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so he just "bumbled along" into a morass of sin and sexual immorality? he DECIDED? I think that is the key here. he really thought? so now you partly admit.. that he was "led astray". But you seem to persist in holding on to his doctrine.. he "decided".. everything else as well.. just so I understand what you are saying correctly: "I am allowing a lecherous rogue and sexual deviant to determine what is right for me to believe." Is that it?

You've got to be kidding.. maybe by YOUR perception.. I think closer to reality here was, vp's first love was the adulation and worship publically, and the "ability" to "free range" with his wee wee..

yes, that is the whole point here..

what would it take for you to be at peace? what would it take for you to turn your back on da way international, forever.. I found it once. but I can't apply it to anyone else..

I understand completely.. sorry. I'm supposed to be some kind of peacemaker here.. I feel I have failed horribly.. where do we go from here..

very likely. Same as Hitler, Milosivek.. Pol-Pot.. Misunderstood, otherwise, "darlings"..

have you thought for half a second that someone from the early seventies has entirely abandoned that kind of ....? let's see what the GS spellchecker does with the last sentence.. I was from the early seventies as well.. I saw what others did, in the early seventies.. brb. A few moments here.. pretend it is chat.

I'm sorry friend. You ask a question like this.. and half-drunk Squirrels WILL reply..

sooo. Wierwille was a maniac. heh it took some of us some time, but we likewise figured it out.. so.. who is it those who shall "go".. another half a bottle of 47 pound chicken, and I'm sure I'll figure it out.. *We* will go, with our spouses, untouched, and un-maimed.. Our wowmobiles, our little businesses and professions.. our.. sowy. I'ts the best I could come up with at the moment..

Who are they that shall go? well.. somebody has to speak for da devil, you know..

dismissing moral superiority in a debate.. doesn't that indicate the person with the argument is complaining that the other party has an "unfair advantage"?

but.. there is nothing quite like, da Original.. If only you could read it in the original.. and if you don't like all the links.. here is da Best..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyNTibg6ehQ&feature=related sowy. I couldn't resist, either.. cripe.. this character makes the rounds, doesn't he? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZp8T5r-Nx8&feature=player_embedded

forever stuck on a vicious cycle.. maybe that's what "conscience seared with a hot iron" is all about.. can't break free even if they wanted to..

True.. but it doesn't confuse me any more.. sometimes all it does is to drive me to laugh.. its almost like watching a dog chase its tail.. why does he (or she) do it? maybe the answer is obvious.. maybe there is no *reason*. It is because it (the tail) is there.. I dunno.. maybe the animal needs that kind of "security"..

What position? That is what is YOUR position here? What are you really trying to say? What is the "save haven" in da way you describe? For whom? What TANGIBLE amount of "safety" what was it? And who was it afforded to, under what conditions, why? You define your terms with a vague verse of scripture? "the Lord heard my cry.. and brought to a safe haven.." Can you describe what measure of safety you really enjoyed? what was it? I can state my position clearly here.. the vicster was nothing more than a second rate con-man, who posed as a "manogawd", leaching off of, and selling other men's works and such to support his claim, The vicster had lower morals than a Guinea Pig. Guinea Pigs generally don't use date rape drugs. He kept a STABLE full of females.. he passed women among his top "men" like The vicster was a very, very bad man. I'd go on.. but those are just a couple starters here.. is that clear? so what is your "position" here? That all the above DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE? That the blood of Jesus covers it all up? that.. despite EVERYTHING.. all that counts, is that da vicster "saved" you from the Trinity? Or a belief in life after death? I'm really trying to understand what you are saying. It's kinda like another dialogue I can remember. "come back to pfal." why? "you will be surprised with the RESULTS." what results? "You wouldn't understand. Come back to pfal.." I TOOK the god forsaken thing over fifty times. What difference is it going to make if I "come back"? I've already SEEN the "results" (little, or none). "you must have not gotten it 'right'. something you missed.. come back to pfal. It's there.." what is *it*? If this is the kind of "dialogue" we are having here.. I'll go my way, you go yours.. but true, that is what is *neat* about this place.. God and the whole world can see what kind of mentality that was being forced upon us..

and they rely on one's basic sense of decency and love of God to not pluck them off.. sure looks pretty on the topside. Polished, shiny little creature.. "that da *ministry* be not blamed.." I dunno. A tick is a pretty offensive thing, at least to me.. no matter what religion it boasts..

toss religion into the mix and why does logic seem to evaporate.. these fiends are like parasites in the arm pits of society..

So just HOW is the vicster's supposed *ministry* a safe haven? a safe haven from WHAT? and for WHOM? raping, pillaging, opulent spending and living.. as far as I can see is.. it was a "safe haven" for CRIMINALS, and a RELATIVELY safe haven for those who could be kept clueless.. I haven't been offered or given many other options here.. one can label a brothel a church, or "ministry".. but the label does not change what is inside.

the *real* chicken. Excue me, rooster.. is about 37 pounds.. I really wish, that I could be that happy.. twice a day would be a luxury here..

why nevermind.. when you can be the entity that you are..

I'm surprised.. at after the years of opulence.. he actually remembereed what the details it would take.. to move the tractor..

why make such a big deal out of it.. when I was "downer" on my luck.. no it wasn't bad for me or anything.. but these morons couldn't figure it out.. this was.. and maybe still is the *rule*. be *cool* about it.. and you can do almost anything you want to do.. "I can be anything I want to be.." why don't you just friggin BE it.. I know.. it takes a lot.. what else did you expect with this existence. I only get "blessed" with a finite amount here, existence, that is.. we should not have had the beer run.. isn't that the whole point here? yeah.. it might lead into.. gawd forbid.. a cosmic pile of.. s*it.. what an immature thought.. sn't that where all quests lead? the unknown?.. sowy. all of the above nuttiness.. was largely endorsed by a crazy, sober driver, on a fabled beer run.. I was not the sober driver.. Gawd bless you, sober driver.. she offers me green tea.. I accept.. we were all prophets.. we just didn't know it.. I've been called that once.. by a follower of vic.. what do you now think, friend..

He was cool and all.. I still go where he goes.. quietly of course.