh yeah.. the "men" were (supposedly) LEADERS.. one handpicked by the vicster himself.. (supposedly) a REVERAND.. the other two, handpicked by the guy the vicster chose..

If the profile is right, this guy was born in 1909.

interesting how they manufactured a god who was a bully, a grumpus.. wouldn't move a muscle to help an individual, unless one sacrificed blood, sweat and tears.. hmm. 15 percent, or more.. of one's gross income required.. sounds like a "divine protection" racket now..

I still vote with "channeling" like as in with Arthur Ford and others.. to me it looks like the same activity.. just different terminology. Same scam. of course he would ARGUE that it was very different.. I've read advertisements which promise "results"- from a "unique" way to study witchcraft, the kaballah, spiritualism.. and if one substituted the words "bible", "pfal".. they read almost identically.. the specific beliefs apparently have no correlation in regards to the "results"..

it was.. it was.. *drumroll* the guy in the middle of the other photo wearing what looks like designer khaki's what I wonder is.. if the "women" in his life (rosie, donna..) told him it was a good idea.. I think he even masqueraded as Joshua once.. I dunno.. maybe she gets a kick out of running something that resembles to me, for lack of better words, a "looney bin". One could cast her as a pretty wicked looking nurse Ratched..

Provided for .. for the lack of better words.. "nutcases".. did he REALLY think he was Paul of Tarsus? Maybe he thought that was his "day job".. but- what the tithe really SHOULD HAVE provided for... a shave, and a half way decent haircut..

so... what does the tithe supposedly provide FOR? I know it is a few years old.. but don't they still take an anual trip to a warmer place in the world?

unless you live in a vacuum..

actually, you do..