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Now now. I plan on playing nice..

Yep.. these kids don't need a fat farm. But that appears to be what they are on.. Pudgy, overweight "staff" might benefit more from the program.. half a year manually pulling stumps and splitting firewood should just about do it..

Hmm. Could it also be, the scam has just run its course? The *wonderful* class was filmed in say, 1967.. and the students age today are in their fifties and sixties, and for the most part, they can't point to one solid substantial benefit, or positive difference it made. They enjoy no better health than the general populace.. no real difference in terms of prosperity. Maybe that's why they put the screws to the old timers.. hang around long enough, and you're just an embarrassment..

and the kid who apparently runs this thing.. I think he is just as inept and unprepared. I don't think he had a clue of what the "elders" were dragging him into.. so they want to know what kind of reception they will get in the "world".. I think they found out. There will be many, many questions. "Oh.. that's nice. Who is your group affiliated with.." Oh, nobody in particular.. "who did you say is on staff?" well, there's me.. "They were trained by who?" oh, just spent a few years in a work study program on a farm in Ohio..

You would think. and its supposed to be an "honors" program, at that.. the "best of the best" and all..high achievers.

I would not badger him either.. I'd start all over again, calmly with the original set of questions.. what are you doing that's any different from the old ministry? Are you aware of the abuse that occurred in a "send them home any time you feel like it for whatever reason" environment? Who is on "staff"? What exactly are their qualifications? What kind of safeguards are put in place to protect the "students" from the "teachers"? Then we can proceed to a few other questions.. there's quite a log jam.. what is the sleep schedule for the "participants".. how about food? Is the menu good, or is it near to way corps standards of starvation? Do you REALLY think you are a "great man of God"? If so, why? If not, why do you let your pledgelings refer to you in an inappropriate manner? Do you require the trainees to sign a hold-harmless statement? well.. I don't think the questions are really that hard.. and my questions are not directed to the new "graduate".. but to the ones that are supposedly running the thing..

That was the first post. About two months after I requested information. So that makes it going on about two years.. no real information. One guys shows up and says he'll answer questions, as long as they aren't too hard.. and then slips away into the night.

Maybe they are waiting for the right kind of offer. Some offshoots think every word in it drips gold. da way could retain ownership.. and just sell limited "publishing" rights of sorts.. I'm almost surprised they haven't advertised it on ebay.. but then about ninety five percent of those in offshoots are grads anyway. Legally, they could not be charged again.. maybe that's it. There's just no money in it any more.. there are probably enough illegal copies floating around, that those who wanted one bad enough probably already has one. But I'll admit, it is odd.. where else is the "greatest work" of the "founder" of a group buried like this? look at the scientologists.. it would be like boxing and locking up dianetics and all..

about 23 or so.. best I know at the moment.. not married.. no family, no kids to support.. at least that I know of..

so.. "fearless leader".. do you have any suggestions? do we do some kind of "hundred man" march on New Knoxville? I know.. I do what I can here.. as you.. so how do we REALLY put "the boots" to "them"? The offshoots are far more disturbing in my opinion.. well.. call it "job security"..

does this qualify?

and whoever anonymous member marked down the last post.. lets look at a few facts and reality here.. the numbnuts down south failed to "get a life".. perhaps one or more did..but what happened? Now their little camping "adventure" is cloaked in darkness.. why? It wouldn't survive the light of day.. feel free to disagree all you want..

Yep.. I couldn't have said it better.. You'd think they'd just go get a life, and be satisfied with it.. but nooooo...

Doojable brought this up in another thread. I thought it might apply here.. This is the complete quiz. http://www.factnet.org/cults/Toxic_Faith/index.html Might make a good assessment for those who exit your little "program".. or is it you don't care..

I think most offshoots score at least four out of five here.. I'd like to see the four sowers "graduates" give a report.

And after the "division".. we've spent one lifetime after another trying to acheive some kind of balance or equilibrium.. councils.. rules, standards.. I wonder if god would have even considered this to begin with.. if He knew of the red tape involved..

I have a few thoughts.. Jesus is a larger fragment of Diety, since the "great divide".. say.. something like 17 percent. God himself reserved or is about 71 percent. and then there are an uncountable number of fragments, which constitute "us". are they or even we, "one"? I think they, and we were.. from what I've read, some kabballists seem to think part of God died to give birth to creation..I don't think that's exactly what happened.. I think He chose to diversify himself.. for whatever reason.. maybe being "god" is boring.. the Hindus have some thoughts about Brahma.. he was one at one time.. Why can't a Father and son live in the same person.. my father (earthly by *way* terms) lives in me..

If they send me one I'll frame it.. who's sending them? Headquarters, Limbs, local "twigs"? considering waygb and all, they probably have my address.. I'm not entirely anonymous here.. maybe they want to trim up their mailing list.. is that it? But I didn't think they really mailed anything to the "regular" rank and file.. cost cutting ya know. Have to save money for something more useful, like giving rosie's cats a perm, or something..

Are they actually sending these notices out? Wouldn't suprise me.. "we're still here, and we'll give you another chance to give us money.."

Old Chionese proverb: Egg Foo yung left out overnight is egg foo old.

Nothing like the benefits of group-think..

but he would not have or need one. He was "believing" and all.. "loan you a gas can? Naw.. don't have one to loan. Here, you can buy this one.. just fifty bucks.."

True.. but unlike the "biblical admonition" some of us did not have to "work".. what does a "manogawd" have to do when he isn't otherwise yelling, preaching da word and such.. not much, I guess..