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my emphasis. Note: NOBODY is on trial here. The right exists such that if, or when, they are before a judge and jury, that they will 1) be presumed innocent, and (2 is presented all the guarantees necessary for his defense. No. There is no trial here. Only public castigation. Now if one can find a law prohibiting public castigation of these flagrant scumbags, then maybe it's time to close shop.. see.. times have changed.. these psychos used to able to just go from village to village and set up a bunch of new marks.. now with the internet, people can compare notes. That's not so bad, is it? We are actually pretty civil here.. they used to run run snake oil salesmen out of town on a rail, form possees to round them up, and so on.. pretty brutal, once they caught up with them..

yep.. I think if one removes all of the legalease, the point he is trying to make is: nobody has the legal RIGHT to publically castigate a documented scumbag.. dead or alive. Do I understand this correctly? So, I can't scold little johnny for kicking the cat, or acting out in any other reprehensible manner.. or say something like "Capone was a psycho".. might damage his "good name" or something.. I can see why people look for motive in this. I mean.. if I went on a campaign to clear Capone's "good name".. demand proof by a jury verdict to prove every stinking ounce of booze, or heroin he sold.. or every hit he made.. I think people would either think there was something in it for me, or that I was just "nuts"..

On a personal level.. I think Walmart shoppers are going to hell.. but that's just me..

Yeah.. considering Walter has a degree in math.. I guess that says a lot..

honestly.. I wouldn't want to be measured by a golden yardstick.. if one demands it.. I guess they get what's coming..

I dunno.. maybe the "message" is.. GET OVER IT.. *WE* are not royals or anything, at least anymore.. you're looking for standards of gold.. applied to creatures not much different than swine.. well, it's a little thought..

I think you're on to something.. it's a con to the end.. on the other hand.. I loathe every single dispicible action or word that I can remember I rendered.. I hope the lord doesn't have the same words for me..

what I think terrifies you.. scumbuckets now have to answer to much a wider audience.. with much lower standards.. there goes the neighborhood.. maybe it's just evolution or something..

Sorry.. *they* aren't "royals" or anything nowadays.. even the ones on the top of the food chain.. they are all accountable..

in a "global" sense.. I don't think you know what the *%$# is going on.. in the meantime.. if you think it's your "calling" to save scumbags from public scathing.. have at it..

I hear they have cut roses for $1.07 on aisle three.. grown in the heart of India..

I dunno.. if I happened to be a resident next to a defunct "cult".. I'd be happy if they'd just stay quiet, in their compound..

Hey Galen.. really nice to see you here again.. long time no see.. :)

I think it comes down to.. they simply don't know how to do anything else. They will acknowledge, when it's convenient.. the abuse, the doctrinal error.. the practical error they were a part of in twi.. then turn around, and try to sell one the same set of stained goods, i.e. "da word, like it hasn't been known since the earth cooled".. just don't have any other occupation they are good at I guess..

WD.. do you shop at Walmart?

any spiritual principles from the bible I even half way value I never learned in twi.. if people value it.. Christ made his "bed" in hell. Didn't "renew his mind" out of it, or some such nonsense.. One of the psalms says something like.. if I make my bed in hell, thou (God) art there.. in twi, all that was in the "opposition" was the devil..

twi also had(has) a pecking order, maybe not of violence, but definitely intimidation. the "beatings" I know of in twi.. for the most part, were verbal.. and continued long after "initiation".. I think the acts of allegiance included well over tithing, witnessing and shunning life long friends and family.. but twi was worse. Once one's allegiance was verified, it was to be "renewed", over and over and over.. one never really could "belong". like "uncle" howie said.. what do you need a retirement account for..

give money? they'd mark and avoid the unemployed first.. unbelief and debils and all.. that's gotta be why they don't have a job..

the only thing I can see in all this.. being a "victim" disqualifies one from being a juror in the case the accused, or perpetrator is tried. Presumption of innocence is usually included in instructions to a JURY, if I'm not mistaken. if you're trying to drum up an impartial jury wd.. may I suggest, look in another place than Greasespot? I'm sure you can find a few. twi was a small, small speck on the map.. doubtless there are MILLIONS of people who never even heard of vic, loy.. rosie.. or even heard of the lawsuits against da "ministry".. all of this "confrontation" and all.. makes as much sense as putting the families and survivors of those whom capone murdered.. in a jury box, and trying to convince them they oughta give capone the benefit of the doubt..

I still want to know if they still do the tongues with interpetation or prophecy thingy.. and if the "custom tailor made" "messages" to that *unique* body sound hauntingly similar to what one heard in twig thirty years ago.. all with thee's and thou's.. or is it all "closet prophecy" now.. corner some poor slob off on his own, and rip out some kinda ambiguous "message" for his life..

Of course you know these *ungodly* criticisms just fall from them like beer off the back of a duck.. or something.. or is that.. like water off the back of a drunk duck.. or is it..

Yep. Most definitely showed their hand. well, I didn't even know what the paper was about, or that there even was a paper until I read it here, years later.. I didn't even know who j.s. even was.. or that he was "released" from employment.. or the extent of sexual indiscretions and worse..they were effective enough to keep a lot of this from rank and file, those who financially supported the "ministry". they weren't running a ministry.. they were running a house of (often forced) prostitution under religious pretense.. I wonder if I can get my money back..

the MESSAGE was.. "it's OK to boink herr manogawd, in his hour of *need*.." "all things (without exception) are purified with believing" "it's OK to lie, cheat and steal.." like a friend of mine in the old days.. his dad was smart.. he told him "sounds like you are using the bible to go to hell.."

the claim I referred to was the above claim. according to WAY THEOLOGY, neither vic, loy or others did no wrong. The proof? and as a matter of CHURCH ADMINISTRATION no less.. they labelled a guy POSSESSED, sent him out in the night.. threatened others to not read his "research" on pains of harboring the same "spirits" and following him out the door.. all from a word study on ADULTERY and FORNICATION. and for the most part.. twi "leadership" AGREED WITH him. They ADMITTED the "research" undercut vic's theology.. with this kind of track record.. I wouldn't believe the sun appears in the morning in the eastern sky based on da ways assertion.. they BENT scripture every which way with "dispensationalism" and the like to soften warnings against adultery, fornication, etc.. loy and crowd bent it from avoiding fornication and the like.. to being as a matter of THEOLOGY.. a "righteous thing" for another man's wife to "relieve" the "spiritual pressure" da manogawd was undergoing.. is this a "good reason" to assume da way's teachings are false? I think he makes a pretty good case..

they were so successful in burying j.s.'s little paper.. which though "accurate", could be described as a work that a high schooler could come up with.. that I didn't even know of its existence until twenty years later.. when I say high schooler.. it's "adultery 101".. even most grade schoolers would agree daddy shouldn't be sleeping with strange women.. no, the problem wasn't with the WHOLE ministry.. just those who ran it.. and I'm starting to think it was closer to the 97 percent level of those in "authority" being the very cause of all of this..