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If you don't mind me saying. To reclaim one's identity, sometimes one must push the "reset" button. For some, that might mean going to a few church services where the preacher refuses to define God Almighty for you.. maybe go to a few Catholic services. join a local civic group, and do some REAL good in the community. Or at least try to. Listen to old music you used to like to listen to. Beatles, Spirit, Jefferson Airplane, Led Zepplin, Traffic, James Gang, Yes.. and newer music that you missed like Norah Jones, Crowded House.. Eat somewhere between 600 and 800 morning glory seeds.. Petition the Creator as to what is really going on.. and don't be surprised if or when you get some kind of answer. Explore childhood dreams (or visions if you will), and attempt to connect with whatever impression one once had.. Go back to school. Study a subject that you really like, or one that you could learn to like. Maybe two subjects. just, do, something, different. I could keep adding to the list. I've tried most if not all of them. And by all means, say "Merry Christmas."

I heard that somebody signed in high german once..

Maybe a similar question. Could one claim that early christians impacted culture? In a real measurable sense? One might say.. yeah, look, we have writings that survived thousands of years.. but writings from those who are of different religion might be able to boast the same claim.

My original thought for this thread was from how another poster referenced this particular piece of "history" as not being relevant today. In other words, what good does knowing that the old ministry was being run by delusional, screaming, gun-toting psychopaths? Things did not improve after chrissy poo exited the scene, either. I know the general attitude: leave me alone, this is not "edifying". What difference does it all make in regards to my eternal security (ahem, eternal salvation) and all.. I don't see how "truth" always has to be "edifying". I wonder if *mr* geero still packs heat when he goes to put on a public meeting.. These just might be the kinds of things I would want to know before attending his church..

Another thing about the paper.. I believe it to also show geero as an enabler. Supposing it to be factual, if indeed the old man came sniveling and crying about his treatment from the trustees and his family, the best thing he could have done would have been to immediately drive him back to the airport and send him home.. but instead it appears he just allowed and enabled more bad behavior. More sniveling. More tantrums.. more calculated meanness, especially to geero's wife..

I think the relevance of the "document" is that in either case, whether his claims were factual or not, it makes out geero as a delusional nutcase. a royal rear end kisser.. him and those with the same kind of minds.. from what I understand of the old vicster, he needed a ROYAL amount of said kissing to be comfortable anywhere at home, or on his travels. Would go off on someone if a blade of grass accidentally fell on the wrong spot. With so much in common, maybe the two should have gotten married, or something..

I think it is a historic document. It documents the insanity that inhabited and inhabits way world and the majority of the ex-way organizations. I'll be nice and not paint them all with the same brush.. some turned out OK. If some of it is correct, it also documents the last few ranting sniveling moments of herr manogawd, which geero claimed existed but did not write the details. Well, the sniveling about his "men" at headquarters and his family was well recorded, but not the ranting. It also documents how geero kissed wierwille's rosie rear end.. despite the corruption he was aware of.. and the former buss driver thinks that he as the ability to teach somebody else how to manifest the great power of god.. he was so fearful and insecure, he had to pack heat to protect himself in a church service, when he read his "epistle". great power of god almighty? I think the "psycho" reference on other threads here is a fitting description.

I can think of a number of reasons, among which: It shows us a glimpse of the arrogant, egotistical, self-serving, conniving and man-worshipping small minds that were and now are in charge of others in many, many ministry assignments or positions. The same kind of minds inhabit many of the offshoots. It would wonderful to discover that conditions have improved.

You know.. the best teachers and supposed preachers of the sixties and early seventies, stood back from the microphone..

It's nice to see and hear music played by some people stoned out of their minds sometime. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXQR6RiB9zc

I'm not sure if the list is limited to just four species..

There are now FERPA issues to deal with.. FOI might not be enough to ply personal information out of any institution, even if the said subject is long past dead.

Time ran out on Wierwille.. I think it is more than that. I think time took one look at the pathetic bastard and went on a dead run, screaming from the room.. sowy. Maybe I just need another beer..

I'm glad you've learned to laugh.. I suppose the situation is so comical, one can't really help oneself..

You know, this is mathematically speaking, a very accurate, precise statement..

I wonder if the "program" has produced anything new at this point.. or different from the old parent organization..

And apparently, he isn't saying very much..

The only thing. The Cats must go with me.. I don't currently have a camera.. if I could send a picture of my current desk littered with wine bottles, bottles of vitamins, cds, radios monitors and computers.. somebody there would be convinced that that was my home..

Now there are some sexy tomatos.. globules of delight.. an orgy of awesomeness..

They really need me to be there. I don't know if they are willing to admit it.. as much as I need to be there. For more than one reason.

Another example of "your Abundant Sharing at work".

Thank you for this wonderful thought. I can't say that I can't agree more..

In a sense.. With God being spirit.. and one seeking God in spirit and truth.. are you not trying to communicate with God as, what is the human word.. a peer?

Sheesh. Why do I need two masters degrees to become "marketable".. The first one only makes me "marketable" on a part-time basis.. For the second one, if that's the way it has to be.. they are going to have to adopt me, give me a home, food, room for the cats.. you know- etc, etc. No more student loans. Not that that would make much difference anyway- unless I live to be 120 before retirement.. They offered far too much uncertainty in regards to acquiring a doctorate in math..

Soon, I hope.. heh