Ham

I think for all that money, all they got to show for it was a gold plated turd..

I'd add.. was she WORTH what twi paid? Kinda over-priced, if you ask me.. its another case of *your* abs at work. What did it buy.. well, it bought a cushy job (apparently) for life, and immunity from CRIMINAL prosecution for this kind of filth.. to sit free, on top of the organization.. every whim (or possible lust) satisfied.. I could think of far better uses for several million dollars..

hmm.. adept in lying.. must be one of the new "qualifications" for "leadership" in the church or something.. I must have missed it somewhere.. The ONLY reason she still has a job- MONEY. How many millions did the organization sacrifice to settle the little All*n court case? Money- lawyers- and she had the organizations blind backing. As an organization, I don't think they would have survived the trial. Then there was talk about criminal negligence and such.. and what did the money buy? Practically- it bought them "another day".. and kept a group intact where business could run as USUAL.. I wonder how many staff and "participants" still don't know about these accounts.. They made their intentions well known with the a**ens. Put up with sexual harrasment and/or *rape* as condition of employment, or we will list you mark and avoid, label you as possessed and send you off packing in the middle of the night.. that is the reality of the situation. Then came the lawyers.. Personally, it is hard for me to even imagine someone can be that evil.. but the facts bear it out.

Maybe loy and she were married in a previous life. Looking at both of them together, they kinda look like Ahab and Jezebel, do they not?

and part of *your* *abundant sharing* pays for her salary. Healer of the *ministry*? So far it seems her skill set is limited to being able to pick out targets for the lawyers..

interesting that the queen of Filth who let this *little* matter happen on her watch still reigns over the organization.. same "board member" whose solitary vote sends lawyers screaming at churches and organizations with the slightest resemblance to their precious name..

I wonder who the "many people" happen to actually be..

And I wonder how much of these *little* benefits are reported to the irs.. after working over a few more important jobs, if I were an irs agent, I'd take a close look at the books of a few of the larger (and smaller) offshoots..

hmm. "where's the library".. reminds me of what in my first real hourly job.. that's what they called the bathroom. Had lots of books for reading, during longer visits of sorts..

*Let my people go..* *and who shall go?* *we shall go, with our bikes and wowmobiles, our flocks and herds, our brains and other acquired appendages..*

I'd almost swear the guy on the left is humming to the tune.. *Beautiful Ohio, where the golden brain...*

Hmmmmmm. I wonder if.. anybody's considered strapping one of those big speakers on top of a car, or van. SLOOOOWLY drive down wienerville road, about 6 or 7AM.. playing "beautiful Ohio". The music, the broken down auditorium, trailer park..weed infested fields.. you get the idea.. makes me wonder what way "security" is really protecting from the locals.. and like a scene out of Night of the Living Dead.. zombies, ahem, staffers slowly rise, and erratically make their way through weed infested fields, and oil spattered parking lots to *work* in the auditorium, the osc.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ * For Sale: Sierpinski Carpets and Gaskets, cheap... *

for others, it provided a path to lack of developing a career, a path to abuse and worse.. the corps for the most part were considered the "cream of the crop". Where did they come from, off the street? did the vicster advertise in the local paper, "wanted. Young men and women for *christian* training *program*. Three years of work/*study(?)* followed by a lifetime of christian servitude. Taking applications now."? no. They were people who supposedly had some kind of *natural* leadership ability. Something *special* to *develop*. They "grew up" in twig.

