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maybe.. my earliest memory.. or impression.. was a meeting with some kind of committee.. I'm not kidding.. we made some kind of "deal".. and shortly after, I ended up being flushed down some kind of cosmic "crapper".. but right before the big flush, da numbnuts were telling me something like I'd better get it right this time.. and that *likely* I'd not remember the conversation..

I dunno.. I don't think death is that terrifying. Coming alive into this existence.. now that was more like what people perceive as death than dying.. most just can't remember it.. two sides of the same coin I think..

so far.. one limb guy. didn't partake in the nasty.. maybe the *best* of they way ended up here after all.. :)

I think it is a fair question. I'd like to see some honest responses.. but I'm not entirely holding my breath.. cmon. You're just talking to a Squirrel. Can't be harder than talking to the Almighty.. Really.. if you never post here, your vote on the poll would still have some relevance..

or maybe because he was up to his eyeballs in the same reprehensible behavior.. kinda like "honor" among abusive thugs or something like that..

I've asked the same question. "where's the beef?" Even to the most maniacal ex-follower.. It looks nice, it sounds nice.. what does it actually DO? Asides from a lot of talk- and isn't that all tongues with interpretation and prophecy were? I've seen "miracles" happen right in the light of day.. and they did NOT advertise herr vicster, or da word like they think it hasn't been known since dinosaurs roamed the earth.. My vote is on the last proposition.. if anything, for me, the classes and how to did more to stifle any real spirituality rather than develop it.. just put it in a small box, where the creator has to obey the right kind of rules to get any attention.. I'm sorry for your friends.. and for your loss. I have a few different beliefs regarding this..

That my friend.. and I say that sincerely. Is the reason you cannot seem to really consider..

asides from some "rousing" tunes and such from way productions.. the snippets of sessions I've seen really were lame.. or more lame and less convincing than the earlier days.. maybe he took an honest look at it.. and realized in a marketable sense, it would be a failure.. "well, keeds.. thanks and all, but gawd (me) says we need to stick with the old schtick.."

or that he couldn't really "perform" anymore and needed a convenient reason to can the project..

good points. Maybe it was just to keep us hopping. You know.. guessing the true or original intent..

True.. but it gave apparent credibility to him and his plagiarized product.. there were other anecdotes.. I don't mind if people comment on those as well.. the famed "meeting(?)" between herr vicster and "the greatest theologian in all europe" ascribed to in session 11.. when did it occur? Barth died in 1968.. when did the vicster take a whirlwind tour of europe?

Yeah.. but that was a big selling point for pfal. If I remember correctly.. the mogmeister ranting on in a self-described dialogue with whoever.. "why don't ya grow a BACKBONE and stand up for da gweatness of da wordogawd.." I wonder how much substance there really was in all of this..

It was over "eli eli lama sabachthani". If I remember correctly, herr vicster claimed that all the bibles from the bible clearing houses that went to the east said "for this purpose was I spared".. and the ones destined for us poor deluded westerners said "why hast thou forsaken me" merely to sell bibles. the "translators" admitting that what lamsa and herr vicmeister claimed were indeed true.. I just wonder.. is there one single bit of evidence supporting this claim?

Thanks friends! That's probably what's been driving the cats in the house nuts at night..

Nobody's perfect I guess..

In general, I think they don't know or don't care. Maybe they are too afraid to consider what kind of reality all that implies.. Nor do they seem to know or care about rosie's complicity in martindale's situation- that she knew of his "indiscretions" years before they came to light in the lawsuit.. and did little except to encourage his behavior..

Welcome, Horse.. I have of yet still haven't found any way or ex-way *ministry* worth their salt.. at least with respect to financial support..

Naw... you said it all.. I was going to be just *slightly* more diplomatic. So Welcome Ken Brown. I was one of those mindless groupies long ago.. Just a few questions if you don't mind.. who are you (or your organization) affiliated with? Any independent honest review of your published personal studies?

sounds like an allusion to a record in Judges.. modern equivalent to a nail and hammer.. my guess anyway..

seems one day, long ago.. it was divorced from its origins.. perhaps the modern "Davids" hope so.. I know a few..

Maybe the *inerrancy* of scripture evolved from brutish animalism.. and it does not want to admit its origins..

so.. what does this have to do with hooking up with ex-wayfers? Maybe nothing, or everything, depending on one's point of view.. if they are not into my "trip".. for lack of better diplomacy.. to hell with them..

Some of us *reverted* to the condition we were in right before involvement with twi.. I picked up the music I abandoned. True, its "dated".. then I got back on the path I was on in terms of education.. but during my way years, I learned a lot of electronics, worked in consumer electronic repair.. toward the end I used the knowledge to get involved with the local ham radio club. I can't say it was an entire waste of a life.. not to mention two children who are successful in life.. would I change anything? Noooooooo.... but now comes phase two (or is that phase 3)..

Heh..