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well, welcome to the cafe Mrt. actually, I think "all that" started long before Nicea. Usually, all the other church leaders didn't have anything like the power constantine had to force compliance. Like today, they just threatened, shamed and the like.. like.. "what about the KIDS? Without *us*, they will go to hell in a handbasket.." The point about miracles.. I've seen two honest to god undeniable miracles happen. In both instances, I was forbidden to put the name of da way on them.. I wonder why..

John Lynn persecuted?? I haven't seen anybody pull a cat of nine tails out of a purse or anything.. he is entitled to his "nuttiness". Its just pathetic when he tries to sell the same inept products, over and over and over.. "and yes, we will need ... (drumroll....).. MONEY.." if the product is so great.. why didn't it work for him? Failed marriages.. divorce.. remarriage.. how many "romantic(?)" liasons.. adultery.. *maybe* even worse.. and after forty some years.. he's just BARELY coming around to the concept, that he needs to be accountable to someone else than his old, arrogant pudgy self.. but even with that, he's back to selling perhaps one of the greatest failure since the first century.. and js is no better. He's got an "Ephesians" ministry, dontcha know.. same damned arrogance that was in the old "ministry".. they haven't managed to grow up.. in my opinion, anyway.. so who is the spectator here? Those actually doing something in the world, or those who stay in their little comfortable "way homes"?

Isn't this the same guy the loyster set his said large rear to the curb? Or was that rosie the hatchet and the donster that ran him off.. along with his "kind"? vewy vewy interesting.. (modified the quote to change the name of the *innocent(?)*..) interesting.. so what was it with da misses? It seems she was willing to rubber stamp almost every edict that came out of they loyster's mouth. even to the extent of alienating herself from her own offspring..

haven't seen it.. there was some kind of page hosted by current way guy.. I think they pulled the plug on it.. now they are on facebook? for how long I wonder..

act crazy enough, and maybe one does not get the designation of "saint".. no, not down outright evil like some of these numbnuts.. I don't want to ever be old enough to be considered a "patriarch".. my dad succeeded in this regard..

good point. And perhaps for him he required all or nothing..

I dunno.. I think he sold it for peanuts.. he could buy a masters in theology.. a doctorate at some *reputable* degree mill.. fire up the European christian(?) press.. sell a whole bunch of pfal, rhst.. lots of way stuff.. he probably still has a copy of the the "agreement" to publish way materials.. transcribe a few more *doc* vic praise(?) be his names sunday night services.. tape of the month.. posthumously of course.. the old wayfers kinda go wild over this kind of thing.. maybe he just doesn't have the ambition of his *master*..

Yep.. only three people.. there's the geero the goon.. a boss who sabotaged a whole department in a business, simply because he was afraid I'd earn too much money.. and one absolutely mathematically brilliant non-colleague who "sucks" in terms of being a human being.. human nature.. is absolutely FASCINATING..

what a frigging moron.. sorry. I don't tend to talk about people in this manner.. but its just all too obvious.. there are only three people in existence I reserve this kind of label for.. if I held the power of life and death.. I would choose life. Why? If he just unexpectedly croaked.. that would end his travail of ineptness.. I think I'm starting to see what exie sees in this nutcase..

I dunno.. to me it looks like he was (is) an uncharismatic, brain damaged goon.. one of those of the "inner circle" where the vicster required them to huff the prescribed amount of glue or something.. enough to leave them obnoxious, but intellectually inept to pull off the coup, even if they held all the cards..

honestly.. who would want a snack.. like a pack of gum.. "wtf" is with that? when I think "snack".. I think of some kind of semi partial (or at least potential) sustenance.. Normally.. even in yesterdays terms.. why would one want (not a whole, but the top couple of slabs of) a pack of gum..? Sustenance? filling one's belly with less that a gram of sugar, several milligrams of some kind of aromatic chemical.. and an inedible base? maybe he just had bad breath or something..

Thanks for your contribution John J.. what about *mr* w's claim about the bibles? That the versions headed for export have "for this purpose was I spared" and us lowly westerns getting the other version? he then launched into a tirade about how the translators were cowards.. needed to grow a backbone.. asides from the lamsa version, I have never been able to find any more.. where are these versions? What are their names? Are they just hiding out some where? At this point, I think it was one more of vics delusional melodramatic episodes intended only to stoke up more sensationalism..

but.. there are those who seem to have the unparalleled skill of polishing or gold plating a turd.. " a turd by any other name is a turd, the same.."

Thanks friend..

maybe its just human nature.. we tend to be a savage, bloody bunch.. I hope I haven't ruined your "trip" here.. it just doesn't frighten me anymore.. we all want the simple days..

Its kinda pathetic.. my claim to fame here.. I have less(?) blood on my hands.. its still blood..

and with regards to my earlier posts.. God Bless you ErkJohn.. I likely betrayed some under my trust as well.. the only difference: there were fewer than others have to "deal with".. there were times I was a damned coward.. I am thankful I did not have even more responsibility.. in a lot of ways I've already hung myself..

I know these were probably rhetorical questions.. but they deserve an answer from the world's oldest Squirrel.. probably because *mr(?)* geer couldn't find his rear end, using both hands.. probably. Not just cooks, but da prevailing word over da world cooks. (cooks who would not insist on being given a decent salary.) explanation? look at the last question.. gawd have mercy on the intestines and entrails of said corps volunteers eating whatever it was.. I'd call it something else other than food "preparation".. a reference to question 1 is appropriate. Normally you would delegate responsibilities to someone QUALIFIED. But.. that generally involves remuneration with respect to the qualifications.. I understand that this is still the case.. he's "languishing" somewhere because of somebody elses unbelief.. no soup, or advanced class yet.. I have at least a little time on my hands as well..

I thought it was that it takes "spiritual maturity" to approach an egg. Especially if it was laid by a possessed chicken..

the last time I smoked pot.. the walls started breathing.. it's not the same stuff your grandma smoked..

I think I can understand this.. the dumbass already had *everything*.. why cross the lines and demand even more.. maybe its a curse.. getting everything one wants that is..

I really wish it will all be that simple..

If someone ever offers an "audit".. I think I would ask to see what happens if I attach the electrodes to the scientologist and ask questions in terms of my "religion"..

sowy.. wrong forum..

I hope I've changed as well.. a few facts I learned post-way.. I'm not inferior to anyone.. of course that goes both ways.. maybe its like.. I'd really like to know if my friends had some real closure of sorts.. I hope they aren't just hiding out somewhere, trying to run another "twig" or something.. In my lower position on the totem pole, I am sure I was every bit as arrogant..