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As disgusting as his argument is, the logic amuses me. Or lack thereof. the "dialog" goes something like this.. "vic was, and still resembles a turd" "no, god covered for him. look at da blessings.." "what blessings? what special protection?" "just read the bible. you'll see it." "what is *it*, that I am supposed to see?" "well, all that counts is *I* got da word of gawd. gawd ordained vic, "covered" for him so *I* could get da word." "what about the rapes, theft, plagiarism, alcohol, lack of control, breaking into violent outbursts, and sexual morals lower than a Guinea Pig he demonstrated?" "no problem. If he's guilty, so is David, Solomon, etc.. and Dopp(????)" so, in other words.. that justifies it all. One soul(?) gets redeemed by the greatness(?) of vic's(?) word and *ministry*(?).. and that supposedly fixes everything? Or maybe justifies it? well, I dare not allow any amount of self-righteous morals touch MY righteousnessssssss hiss. Is that a close description of this dialogue? I would look a tad bit closer to what he sold you that you regard as salvation.. you may think it is incorruptible and going to heaven, all hell not being able to stop it from going.. I'd take a closer look..

"interesting(?)" reasoning there though isn't it? "welll.. if *st* vic is guilty, so is the other guy.." yeah, yeah.. it would be like a mobster on trial for his life.. "but your honor, ladies and gentlemen of da jury. Everybody else was robbing, killing, maiming and raping. What's da big deal?" and it's based, not on fact,but an allusion to the possibility that a hippie in the sixties in San Francisco had sex with people.. you have to be kidding me.. so a hippie having some remote possibility of being identified as having sex with more than one partner.. the implication is that the victoid had some god given *ministry* ..?

I'd dying here..

So, how is da victoid's "ministry" a safe harbor in all of this? Mighty vic Bunyon, who cleared da woods with one swing of his mighty axe.. thanks Skyrider.. so many legends of gweatness.. but how was it TANGIBLY a safe harbor? Or haven? How many deaths, accidental or otherwise in this little sample of the surrounding population? Suicides? Rapes? Drug and excessive alcohol consumption? Dreadful diseases, that were not miraculously healed? All of that in my way years was quietly swept under the rug- "that da ministry(?) be not blamed" was the usual reason. "Don't blame da way. It isn't da WORD'S fault.." oh no. can't happen here. *we* is better than *them*. It would be an interesting study, to really see statistically how different the proportion of these kind of "negatives" occured in the way sample vs. the surrounding population. Or compared to other "ministries". Or denominations.. but like the financial books, st vic made that kind of information practically impossible for an ordinary follower to acquire.

its a different system.. in the *real world* that is. even when I grade a student.. they STILL have the right to appeal. Even to more than one authority..

Yeah.. it was an evaluation day. The boss comes, sits in the back of the room. We are psychically connected. How, why I have no idea.. but somehow I know the day the boss is coming.. The first semester, I was a horrible teacher. Of course, every grad assistant could not claim better.. four times through this, and I am starting to figure out what to fix.. so I really hope it isn't the last time around. so I ask the question. Am I getting close to a "fair" rating yet? and.. no comment.. well.. you are doing a lot better.. you could try doing this, or doing that.. the only *real* power I have is to issue a grade. And I do my best to do that fairly.. what does this have to do with the topic of this thread? I dunno.. but it got me thinking of other things..

From your second link the "answer" to the problem seems simple. Just take your power back. No more slavish servitude.. no more "love offerings." no more motorcoaches and no more free plane tickets, gasoline, traveling (over)expenses.. nothing. Not even one thin, over-worked dime.. seems a lot of exwayfers haven't learned the lesson.. what a day it has been here.. this has been my fourth semester (hopefully not last.. well, maybe *they* will let me teach something else) teaching college intermediate algebra. I could get up in front of people and present subjects prior to this.. but.. I never planned or taught a whole class in this manner before. considering how I conduct a class now, compared to the first time around.. it would have been more ethical if I had paid THEM, instead of them, ME..

They really don't care. It makes absolutely no difference to them.. can't take the time to examine something "negative".. they really think the old organization, hierarchy and corps "program" was a real "success".. "ruined" by a *few* "bad men". the kid lists gramps as one of his heroes..

cold summer, glistening.. Schinderleria, Preamaturus.. In other word,.. "the fish".

there is a fog upon L.A... tell the moon dog, tell the march hare.. we have.. what? the warmth of the sky..

difficult to live with? Christ, no. A *prophet* is, or should be, your best friend..

most of the "prophets" I've met.. when they were confronted with a large enough "following".. acted crazy enough to disseminate the crowd.. Truth really is a pathless place.. the rest.. I don't know how to describe them..

why do we get a Scientology advertisement at the bottom of the page? Excuse the cussing. "Christ.. I know where I am from.." and it isn't from the depths of hell. Others might disagree.. and they want to SELL the "privileged information" to me? NOW we are getting the right ads. Super duper sandwiches.. "Hot Dang".. and not because it passed the GS cuss checker, either..

I don't know about you.. but generally, people tell me EVERYTHING.. why I don't know.. yeah. Even if it is self-incriminating.. Why? well.. the only *action* I can take, is in my dreams. I can't levitate, mentally manipulate matter in real life.. I can manipulate numbers. That's about it..

Is your defense, the end justifies the means? well.. at least the trial can proceed.. anybody who can identify the allusion here.. wins the booby prize..

*some of us* were sent to OBSERVE.. do you have any final words in your defense?

we are assuming a lot here.. people who have a "ministry?" I've met John. I have the highest regard for him.. but is he willing to accept your description? Or insinuation that he has a God-given ordained MINISTRY? how is "research" a "ministry"?

and while you're working on the last two questions. What would you do with a psychiatrist that "counseled" his patients by having sex with them? or even worse. Administered date rape drugs surreptitiously?

maybe the big question should be: do you AGREE with that doctrine? or that its OK under the right circumstances.. or do you abhor it?

so he just "bumbled along" into a morass of sin and sexual immorality? he DECIDED? I think that is the key here. he really thought? so now you partly admit.. that he was "led astray". But you seem to persist in holding on to his doctrine.. he "decided".. everything else as well.. just so I understand what you are saying correctly: "I am allowing a lecherous rogue and sexual deviant to determine what is right for me to believe." Is that it?

You've got to be kidding.. maybe by YOUR perception.. I think closer to reality here was, vp's first love was the adulation and worship publically, and the "ability" to "free range" with his wee wee..

yes, that is the whole point here..

what would it take for you to be at peace? what would it take for you to turn your back on da way international, forever.. I found it once. but I can't apply it to anyone else..

I understand completely.. sorry. I'm supposed to be some kind of peacemaker here.. I feel I have failed horribly.. where do we go from here..

very likely. Same as Hitler, Milosivek.. Pol-Pot.. Misunderstood, otherwise, "darlings"..