sharon

would there still be wine at communion?

what a sad sad thing, how truely forgiving the victims parents are, At the playing field Wednesday night, a family friend read a statement from Rourke's parents, who urged people not to demonize their son's attacker. He "is not a monster. He's a good boy who made a bad mistake. This is a mistake that will haunt both families for the rest of our lives," the statement said. from cnn i hope and pray that all involved are somehow healed. but..pain is pain a 10 year old little boy doesn't understand that not being allowed to play ball is paled in comparison to this horredous act, but should we dismiss his pain?

i'll take that as a haha, i have 3 boys 2 of whom r active in baseball, (10 yr old little league/7 yr old t-ball) i sponsor 2 teams and volunteer selling more cr*p then any one would ever want and or need, somewhere along the line the fun has gone out of these extra-curricular activities. would it be so difficult if they bent rules... i know that the mayors children don't follow the same rules... oh and buying the team wasn't a joke 2 years ago i missed the deadline but hey once i opened my wallet that problem disappeared. was that wrong? most likely yes, but would i do it again yep.

notice i seperated the 2/ but "chilling" doesn't negate good manners, trust me I have enough to lose sleep over, people being rude to me is low on my list, but if this site is to be a safe harbor it's just something to think of ps. got the fiddle and started lessons, when does the cat die?

Long but worth the read for chuckle..and on a personal note, I know that PJP, was this super great dude, but u do realize they exhummed another pope to bury this one.... oh and in his favor this one (pope)did admit to the catholic church's involment in the holocaust. as for the pedophilia, to deep to go into, but i will say this it is unnatural for anyone to be seperated from human touch and intamcy, HEAVEN—The soul of Pope John Paul, which entered heaven last week following a long illness, expressed confusion and disappointment Saturday, upon learning that the Celestial Kingdom of God to which the departed faithful ascend in the afterlife is significantly less luxurious than the Vatican's Papal Palace, in which the pope spent the past 26 years of his earthly life. Above: St. Peter's Basilica, with its 90-foot bronze baldachin designed by Bernini, is one of the many Vatican splendors no longer enjoyed by Pope John Paul II (below). "Where are all the marble statues, sterling-silver chalices, and gem-encrusted scepters?" the visibly disappointed pope asked. "Where are the 60-foot-tall stained-glass windows and hand-painted cupolas? Where are the elaborately outfitted ranks of Swiss Guards? Why isn't every single surface gilded? This is my eternal reward?" Heaven, according to the New Testament, has "brilliance like a very costly stone... of pure gold, like clear glass..." with "twelve gates... each gate a single pearl." Yet the pope, who spoke from the afterlife, said heaven is nothing like the "solid-gold city" detailed at length by John of Patmos in the Book of Revelations. "Evidently, the Bible was not intended to be taken literally, after all," John Paul II said. "Don't get me wrong: It's very nice up here—quite beautiful and serene. It's just not as fancy as what I'm accustomed to. If I'd known heaven was going to be like this, I would've taken one last tour through my 50 rooms of velvet-draped thrones and priceless oil paintings before saying 'Amen' and breathing my last." Taken from The Onion

auntie sharon says **** it buy a team... always need a tax write off...

Ok, here I go, First let me preface this by saying I have met some of the most wonderful people here at GS., truely kind and loving, people who really care and who I am "blessed" to have met. Then on the other hand I have also met some extremly judgmental and hateful people, no I haven't been here long and maybe I don't have the "right" or I haven't done the "time", but the truth is the majority of the people never went corps, never went wow, h*ll most took PFAL and stopped, I can't quote chapter and verse, but my pain is equal to everyone elses, my hurt is valid. I read the posts, and don't understand why people are so hateful, not just disagreeing but hateful, for heaven's sake throw on silver tights and we got Loy... I don't mean to upset anyone, but since I've been here I know I've been blasted, simply because I stood up for someone, not because I felt one person was more right than the other, but because there was no reason for such friggin meaness. IMHO, we are simply creating the EXACT same HIEARCHY we left I love the chat room the people there have literaly saved my foot, and when ever I have delt one on one with the people in the forum they also have been kind, I just wonder if we (myself included at times) have forgotten basic kindness and manners.

Oldsie, As I already told you were neighbors come on over --> So imho, if u can't answer those simple question, i suggest as my dear Granny would say, "Take the cotton out of your ears, and put it in your mouth" I think there may be hope for u after all. :)-->

Oldsie, Notice something...u still have not answered my very simple very direct questions. I wonder why? sfl

