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I should have written a journal.. even the rhetoric coming off the main stage seemed markedly similar to that of the current administration at the time, especially if it was "conservative".. loy even found a couple of examples where he understood Clinton.. I don't think this is too far off the subject. I think the organization simply mimicked the politics of the time.. the branding of smoking and smokers as selfish, devilish, resource wasting and such..

I think "da way" was simply a mirror of the larger scale of insanity.. hardly basing decisions on some kind of biblical standard.. they seemed to follow suit with what was happening in industry in general.. the cost cutting measures.. stealing (well, in a practical sense) people's retirement and livelihood.. they seemed to break the unions earlier however.. doop, heefner.. taking over the California franchise.. etc. etc..

I dunno.. who actually benefits from all of these mandates and regulations? We da people? Maybe slightly.. its the lawyers.. the lawmakers.. they must justify their existence to those who elected them, no? Who makes the *big* money here? one fact to consider: what is the percentage of smokers to population in the u.s.? Its twenty percent. Approximately. It does not surprise me that politicians would want to endear themselves to 80 percent of the population.. just a few thoughts. I am a non smoker.. I detest breathing second hand smoke.. but I really detest being "played" by a two-bit politician in this regard even more..

pretty broad generalization there, wouldn't you say?

You would think so, wouldn't you.. I think it is a case of an organization that grew too big for its "britches".. once they had astronomical growth in the early and late seventies.. money for nuttin.. chicks for free and all.. they got bold enough to demand EVERYTHING. ministry over spouse, "disobedient" children and even god almighty.. now they are a pathetic lot.. the only "entertainment" they seem to have is to have the lawyers pick off groups smaller than themselves.. as if they think the name of "da way* is somehow corrupted if another group unknowingly adopts it.. so.... pathetic. a bunch of has beens with the determination of hitler.. sitting back.. reviewing reports from lawyers and such, choking down a few more pickled pigs feet and schnapps.. reminiscing the "good old days" of the fuhrer, ahem.. the mogdagreat.. sitting on a small hill of pilfered silver and gold.. so pathetic..

Even John Cleese got in the act in city of death.. Honor Blackman, terror of the Vervoids..

I think Jeremiah was a wonderful philosopher, when he wasn't caught up in religious bigotry.. same for those who came after him..

Hmm. How about a similar question.. where did *you* come from? Well.. "I was created.." to which I ask.. where is freedom of will in this.. I mean.. did you actually want or agree to this, to begin with? then some might cite Jeremiah's counter to this question.. I wouldn't say the answer is exactly "satisfying".. that always seems to be the problem with living clay.. the *secret* (if there really is one) I think.. innately, we know who we are, where we came from.. just not to let it drive us nuts..

what if you found about 99.9 percent of yourself burned off in about a half a second.. there are two things (or three) that generally follow something like that.. 1. You don't care.. but you do. Does this make sense? You want to know what the crap just happened to you, but the result of inquiry has no relevance. 2. Since it doesn't make a whole heck of a lot of difference to whatever of *you* that is left.. one may shamelessly seek explanations that may make sense from others, whether they think you are a "fruitcake" or not.. 3.. I dunno. It involves a strange mix of 1 and 2.. so the best explanation I got from a dear friend.. "don't look into the light.. that's what we were taught.. you'll get BURNED.." I already figured that out.. heh. but I'd do it all over again.. I'd go back there again.. but the first encounter was by pure chance.. I hope I didn't ruin your thread here, friend.. :)

just an observation. (it is not in the spirit of meanness or anything like that) the trinitarians may have the same description for your god.. at least some of what you stated of theirs.. as far as pestilence, earthquakes, etc.. is it just possible that the same god who brings love, joy.. etc.. also is required to bring their contrasts? it WOULD explain a few things.. not that I entirely am happy with the conclusion one might arrive at.. or the system of things itself..

Or maybe its the simpler case of having one spouse in the pocket is better than having two in the bush..

No, not hallucinating. Technically, I'd call it a "flashback"..

well, welcome to the cafe Mrt. actually, I think "all that" started long before Nicea. Usually, all the other church leaders didn't have anything like the power constantine had to force compliance. Like today, they just threatened, shamed and the like.. like.. "what about the KIDS? Without *us*, they will go to hell in a handbasket.." The point about miracles.. I've seen two honest to god undeniable miracles happen. In both instances, I was forbidden to put the name of da way on them.. I wonder why..

