Ham

I dunno. I find it enlightening.. how the successors of vic's dogma DEMAND forgiveness. Well, practically. "Jesus says we HAVE to." Kit Sober is not included here.. at least in my thoughts. A gentle suggestion is one thing.. there is something in proverbs about that.. as far as offshoots, to me it isn't a matter of forgiveness. More of a matter of TRUST. Why.. should I trust you.. you haven't anywhere near come to terms with your true origins. ESPECIALLY sowers. You think gramps adulterous abusive romp in the body of Christ to be so *special*. A "success.." you STILL call him "the Man of gawd".. tell me if I'm mistaken.

do you thinks "mouths are stopped here" because you asked a silly question in response to a question?

but, but but.. he was a BELIEVER.. can't "think evil" you know.

Heh.. perhaps. sometimes.. we see more than we want to.. where does all that go.. some describe it as a "headache".. I dunno..

No, we are not, are we..

I had one of those kind of experiences once.. now, when it happens, the light is not so what is the word.. as "dazzling" or as disconcerting, as it was the first time.. eventually, all of our eyes will have to become accustomed to the light..

if you don't mind me adapting a few of your words.. It is an ineffectual and incompetent god that needs an unprincipled bastard like the victoid to fulfill his will.. I mean, He is God and all. I don't question that.. well, I could but I don't. but if He is almighty.. couldn't He have figured all this out? It really isn't my burden, anymore.. I hope this makes sense..

that is the "coolest" post here.. if I could vote, anyway.. I would not deny God on anybody's premise.. not even mine.

so.. we have a *ministry* that leads nowhere. needs constant, and what's the word.. I'll remember tomorrow.. but it needs constant defending. And excusing.. you have to be kidding.. Maintenance! that's the word. and that's what it seems to be getting here. At least from some of us.. one excuse, one justification for pure evil, after another.. a few quoted verses, how *man*'s heart is depraved.. if you think I am in anything for the money, fame and fortune, riches and wealth beyond any reasonable expectation here.. I would ask those who really, really know me.. some of them only WISH I were a hundred times more ambitious.. my life was far from "covered" or "protected" in the old man's "ministry".. some were even less. so what I am seeing here.. outside of a few historic incidents. That is, meet the wife, father a couple of godly children.. and I would have done the same, taken the same actions, if I were inducted into the Jehovah's Witnesses.. or Scientology.. or.. whatever.. outside of what NATURE provided. There really was no advantage..

seems to be just giving me one more reason to abandon the bible, entirely. If that's god's religion, he can keep it..

That's it! Da victoid's "ministry".. on one side of the road there was a cemetery.. on the other, a road sign.. "millions now smoking"..

It's to them.. "incorruptible". i.e. whadda I have to worry about? one of my dear friends from long ago.. his dad told him.. "it sounds to me, like you are using the bible, to go to hell.."

I really didn't see the Corporation named or accredited in any way in any of this.. the *safety* is only at best temporary. Or seasonal. they just don't see it that way..

who was it safe for.. so far, from the "relevant" discussion." Da way was a safe harbor, for a leader with an erection..

The Victoid (sorry I capitalized his name) was *lucky* enough to be a Swine, at the right time..

he didn't figure it out. fear, or fearlessness? there will BE a debriefing on the other side of this existence.. well.. maybe I shouldn't say more. Sounds pretty nutty, even to me.. but doesn't anyone else have any impressions like this? you had to make a few agreements with whoever it was there to come here.. from what I remember.. the dialogue went something like "you'll never figure it out. Or at least, the odds are VERY SLIM that you will.." it could just be an illusion. maybe self-induced.. maybe from watching the Outer Limits in the early sixties.. the "easy" answer during the debriefing.. "sorry, I was (or chose to be) a moron.."

about the best year I had was 1974.. weird. I'm still connected to myself, over forty years later.. there is too much good that I would have to undo to go back to change anything.. what would you change, if you could? well.. me. but then, I'm connected, aren't I. I've changed a lot in the present.. I just wish I could give a *tad* bit more wisdom to the poor clueless bastard in 1974..

you really don't need a bible to watch and comment on a video with two women and a dog.. honestly you really don't.. the "honesty" makes him a manogawd? I won't put those words in your mouth. But if they are there.. my reply would be.. "you've got to be kidding me.."

if not "serious port".. what is the next step? Beastiality? Oh. Yes.. the victoid didn't show that in da class. That was reserved for mixed audiences, with some underage viewers in da corps.. admired? He was (a very very small version) of the Timothy Leary of christianity. well, most of his audience had already turned on, tuned in.. no thanks to da vicmeister.. but wasn't that the POINT of what he had to offer with his wares? Drop out of "conventional" society and religion? too bad it was to fall into the hands of a depraved, drunken lunatic and sex-fiend.. and those like him.. happened to the "keeds" who fell into manson's alternative lifestyle as well. The mansons tried to "love bomb" Carl Wilson as well. Didn't exactly work.. thank god.. "there are those among us who would GLADLY EXECUTE you" if they had half a chance. even if their assumptions were incorrect..

yep. sorry,that's the best I've got here..

I hope .. the newer generation, finds.. LSD 25.. it was a wrench, tossed in the machinery..

everything.. was wrong with us.. including me.

considering in this life.. I've been met with debts from the last one.. or was that from the one before.. or was that from the one before that.. yeah. I wish I could just remember what it was that I owed..

we'll just call it a draw. I paid in, year after year.. raised productive, educated individuals, in my household. I really did all I could do here.. no. They will find two loan officers. One will be an absolute saint. The other one, would rob his mother of her pension, to pay the tax debt.. yes, they will find two. and they will give both of them stern, strict orders to collect from me, moments before shooting both of them in the head.. :biblaugh: sorry. It's a running joke here..

ha! I think that is what I was trying to say.. really, there is nothing left there.. but I was one of the stooges who paid in.. lets see how they can reconcile all that, and student loans.. I think as the book keepers might interject, hit even..