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I agree.. its the same.. same as the old "ministry" in every manner.. including the dodging and secrecy of those on top.. so they sit comfy with diligently and precisely split hardwood fire in their fireplaces.. and send child warriors out on missions like this.. technically, he's probably doing exactly as they "trained" him..

but he's confused.. would he go through the program again? Noooo.. did he like the "rules"..? Noooo.. as bad as this sounds.. I think the parents couldn't figure out any other place for him to go.. he seems to have a good work ethic and all.. I wonder who really is calling the shots in all of this.. is he back on the parents farm.. seventy hours of work a week? too many questions.. too few answers..

Wasn't that the "sin" of Achan? just a thought.. and this goes to another question.. is one "encouraged" by the "modern" organization to remember der way in the will? To give the money to those who supposedly have a greater purpose for it, instead of "thankless" children who need an education and such? I always thought "dr's" dream of including herr way in the will as a rather morbid concept as well..

I'm surprised, just because somebody stuck their head up out of that nasty old hole.. or whatever it is there.. just the wrong person. I prefer someone supposedly "in charge".. and I'd be polite, as long as I wasn't handed a big line of bull sheet..

Yep. And the only difference between this little "adventure" and the subject of the link.. the sowers guys carry bibles, not ak-47's. I think that could change in a heartbeat.. but to name a kid after a less than admirable character.. raise him to think he's some kind of messiah.. destined to "resurrect" da word and all.. how many false prophecies went on before him.. really, it is no less than child abuse.. in my opinion. I hold the "elders" at lower regard than him, at the moment.. I think they are despicable..

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,970386,00.html

so, what are you supposed to do in the mean time? Camp on their doorstep or front yard, like a vulture?

while we are on questions.. Were you taught that the holocaust never happened, or if it did, it was "greatly exaggerated"? Were readings from the Myth of the six million part of sowers teaching? How about a certain reverence toward fred leuchter's "scientific" "findings"? Did you agree with what was stated or have serious doubts about it? What does "leadership" think of our current president? just toss these little questions in the pot with the rest of them..

I'll say this.. you have a rough row to hoe.. infinitely harder than the one I had as a WOW.. *good luck*.. heh

So what are you REALLY producing.. child warriors.. they look innocent and all. But they are vacuous souls..

Perhaps this explains everything.. looking for.. kids under twenty five years old.. why? You have no use for older, experienced individuals? maybe you are "witnessing"? I know some kids under twenty five.. you can't have them.. sowey.. they are smarter than the average "witnesser".. even without my personal influence.. Most "kids" under twenty five still have all of their teeth.. is that it? you've learned your master's lessons, well.. I know one of them.. who abandoned your kind of nonsense.. and found the Roman Catholic faith more palatable, than what you have to offer..

Ah yes.. "present (I'm still in da dumb *ministry*) *truth* and all.. I hope you get a favourable "out" soon, friend.. Old Wayfers don't *die*.. they just fade away..

Perhaps.. but maybe the not so smart make a lot of bad purchases along the way.. death by bad shopping..

hasn't been my experience. Maybe I'm butt ugly or something, and just don't know it..

No problem.. my threads are usually semi-organized chaos anyway..

And.. when the sowers weren't being "good".. what if any was the punishment? Group scream fests? More "fun runs"? Humiliation? Worse?

Congratulations. Well, its too late to edit the poll. Are you going for a degree?

and a related question for the hopper.. have you seen staff "go crazy" on anybody? Is there any correlation between the answer to this question and the last one?

I believe they think its a banquet they're putting on over there.. but its like putting on a "feast" of small rodent type of meat.. you need far more than one small rodent to make a meal for even one.. need at least a dozen to make a pan full..

while we are on questions.. here's another to place in the queue.. How much alcohol does "staff" consume? i.e. those in *charge*.. the "elders".. Anybody in their right mind shouldn't have a problem figuring out this is not an "ignorant or unlearned" question.. I think the reason I see no answers is because they will only lead to harder questions. and you think it isn't any of my business to enquire, bub? who's is it supposed to be? The "participants" of the program? You've already elevated yourself to godhood with regards to them..

I thought he WAS superman..

So four graduated.. I thought they started with six or eight. What happened, bub? What was the nature of their departure? I'll make it easy. No essay questions. We'll try multiple choice.. 1. left voluntarily. 2. kicked out by "staff". 3. voted off by the rest of the group 4. died. You may choose more than one selection.

I mean.. if you're talking about a "caring, great man(?)".. some people use the same description for David Duke..

and when they crawl out of the huts or tents (description due to lack of response to earlier question) in the early spring, will they proudly proclaim that herr mini-itty-bitty mogster saved them from yet another conspiratorial government takeover? Worked for vic I.. at least two times.. another question.. did the "extreme" training ever involve some kind of extended "firearm safety" course? and of the four "graduates" of the program.. would you shoot on sight any advancing "hordes" to protect the honor of the "great manogawds" hill of turnips, potatoes and other stored goods? with the "training" and "keeping the troops in line" with austere rules, this whole scenario makes perfect sense to me..

I think they are "holed up" waiting for the end of the world so to speak.. fearful of being "overrun" by the new world order or something.. makes sense. Start a program, get free labor to work a farm.. its likely a tax exempt status outfit now. No taxes.. a warmer part of the u.s... little or no utility costs.. what did they do with the produce, if any? Socked it away for a hard winter? This is (unanswered) question one of many.. The next (likely left unanswered) question.. how many firearms and ammunition do you have on hand? just a few innocent questions.. :)