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True.. I'm just thinking, where is the motivation? I believe back in "the day".. "trustees" along with an adoring audience, had motorcoach "privileges".. and more. "Love offerings" above and beyond "abundant sharing" from the "household".. he WAS old enough, and out of the system long enough to figure out pa's carryings on were not exactly the standards of a "great manogawd".. you would think at least. who knows.. maybe at first he thought he could change things. From what I understand, he for the most part succumbed. It is horrifying to think, someone would spend years building professional relationships and a career, to abandon it to go back to da way. Or to drop everything to go back staff on an offshoot. Find it hard, bub? Think three or four years of "professional development" should give you the respect and employment that fifteen years on staff by-passed? I guess it is "easier".. far less work, far less personal development, far less accountability. You've practically got a captive audience.. I suppose there is a certain amount of "security" in it. Far less of a "frightening" "uncontrolled" situation. Wayfers for the most part were taught they had the power to control everything.. money, the weather, health.. Just to me.. its almost the same thing as quitting one's career in finance, and going back to live with dad and mom.. Erkjohn, so you know, you are not the "bub" I am referring to. :)

I'd like to see them try going to grad school at 52 years old.. majoring in something other than aroma therapy or something, that is.. try Real Analysis.. no, you didn't get even half a clue what was coming from the little undergrad intro to real analysis course.. a kid less than half my age gave up.. so one looks at one's options.. try going the *hard* way.. and there are NO GUARANTEES of success.. or.. hmm. what does one do..

I don't think that was entirely it.. with money for nuttin and chicks for free.. I mean, how does one turn down that kind of *offer*? I think the vicster was merely calling the kettle black.. vic was as much if not more the spineless coward.. despite his *great* public persona, I would call him a feeble hearted bastard. Couldn't turn down the *perks* the position had to offer.. my opinion.. son could never live up to what pa thought the man pa ought to be.. make sense? Or am I just rambling..

probably because of the nasal southern monotone drawl that just forces them to sleep providing she even gives long speeches anymore.. *removes scowl from face, replaces with limp smile* *drooling at microphone* *aheeeem.. gawwwwwwwwd bless your lil ol hawts in da name of da lawwwwwd.. your rememmmmber how dock ta viener ville tawwwt us.." I dunno. Perhaps she is a fungus on the body of christ's.. whatever. I'm being kind and measured with my words here..

did you consider another possibility? As in.. things *perhaps* got a little better after the loyster was gently put out on the curb? No loy, no manogawdish "need" for a constant stream of women procured by "staff" and all.. the rest of the *men* shaking in their boots.. did you ever ask ms(?) rivenbark why it took a LAWSUIT naming her as a defendant, before running loy out of town, so to speak?

while we insist on talking everything "rosie"..I still have't seen *ms?* riven barkey's pimpish and organizational ladder climbing tendencies addressed here.. I dunno.. what more do people need? Does she need to show up for a sunday night service dressed in a red suit, wearing horns before people finally decide to flee?

and I'd add.. *she* hasn't exactly "reached out" to "heal" anyone here, has she? if you are a "healer".. lessee what you've got.. I wonder if *ms* rivenbark still refers to the old poop as "dr."..

That's the whole point, isn't it? She LOVES her POSITION. Probably worships it every morning.. Position, money, prestige.. isn't that kinda like.. mammon? the last picture they publicized of her.. its somewhere on the main page. I see a striking resemblence on her lips to the vicster's arse.. she's PAID for the position.. by gawd, even loy isn't going to stand in her way..

asides some extreme, bizarre psychological conditioning.. the only reason I'd see anybody slide back were if they were in a worse circumstance than der vey to begin with..

what is "very long"? the vicster's class (36 hours) was more than long enough..

too bad they don't quote that to themselves.. you know, rosie, ramona.. loy.. enabling sexual assault, performing sexual assault on employees.. recruting victims for said offences. I wonder if they really believe these words.. they didn't pay.. they just hid themselves under a pile of money. Who paid to get these sycophants off the hook? Was it on their own dime? I think not..