True.. I'm just thinking, where is the motivation? I believe back in "the day".. "trustees" along with an adoring audience, had motorcoach "privileges".. and more. "Love offerings" above and beyond "abundant sharing" from the "household".. he WAS old enough, and out of the system long enough to figure out pa's carryings on were not exactly the standards of a "great manogawd".. you would think at least. who knows.. maybe at first he thought he could change things. From what I understand, he for the most part succumbed. It is horrifying to think, someone would spend years building professional relationships and a career, to abandon it to go back to da way. Or to drop everything to go back staff on an offshoot. Find it hard, bub? Think three or four years of "professional development" should give you the respect and employment that fifteen years on staff by-passed? I guess it is "easier".. far less work, far less personal development, far less accountability. You've practically got a captive audience.. I suppose there is a certain amount of "security" in it. Far less of a "frightening" "uncontrolled" situation. Wayfers for the most part were taught they had the power to control everything.. money, the weather, health.. Just to me.. its almost the same thing as quitting one's career in finance, and going back to live with dad and mom.. Erkjohn, so you know, you are not the "bub" I am referring to. :)

I'd like to see them try going to grad school at 52 years old.. majoring in something other than aroma therapy or something, that is.. try Real Analysis.. no, you didn't get even half a clue what was coming from the little undergrad intro to real analysis course.. a kid less than half my age gave up.. so one looks at one's options.. try going the *hard* way.. and there are NO GUARANTEES of success.. or.. hmm. what does one do..

I don't think that was entirely it.. with money for nuttin and chicks for free.. I mean, how does one turn down that kind of *offer*? I think the vicster was merely calling the kettle black.. vic was as much if not more the spineless coward.. despite his *great* public persona, I would call him a feeble hearted bastard. Couldn't turn down the *perks* the position had to offer.. my opinion.. son could never live up to what pa thought the man pa ought to be.. make sense? Or am I just rambling..

probably because of the nasal southern monotone drawl that just forces them to sleep providing she even gives long speeches anymore.. *removes scowl from face, replaces with limp smile* *drooling at microphone* *aheeeem.. gawwwwwwwwd bless your lil ol hawts in da name of da lawwwwwd.. your rememmmmber how dock ta viener ville tawwwt us.." I dunno. Perhaps she is a fungus on the body of christ's.. whatever. I'm being kind and measured with my words here..

did you consider another possibility? As in.. things *perhaps* got a little better after the loyster was gently put out on the curb? No loy, no manogawdish "need" for a constant stream of women procured by "staff" and all.. the rest of the *men* shaking in their boots.. did you ever ask ms(?) rivenbark why it took a LAWSUIT naming her as a defendant, before running loy out of town, so to speak?

while we insist on talking everything "rosie"..I still have't seen *ms?* riven barkey's pimpish and organizational ladder climbing tendencies addressed here.. I dunno.. what more do people need? Does she need to show up for a sunday night service dressed in a red suit, wearing horns before people finally decide to flee?

and I'd add.. *she* hasn't exactly "reached out" to "heal" anyone here, has she? if you are a "healer".. lessee what you've got.. I wonder if *ms* rivenbark still refers to the old poop as "dr."..

That's the whole point, isn't it? She LOVES her POSITION. Probably worships it every morning.. Position, money, prestige.. isn't that kinda like.. mammon? the last picture they publicized of her.. its somewhere on the main page. I see a striking resemblence on her lips to the vicster's arse.. she's PAID for the position.. by gawd, even loy isn't going to stand in her way..

asides some extreme, bizarre psychological conditioning.. the only reason I'd see anybody slide back were if they were in a worse circumstance than der vey to begin with..

what is "very long"? the vicster's class (36 hours) was more than long enough..

too bad they don't quote that to themselves.. you know, rosie, ramona.. loy.. enabling sexual assault, performing sexual assault on employees.. recruting victims for said offences. I wonder if they really believe these words.. they didn't pay.. they just hid themselves under a pile of money. Who paid to get these sycophants off the hook? Was it on their own dime? I think not..

well.. if one can't squirrelize a thread, what good is it? I will try to stay on topic.. but any time I hear the themes like "abundance".. "sufficiency" it kinda makes me think fiscally, herr vey had a bad year.. what do they really NEED the money for? Perhaps they anticpate a few more law suits? I can hear phrases like "you can't out-give God" and the like. So many ambiguous statements. What do they mean? You can't outgive the supposed blessings a person is supposed to receive? Or is it a mere statement of fact? Or maybe its just a litte bit of guilt ridden prompting, that if He sacrificed so much, maybe the wayfer should not complain so much..