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so.. why drag the YOUNG MAN into all of this? He probably doesn't have a clue of who the fox is, or linder.. obviously doesn't have a stinking clue what gramps really was, when he wasn't onstage.. the blood is on your heads, suckers..

Yeah.. that kind of treatment was typical of the conditions of the times leading to his expulsion.. now, why would want to regain control over a system that affords the same kind of abuse? The "young man".. I feel more pity for him.. they had a real treasure of sorts.. A lot of this is just politics and human nature.. you'd think they'd have grown above it.. maybe that's asking too much.. If I lived, to see rosies head on a stck.. and I really think this is the attitude here.. wouldn't it be pathetic? Alive, at least she's still worth a laugh..

I don't think that was my comment though Socks.. I had quite a few other ones, however.. I went to the horses mouth first. I don't think I'd call him a "punk" for stepping into grandaddy's shoes.. I think I've outlined a few descriptions as pathetic.. conned, suckered, taken advantage of.. hustled.. mainly for his name, and by whom? 1. By an aging, self-deceived (in my honest opinion) for lack of better words.. maybe I'm not educated enough yet.. "nutcase" whose prior mission in life was to trespass on some kind of sacred gravesite known as "the way".. no, no self agrandizement "adopting" young vicster II to further the "mission" now, would there be?. 2. Pa. For crying out loud.. wasn't he WELL AWARE of the abuses and conditions that prevailed and even eventually led to his ejection from the ancestral land? And his kind of "revenge" is to take it back through the name of his own offspring? The words and contempt I have for this, I will not say here.. I know far more than they think.. every last bit of "spiritual" itch and intuition I've had has been more than abundantly confirmed.. three salvos of emails, and I get the same arrogance as I'd expect from gramps.. the "young man" should be in grad school.. he's apparently "brilliant".. and somehow, they've conned him into thinking this little camp adventure is some kind of "professional" development.. the "school" he came from is likely enraged that I didn't take up these issues with them.. tough cookies.. you made him, let's see you clean it all up..

Actually, I think it is a valid point here.. purges.. corporate restructuring of sorts with sycophants unremovable on top, more purges.. and "witness to people only if they have teeth" and such? makes perfect sense.. it's a regular cycling of people through a vicious system.. and they have to keep the inlet looking as attractive as possible. "no needs in da way.." I really think all of the "reasons" given were more just excuses.. to put people out who might be weak, *homo*.. or whatever. Just excuses to thin the ranks.. and still try to keep (hopefully.. but not likely in a thousand years) "Hollywood star" types coming in the door.. You only need one of *them*.. or a small handful to really kick off your organization.. in contrast to trying to really help those who have supposed legitimate need..

kinda convenient wouldn't you think? But don't dare touch their "righteousness".. that comes from the other invisible hand..

not to mention, its "good looks" as well..

Oh.. yeah. Might start asking a couple of real questions or something..

the last rock of ages I remember.. was it then? Dunno.. but the coffee. Whoever was in "the know" claimed it was some fancy hoity schmoity German stuff.. probably the fact that the packages holding the coffee for the machine being made in Germany in the sixties was closer to reality.. after two days, I knew I was scammed.. it was DECAF..

only if you"renew your mind" sufficiently..

I think they are too old for *that* to work, anyway.. Maybe that's what the organization needs.. some *spiritual* viagra or something..

My most bizarre experience was when the local bigwig decided we needed to go door to door and sing Christmas carols.. a couple of them had wayspeak "corrections" applied to them.. surreal.. we don't believe in Christmas.. but then we believe in Christmas.. of sorts..

I really think.. some of those who were damaged the most were those who were allegedly physically healed by "doc" vic's "ministry".. it wasn't "gifts" of healing or healings..they've paid, and paid, and paid again.. tell me if I'm mistaken..

I'm glad you appreciate that.. :)

so.. what's the consensus.. or conclusion here? let me say this *nicely* as I possibly can.. You've had your.. what would I call it.. kumbaya moment, around the camp fire.. what about the rest of us? (or more specifically, me..) I'm left with the image of a God who will heal and love unconditionally.. on one hand.. and then on the other hand, turn around and abuse, rape and pillage.. I laugh.. because that's all I can do. it's far beyond any kind of logic, or logical conclusion I have any possibility of arriving at... and mr. socksie thought I was just making fun of Linda.. it's just a tad bit more than that.. but don't worry.. my spirituality does not depend on you.

da way needs to do something to get them back.. gotta keep up with the neighbours.. maybe they need to put out better feed.. maybe they don't like the stench of loy's materials..

I hear the spirits are migrating by droves to surround a little known, insignificant farm in rural Mississippi..

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.. it was more than that I believe.. around here, I know people who were kicked out.. not because they HAD said problems, but simply because they had the potential of developing them.. they were as loyal as the winter is long in Michigan.. did the "trustees" really BELIEVE loy's madness? And staff. especially rosie, did she sincerely believe the insane mandates, or did she go along for corporate reasons? No matter how one looks at it.. it was systematic.. 1. Remove any high end staff who would not knee jerk at loy's request.. 2. remove those who would not completely comply.. 3. and when it came to the local scene.. a duplication of 1 and 2, but remove those who: a. presented a possible threat b. were a liability (sick, nuts, etc) c. those who could POSSIBLY turn into said liability or threat.. d. those who they.. just could not figure out.. at least that's my perception..

at the best.. I feel *they* built an organization on the backs of individuals whom they could not REALLY trust.. that includes me.

so.. what is the financial cost of a background check? I think it starts at fifty bucks.. and it only works for the most part if the volunteer isn't giving you an alias.. figure.. maybe at the most. five to ten thousand volunteers in the organization.. how else can they describe twiggies and such? It's a non profit organization.. supposed to provide some kind of service..and there are no members.. just "volunteers".. I really don't think they felt they were obligated to pay the bill.. maybe there were insurance requirements.. who knows.. that's why I started this thread.. somebody knows more than me I'm sure..

Yes.. I agree entirely.. that was the reason given.. but I think the motive was far more "secular".. or at least I am exploring that explanation.. it makes far more sense to me at the moment..

twi has followed the austerity cries of the rest of corporate america.. and it is PURELY "senses knowledge".. now I think they have followed the path of volunteer organizations.. I BET they perform background checks of possible marks (ahem, volunteers) nowadays.. to do so, with an existing organization of thousands of marks (ahem.. volunteers) would prove to be an administrative nightmare.. just a few thoughts..

I was looking at a FEMA course.. actually several the last couple of weeks. one of the statements stood out to me. It was in a course about developing a volunteer organization. "How to avoid litigation?" The answer was.. "train your volunteers WELL.." that's about the only chance a volunteer organization has..

dont' knock it too much.. sometimes that's all I've got.. kinda pathetic though.. over twenty some years involvement with "da WORD as it hath not been known since the earth cooled".. and that's about all I've got..

Right.. I agree. But I am considering that the motives for the "directives" from upper "leadership" to do so, were purely administrational.. purely "business".. they'd already had at least one (or more) *ministers" on charges for various nasty acts.. you'd think they would have known before it even happened.. so much for "discerning of spirits" or something..