well.. if one can't squirrelize a thread, what good is it? I will try to stay on topic.. but any time I hear the themes like "abundance".. "sufficiency" it kinda makes me think fiscally, herr vey had a bad year.. what do they really NEED the money for? Perhaps they anticpate a few more law suits? I can hear phrases like "you can't out-give God" and the like. So many ambiguous statements. What do they mean? You can't outgive the supposed blessings a person is supposed to receive? Or is it a mere statement of fact? Or maybe its just a litte bit of guilt ridden prompting, that if He sacrificed so much, maybe the wayfer should not complain so much..

sheesh.. I dunno.. somebody has to know something..

well.. is *she*.. or isn't *she*.. sometimes.. only the hair dresser knows..

so.. does anyone know rosie's hair dresser? Maybe one could ask..

no, no, no. The Devil is in the details as they say, or is it the lack of them... Political correctness (cursed be it) causes me to refrain to refer to what rosie was somehow forced to "grab"..

*they* say *she(?)* had children.. but sorry, I haven't met or seen them so as to evaluate the statement. 1. Do they remotely even resemble *her(?)*..? 2. Is there anyone who can attest to the facts surrounding said birth? Maybe they are unclaimed lost children from Kenya? I dunno.. if *she* seems to promote some kind of *feminine*.. *kindler and gentler* traits to da way it is.. I just haven't seen it.. as it is.. I think *she* appears more "on the books" as being "Loy II, the dreadful".. OK.. Bolshevik.. I'm either getting tired, or drunk.. maybe you need to take this over..

hmm... so we have a non-american, assuming the presidency of a non-descript, second rate American (though America denies any responsibility) corporation..

if someone would post a bona fide birth certificate here, it would remove all doubt..

I'm sorry.. but I'm not.. what really is the difference between a "positive" cult.. and a negative, languishing one.. only one answer comes to my feeble mind.. a *Charismatic* "leader(?)".. if *she* chooses to post here, and address the *issues*.. I will be kind.. what *she* does not yet understand.. we OWN *her*.. at least until *she* steps down, and returns all special favors to the *household* from which they came.. at least in my observation..

just wonder.. what in God's name has *she* (well.. if she really is a she..) done to address the *issues* of those her predecessor psychologically damaged, and cast out as "compromised" "possessed" or "worthless"? if she (if that is the case) is really *all that*.. I just don't see where she(?) is living up to the challenge, so to speak.. Maybe she(?) needs to post a newer picture on Greasespot. The old pictures don't exactly "do her(?) good".. I hope somebody understands this rambling..

well, its one way to learn, I guess.. but this character is all over the place.. a little bit on set theory, a tiny bit on lebesque measure, back in sigma algebras.. I'm getting it and all.. I just don't think that is happening fast enough.. I'm glad HE knows real analysis like the back of his hand and all.. at this point.. I will hang in there until either I pass, or they ask me to leave.. there's quite a few others I know who feel the same..

hmm. Then some of them stayed stoned out of their gourd, and still made something of their lives.. then there were those who just stayed stoned out of their gourd.. kinda like lifers in da way in leadership or something.. no skills.. no real self-improvement or anything.. same kind of character, just a different drug of sorts..

Hmm. A great trip, for whom? it was a great trip if you happened to be mog.. money for nuttin.. chicks for free.. Now a great trip.. would have been a trip across the country with Kesey. I was only thirteen at the time.. but if the bus rolled up, ma would have had me by the ear.. "where do you think YOU are going, young man?" From what I read, it wasn't too bad a trip. People generally eventually sobered up after a while, and made something of their lives..

not really. At this point.. considering the "effectiveness" of twi doctrine, I kinda hold these "truths" to be rather trivial.. providing they are indeed "true"..