John Lynn persecuted?? I haven't seen anybody pull a cat of nine tails out of a purse or anything.. he is entitled to his "nuttiness". Its just pathetic when he tries to sell the same inept products, over and over and over.. "and yes, we will need ... (drumroll....).. MONEY.." if the product is so great.. why didn't it work for him? Failed marriages.. divorce.. remarriage.. how many "romantic(?)" liasons.. adultery.. *maybe* even worse.. and after forty some years.. he's just BARELY coming around to the concept, that he needs to be accountable to someone else than his old, arrogant pudgy self.. but even with that, he's back to selling perhaps one of the greatest failure since the first century.. and js is no better. He's got an "Ephesians" ministry, dontcha know.. same damned arrogance that was in the old "ministry".. they haven't managed to grow up.. in my opinion, anyway.. so who is the spectator here? Those actually doing something in the world, or those who stay in their little comfortable "way homes"?

Isn't this the same guy the loyster set his said large rear to the curb? Or was that rosie the hatchet and the donster that ran him off.. along with his "kind"? vewy vewy interesting.. (modified the quote to change the name of the *innocent(?)*..) interesting.. so what was it with da misses? It seems she was willing to rubber stamp almost every edict that came out of they loyster's mouth. even to the extent of alienating herself from her own offspring..

haven't seen it.. there was some kind of page hosted by current way guy.. I think they pulled the plug on it.. now they are on facebook? for how long I wonder..

act crazy enough, and maybe one does not get the designation of "saint".. no, not down outright evil like some of these numbnuts.. I don't want to ever be old enough to be considered a "patriarch".. my dad succeeded in this regard..

good point. And perhaps for him he required all or nothing..

I dunno.. I think he sold it for peanuts.. he could buy a masters in theology.. a doctorate at some *reputable* degree mill.. fire up the European christian(?) press.. sell a whole bunch of pfal, rhst.. lots of way stuff.. he probably still has a copy of the the "agreement" to publish way materials.. transcribe a few more *doc* vic praise(?) be his names sunday night services.. tape of the month.. posthumously of course.. the old wayfers kinda go wild over this kind of thing.. maybe he just doesn't have the ambition of his *master*..

Yep.. only three people.. there's the geero the goon.. a boss who sabotaged a whole department in a business, simply because he was afraid I'd earn too much money.. and one absolutely mathematically brilliant non-colleague who "sucks" in terms of being a human being.. human nature.. is absolutely FASCINATING..

what a frigging moron.. sorry. I don't tend to talk about people in this manner.. but its just all too obvious.. there are only three people in existence I reserve this kind of label for.. if I held the power of life and death.. I would choose life. Why? If he just unexpectedly croaked.. that would end his travail of ineptness.. I think I'm starting to see what exie sees in this nutcase..

I dunno.. to me it looks like he was (is) an uncharismatic, brain damaged goon.. one of those of the "inner circle" where the vicster required them to huff the prescribed amount of glue or something.. enough to leave them obnoxious, but intellectually inept to pull off the coup, even if they held all the cards..

honestly.. who would want a snack.. like a pack of gum.. "wtf" is with that? when I think "snack".. I think of some kind of semi partial (or at least potential) sustenance.. Normally.. even in yesterdays terms.. why would one want (not a whole, but the top couple of slabs of) a pack of gum..? Sustenance? filling one's belly with less that a gram of sugar, several milligrams of some kind of aromatic chemical.. and an inedible base? maybe he just had bad breath or something..

Thanks for your contribution John J.. what about *mr* w's claim about the bibles? That the versions headed for export have "for this purpose was I spared" and us lowly westerns getting the other version? he then launched into a tirade about how the translators were cowards.. needed to grow a backbone.. asides from the lamsa version, I have never been able to find any more.. where are these versions? What are their names? Are they just hiding out some where? At this point, I think it was one more of vics delusional melodramatic episodes intended only to stoke up more sensationalism..

but.. there are those who seem to have the unparalleled skill of polishing or gold plating a turd.. " a turd by any other name is a turd, the same.."