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and.. very likely, *they* (or whoever runs the thing) will be ready for YOU.. you very well may find yourself facing a pure stranger who somehow suddenly knows quite a bit about you.. little personal things you may have related to your "friends" in class..

I'd straight up ask them about the lawsuits and prophecy fiasco.. and wouldn't accept how "we don't air our dirty laundry for Jesus' sake" or some such nonsense.. of course if they are merely "affililated" with stfi.. they might not even KNOW about any of this.. might end up just being merely a harmless bible fellowship.. But it might be a good history lesson.. very likely, unless they stray into relm of nose spiders and the really biazarre, you will witness practically exactly how a way fellowship was conducted in the seventies through the nineties, along with a demonstration of how da way taught and practiced tongues with interpretation and prophecy. They will EXPECT you to be dazzled.. I'd remember two words: love bombing..

I wonder what emboldened these MORONS to do something like that in front of a "witness".. maybe they thought I was too beat down to say or do anything about it.. well.. they were right, at the moment..

I personally witnessed three wives publically abused and humiliated.. back in the "good old days".. 1976. oh yeah.. the "men" were (supposedly) LEADERS.. one handpicked by the vicster himself.. (supposedly) a REVERAND.. the other two, handpicked by the guy the vicster chose..

If the profile is right, this guy was born in 1909.

interesting how they manufactured a god who was a bully, a grumpus.. wouldn't move a muscle to help an individual, unless one sacrificed blood, sweat and tears.. hmm. 15 percent, or more.. of one's gross income required.. sounds like a "divine protection" racket now..

I still vote with "channeling" like as in with Arthur Ford and others.. to me it looks like the same activity.. just different terminology. Same scam. of course he would ARGUE that it was very different.. I've read advertisements which promise "results"- from a "unique" way to study witchcraft, the kaballah, spiritualism.. and if one substituted the words "bible", "pfal".. they read almost identically.. the specific beliefs apparently have no correlation in regards to the "results"..

it was.. it was.. *drumroll* the guy in the middle of the other photo wearing what looks like designer khaki's what I wonder is.. if the "women" in his life (rosie, donna..) told him it was a good idea.. I think he even masqueraded as Joshua once.. I dunno.. maybe she gets a kick out of running something that resembles to me, for lack of better words, a "looney bin". One could cast her as a pretty wicked looking nurse Ratched..

Provided for .. for the lack of better words.. "nutcases".. did he REALLY think he was Paul of Tarsus? Maybe he thought that was his "day job".. but- what the tithe really SHOULD HAVE provided for... a shave, and a half way decent haircut..

so... what does the tithe supposedly provide FOR? I know it is a few years old.. but don't they still take an anual trip to a warmer place in the world?

unless you live in a vacuum..

actually, you do..

maybe what I'm trying to say.. you seem to confuse OPINIONS with VERDICTS. they really are not the same.. are opinions valuable? Yes. Are verdicts? I would say generally, yes.. but are OPINIONS and verdiicts.. are they supposed to be one and the same? generally- no. So a RESPONSIBLE individual.. takes what one is presented with.. and pursues truth.

If it makes any difference.. I'm more than glad he and offspring found a living with financial consultation and such.. I't's just.. there are a few "dead bodies" in the closet he's got to deal with. And I'm not going to chase him down to deal with it.. sorry.

unless.. you have something PERSONALLY involved here.. well.. just a thought.. well.. if you happen to see K*rt.. I'm sure he'd remember me with the few details I've given. I don't care to go through the CES (or STFI) hoops to contact him. West Virginia. Bluefield, 1976. There were not many of us there.. only three or four. I'm sure he can remember..

Maybe you don't "get it".. sheesh.. it's the INTERNET.. I mean.. we have Wiki's that ANYBODY in the whole WORLD can edit.. and you're looking for truth, justice, and the American Way ( excuse me.. whatever that is any more) here?? you find offense.. in an OPINIONATED forum.. sorry.. it just seems kind of.. Juvenile. a little forum, a little, itty bitty place.. out in the great expanse.. it just does not make a whole lot of sense to me..

and.. if you are really from Kansas.. please pass my greetings to K*rt. might remember me, or not.. I was just a fly on the wall during a lot of "crap"..

and.. don't take it as a compliment. Really.. It has to be really, really bad, before one gets this kind of sarcasm out of me.. God bless you brother..

The word to describe this.. it took some time.. but to me, it's JUVENILE.. sorry I'm so slow..

I would view it as a golden "opportunity".. if one has access to the lives of these (allegedly, in the "court" of public opinon judged as sycophants or worse) as to ask the HARD questions.. "what about the allegations of sexual misconduct".. abuse.. etc.. see.. I wouldn't exactly throw it all away.. simply because of the media it happens to present itself.. I would suggest.. because you claim to have kept up some kind of communication with the "accused".. that you are horrifically fearfull to ask the "hard questions".. maybe you can't even rationally consider the consequences of the answer..

It's like.. the claims "this is the INTERNET.. I won't BELIEVE (blindly) the claims of others.." isn't that kind of.. what can I call it.. not "immature".. what's the word I'm looking for.. maybe it's "obvious".. or "overstated"..

just a thought.. if at GS you find that vp, howard, et al are being "convicted" by public opinion.. why do you even care? I mean.. the site itself claims that opinions belong to those who present them.. um.. this includes opinions of jt.. walter, gear, and others.. offshoots.. it's like the Wiki's.. why can't one read what's written.. and take it with a grain of salt? While wikipedia often gives one point of collaboration.. some nice information.. I wouldn't use it for a documentable SOURCE for a RESEARCH PAPER.. but it does have some value. maybe it gives me a place to look.. or a motivation to look further.. or ask the "hard" questions..

the ONLY SINGLE friggin difference.. is the technology.. so they put "pfal" on streaming audio on the internet or something.. it's the SAME STINKING STUFF.. the only "exciting" thing is they have some new media to record it with.. nicer looking syllabi.. prettier looking fonts.. da way oughter get a clue.. put "legitimate" copies of pfal up on Ebay.. "oooh, oooh... I can download and put it on an Ipod.." OK. I think I'm done, for the moment..

Even the offshoots repackage it..

and they run the classes in the same rooms.. the same people.. everything is practically the same.. same "students".. fifty and sixty some year olds, who have had the same teaching in a more primitive package.. over thirty years ago.. it must be hard to act "excited" to hear the same junk repackaged fifty different ways..