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I've met some like that in real life.. honestly.. it's almost.. if not beyond, eerie.. almost like they've woken up from a slumber, that began in 1975 or so.. almost scary. Still living in "da way, it was.." I don't know how to describe it.. "funny" or "troubling".. perhaps a mixture of the two..

actually.. that's just about the picture I've got in my head.. I tend to try to figure people out. I'll digest what they say for a while.. then as in this instance, only two possible scenarios explain it satisfactorily to me.. I wonder how many more twi "sleepers" there are..

honestly.. some of the comments and such I've seen with such a "legal" flavor.. if I'm not mistaken, this is my take on it.. the originator seems to be some kind of "sleeper" spy or something.. put in cold storage by herr vicster in the event that someday, some victim might have the "audacity" to break open his lock-box, to bring CONSEQUENCES (grilling for every documentation for every grisley detail) for opening said lock box with accusations that the person is just overstating the situation, or mistaken, or just plain lying.. but I could be wrong. I have a pretty vivid imagination.. it could be just as simple as one holds a warehouse of the now dead adulterous ravenous pig's materials, and can't sell them until the heat's off.. then again, I could be wrong. But these are the only two scenarios that make any real sense to me at the time..

at least one can't describe it as "boring". generally.. the schoolyard bully comment is fitting, but I think it describes bullying with a quasi-legal flavor to it.. corporations can exhibit that kind of behavior. Like the old RCA corporation and Armstrong. he lost simply because RCA had deeper pockets, and more lawyers and motions in courts than he could even dream of keeping up with.. but this is not a court here. At least last I checked.. I don't see a problem with having a different experience in twi.. not everyone went wow, or corps, were publically berated, or were drugged and raped, or the like.. "wow, that wasn't MY experience.." now, if one said their piece, and just left it at that..

Witness: *and that's when the scumbag..* Defense: *your HONOR. I OBJECT. Assumes facts not in evidence..* Prosecution: *we have already established your client is a dirtbag. Your honor, what is substantially different here?* Defense: *Your honor.. I assure you, there is a substantial difference between these OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS... besides, my client isn't convicted, yet..* maybe the "defense" has delusions or something.. there is no prosecution, no judge.. we're not even in a courthouse.. maybe he's walking around just talking to himself..

I don't think that's entirely it. I don't think there's a problem with a pro-twi posting, as long a certain people aren't so intensely obnoxious about it.. to me, it's the eternal bickering, eternal lawyering.. eternal quest to exonerate the scumbags.. lying in wait for a poster to make a small factual error.. then to blow a little matter completely out of proportion with demands of following rules of evidence, documentation, etc. etc. etc.. in short, "lawyering" any personal account into a dark deep hole.. and conveniently ignoring fully documented corroborating evidence and the like.. and it goes on, and on, and on.. if twi wants a lawyer here, I'm sure they will send one.. I think some posters just watched too much Perry Mason.. there the "accused" is NEVER the real perpetrator.. at the end of the show, even with overwhelming odds.. da lawyer pulls some judicial wabbit out of the hat.. and his client is fully exonerated, the apposing legal team slinks away in embarrassment and dishonor.. somehow, I don't think that's going to happen here..

Its over only when HE says it's over.. Hmm. well, it's been what.... almost eight weeks. Maybe he forgot to put a zero on the end of that prediction..

hmm.. maybe they got rid of it on an uncle harry day.. my name is (or was) in that little book in the auditorium listing contributors as well..

what suprises me.. is that they haven't tried to sell their old mailing list to offshoots..

So.. I hope her "royalness" "enjoyed" another day.. had to be in the "company" of other like her.. " hey.. happy birthday.. hope you had another one.. just like ours.." I'd play the Beatles Birthdday song for you, but loy probably told them it was possessed or something.. well.. happy birthday, anyway..

sorry you think it's a mistake.. we are what we are, friend.. :) Peace..

thanks friend.. :)

what I've observed among some of these offshoot "leaders".. not all, but several.. they seem to want to live an upper middle class lifestyle with less than high school qualifications.. almost like it's an entitlement or something..

and these guys think they are actually doing people a FAVOR opening up another shop, and just leaving the old baggage behind? sorry.. it's just not that easy.. do they REALLY think they can circumvent a real *show* of public repentance and HARD WORK? Or do they think just "moving da word" "covers" a multitude of sins? Yeah.. that's it. That makes everything *OK*.. I guess.

and from reading his little bio on his site, I would have to come to the same conclusion.. now.. I'm not "da man with a *ministry* " here.. I'm not trying to sell anything.. not looking for followers, people to send tapes or cds to, take my classes, etc. etc.. why shoud *I* have to chase HIM down? wouldn't one think that "da man with a *ministry*" would not want to leave that kind of doubt in people's minds? I mean.. it's not MY reputation here..

at least SOME people in the world are consistent..

Anybody who is thankful to the "founder" of a religion.. a false prophet at the best, abusive, alcoholic sex maniac and false prophet at the worst.. even today.. words can't describe my contempt here..

I don't say this lightly.. but.. didn't he end up succumbing to the same disease as pa?

what a good point..

his WEBSITE seems too general. "I was part of the problem.." as in? there is at least one documented fallacy in that statement.. can you spot it? the other possibly is "I don't think I would have lived to see thirty".. I think maybe more "accurately".. "I was CONVINCED that without herr vicster's and ministry's 'goodness' I woudn't have lived to see thirty".. who convinced him? It was a tired old story floating around.. even the character who introduced me to the ministry made the same claim. Of course, he wasn't near thirty at the time.. but like you said.. "vincy" didn't PERSONALLY do me any wrong.. these are just my impressions, after perusing his internet site.. and adding Juedes comments, and others.. just from my own opinion and reflection.. I'd say he never really "came clean" as to his involvement and the ramifications of his involvement in da way..

I'm not entirely impressed with the "I was part of the problem" admission.. that was after pressure from Juedes, and others.. what in God's name, are you NOW doing any different? Just take vic's old jalopy.. paint it another shade of off color green? it's just a little question. Embroiled once again, in a fringe, unacredited "college", organization.. of sorts. It didn't "work" the first time around.. what technically is really different?

all of this "discussion" doesn't change much of the facts though.. we have an (apparently) recalcitrant, unrepentant vp bootlicker who, in lieu of "straightening things out" (as if they even could be..) just moving on to another flock.. I'd LIKE to believe different.. but the facts don't quite bear that out..

I can't imagine anybody selling his "work".. even posthumously.. I'd imagine.. if the lord came back, the red faced person in "possession" of this stolen merchandise.. "*ahem*.. really *officer*.. I was just holding it... yeah, that was it.. I was just holding it for a *friend*.. besides, its all the same color and all.."

maybe the only "original" thing he did.. make sure he spray painted it with cheap paint, all the same color.. that gawd awful green.. must have bought it by the ton.. they still use it, on their website..

So in essence.. he ran a "bible" chop shop.. instead of a transmission from a 47 chevy, a radiator from a 52 ford.. it was a class in 1952 or so in canada.. bible "helps" from a guy long dead.. oh yeah.. the product is an "original" alright..