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care to detail what happened in 2000 and before? How many admissions of adultery.. and I question whether it was "just an affair(s).." were they peers, or underlings? sorry.. if you violated trust and took advantage of someone(s) under your authority in the old days.. you are stained for life.. it will follow you to the grave.. *I didn't write the book*.. The scariest part of all this.. there are still some who regard jl's letter as some kind of *epistle* with a godly message.. he launches into a BIBLE TEACHING half way through.. good frigging grief..

after how many years? How old is jl now? its been 38 years since the old grifter laid unholy hands on him.. that was.. what.. 21 years ago. So he is saying, he was *ordained* in 1971. Is this correct? If so.. he spent 14 years as a *bigwig* in way world.. and from 1988 to 2007 give or take.. he spent about twenty years with ces or stiffy.. NOW.. after all these years of *service* to gawd's people.. he needs HELP figuring out how to set up an organization, which is honest, transparent, and accountable??? :biglaugh: You have to be kidding..

He assumes quite a bit here.. "oh goody. They didn't email me back.. they must still love and support me.." good grief.. I would suggest a *real* test. Throw away the mailing list he apparently *lifted* from ces.. and see who emails, offering unsolicited support..

Who would send an four THOUSAND word email to a FRIEND? 155 sentences, at an average of 26 words per sentence.. It really looks like one percent fact.. the rest is supposed to be how *we* are supposed to think about it.. isn't his audience grown up enough to think for themselves? If one is a dyed in the wool stiffi adherent, apparently not..

so da adversary isn't in the day planner. By protocol, all he has to do is call the right underling and make an appointment. the *procedure* is "sacrosanct"..

I think its just another wabbit the vicstermeister pulled out of the hat.. wouldn't suprise me though, if it appeared in Leonard's work, or Kenyon..

and for the life of me.. I can't figure why anyone would want to duplicate the process.. I'm really starting to think it is far more sinister than it appears..

"special" or "precious" spoken with the correct southern accent means something far different..

So.. it's been what. several months since the grand "graduation".. where were the "leaders and workers" "sent"? I really really hope.. not to CFF.. if so.. you are sowing the same seeds of division from the old organization..

and how long will this nonsense continue.. as long as people send them money, buy their *package*.. just because they ejected the most OBVIOUS buffoon from stiffi.. I wouldn't count on any less nuttiness.. The board, they are ALL corps and momentus "grads" aren't they? What better can one expect from them? what about the new guy? I would bet he was formed in the same mold..

honest to God.. if he has a "God given ministry".. I'm the Pope.. If jl is still above suspicion, (i.e. you are one of the *innocent* unsuspecting ones) and you are dedicated to pour out life, time and MONEY for his "avenue".. or for j.s. and gang's perpetual dog and pony show.. all I'll say is, I'm glad it isn't a *problem* that I have.. false prophecies.. doctrines and practices that turn brother against brother.. adultery.. and who knows what else they partook in.. how low do they have to sink before a person can say "false apostles and prophets.." ? I find more integrity in a couple *dreaded* CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS that I've participated in than with these jokers.. Yeah.. vote with your wallet.. doesn't mean it's one choice or the other. Some people voted for NEITHER candidate in the last election..

With this "heart-wrenching" appeal.. doesn't he also align closely with the next verse as well?

And the most *interesting* point is where he actually has the b*lls to quote this verse: with the adultery and who knows what else he partook of in wayworld.. whatever *sin* he partook of afterward.. the false prophecies, the promotion of church dividing "training" (momentus).. doesn't the verse 17 apply to HIM? Unbelievable.. but some people will still follow in the direction his finger is pointing.. after decades of this nonsense.. you still support him? Blood is on your own head..

what a *gem*.. He remembers and counts the years, days, times and hours of his *ordination* by a greasy, repugnant, abusive drunk con-man.. He is still proud of it.. Just a thought. How many offshoots do you think he went to to apply for a job before taking the more extreme measures he outlines here? No, he wouldn't grovel. But he'd pick up the phone and make a call, and make a few subtle hints.. Isn't it intriguing.. not one of them wants him.. with momentus, the personal prophecy flap.. the adultery.. the controversy that is ces.. he has made himself SO *unique* that nobody wants him.. in a professional manner, that is.. he would be *lucky* enough to get a job cleaning a chapel.. let alone preaching in it..

I see he is targeting high school graduates by the Flesh Kincaid and ARI assessments..

I wonder how much legal baggage he's carrying into the new *organization* from the greaser's..

*The incredible splintering tree* *Play it again Sam, inc.* *Dog and pony show, act III*.. I just can't come up with something with the right ring to it, and still be accurately descriptive..

It's way too long.. why can't he just make his point with one short paragraph.. just what I need.. another epistle to "master" or something.. the raw length of it reeks of egotism..

what he's not banking on.. supposing whatever.. there are a hundred or more maniacs more depraved than he who would find use for his "resources" providing it is a *real* disaster. Some, even if it is a non-disaster.. they all go to the same place.. somewhere off the beaten path.. supposedly.. maybe he's reading. If so.. here it is.. "you are better off in the middle of civilization when (if) it hits.." no blood on my head now, fella..

Considering the one "victim" of the program who chose to post here developed a sudden inability to speak.. maybe they have..

Sounds like he's going for the *big* (non?) disaster.. 2012.. all the other "prophecies" have seemingly failed.. so you grab some grub, a hand full of women, and hole up somewhere in the outer reaches, where (supposedly) nobody will notice.. it's classical.. classical (sub)human behavior. Fascinating..

You idjits running this thing.. you are so dysfunctional.. you really have no business running anybody else's life.. masquerading as some kind of *man* (*men*) of gawd.. you can't even take care of your own pudgy self.. I don't claim to be much better. You could analyse my life and pick it apart as well. Please feel free to do so. But I'm not bringing my nonsense to the next generation either.. they don't NEED my nonsense.. at least I have the sense to acknowledge it..

I dunno.. but with some of the drugs he was involved with, I imagine he saw things that made snow lined gas pumps look mild by comparison..

as did the vicster. Same concept, slightly different vocabulary.. like the teaching, where does the life in the blood come from.. from the "seed" of course. crowley called it something like the divine logos or something.. certainly lived the same lifestyle.

I wonder if he had any dealings with Aleister Crowley..