Sorry, I'm not done. You know oldsie, you are being mean. no other word but mean. You expect everyone to believe that your time spent in the Way was filled with wine and roses. Fair enough I don't know you, I believe you, why would you waste your energy and your time bs. the collective forum post. So therefore you should in fact give other people that same respect. Not only that but, YOU are in the minority, not to say that I don't have some (1/2) good as a matter of fact very good memories of my time in TWI. I posted on an earlier forum, how much one of Mich**l F*rts teachings ment to me. I love some of the people who are still in. I love more who got out. In case you haven't heard, at a very low point in my life I decided to take the PFAL class again, to renew my mind on G-d's word. I spoke with HQ., because I was not sure of my status as my then husband family had just been austed. Got permission to take class, and joined with a glad heart. Because I am who I am I made cookies, (I was VERY pregnant at the time), peanut butter and chocolate chip cookies, and I took them... Got there and these fools running the class told me that my friggin cookies where a distraction to the new students, that I was taking the focus off of G-d's word and putting it on wordly needs. What a crock of ....!!! I do not give a rat's tookes wether u believe me or not, but if everything was as wonderful as you would like ME to believe I guess the obvious question is WHY DID U LEAVE? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Or perhaps did i find something else to agree with TWI, that u are mean. Don't worry, you can change you can be healed, you can get those self loving devil spirits out of you, me I'm keeping mine! I'm making cookies, and if anyone wants one they know my name. again for the record: Sharon Langer Mercado Lustig (oh yea checked with ex-husband, who was holding said cookies and that is exactly, what was said when I gave the woman the cookies.

Oldsie, Do u think it was G-dly for the TWI to promise that man in the wheelchair that he would walk again if he bought leadership a snappy new BMW? And before you say it yes they did admit guilt, if they where innocent would they have settled? Doubt it!!! As a matter of a fact another question why don't TWI/BOT, file a counter claim for slander. (Which if all of these suits were as frivolous as u seem to feel they would win). I don't know the Peeler's or the Allen's never met them once, don't need to, I full heartly believe in the system, and I question why TWI settles with everyone? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM... If they are beyond reproach, have them open their books get a forensic account to go thru it, hell make it a condition of the law suit that if they are found to be innocent (ok, i'm laughing 2)the Peeler's or whomever is responsible for their cost. I feel this is fair. On another note do u try to be as offensive as u are? Cause if u do hats off! You have never address the points, 1. The way international has promised to heal people for $$, and not come thru. 2. Maybe, when u where there this wasn't the case but when I was in TWI, (84-95) it was the norm, to be pressued to give more "abundantly" and if u did not you dissapointed TMOGFOT, and who would want that. Oh, and if u want me to believe that these things never happened to u, then I demand the same in return. 3. If u did not do what TWI wanted they would hold above your head the threat of being "M&A", and if u were m&a, you stood to lose a lot, again if this didn't happen while you where in TWI I'm glad, but it did while I was there. Now notice Oldsie I only used singular pronouns, and asked you direct questions, my last one being... I want to know if YOU BELIEVE that it was moraly correct on any level for TWI, to tell someone how to run their personal finances? And again was it G-dly in any way shape or form for someone in leadership to promise a man in a wheelchair, that if he gave them money and gifts, G-d would heal him? PLEASE ANSWER. so you don't think I am afraid to put my name on this. Sharon Langer Mercado Lustig.(every name I've ever had, although u question that) ps. the dancing money is offensive at best insulting to me.

no reason to be suprised, when a conversation is carried out in writing u can only present so many of your opions before people get bored of reading, just like I am certain you are not as male chauvanistic as you sound I am not a bra buring femanist ;)-->

yep... 1st one is when Scarlett leaves Atlanta for Tara 2nd when Rhett drops her off at Melanies for Asley's b-day party and of course Rhett says 3rd

Jefferson in Paris Thandie Newton The Young Americans

HCW- Sometimes we as a society forget that "the best intrest of the child" is better served with the child staying with thier father. I actively helped a dear friend of mine regain custody of his 2 teenage daughters, and you are right it was not easy (the mother was a piece of doo doo and still not easy), time after time she would not show up to court, or show up under the influence and the judge (man) continually ruled in her favor, I am glad to say after 2 years he was able to obtain custody, and no she does not pay child support and imo, she should. The entire system needs overhauled. Back to my original post, a heart-felt honest discussion could prevent a lot of this.

thank u from the bottom of my heart, I thought I was the only one.

--> I was wondering about Rocky. Nope to Gladiators. Need nother clue? "With enough courage, you can do without a reputation."

Thanks I think i got it -->

This is a hot spot topic for alot of people, (me if you didn't notice, and I smile as I write that) saying that, I hope and pray that I never get divorced again, and that none of you suffer that pain as well, if you are in the middle of one I pray it will move quickly. Noone gets married planning for divorce, they are heart wrenching to be involved with even as an observer. My point in all of this is that 2 adults decied to get married, have children then these 2 adults for WHATEVER reason get divorced. It is the right thing for both parties to put the children 1st, the adults had them, it is their moral and legal obligation to take care of them, thats all. Oh, I also HATE when woman use child support to manipilate visitation, I wish that people would step back and try(as hard as it is) to look at both sides. And for the record my Ex. is the best father and friend I could ever ask for, I love him dearly and want nothing but the best for him. ( just in case some one thinks my anger comes from ex. it doesn't)

I don't know how to quote sorry. Galen, your comment about income is insulting at best, what about sahms? These women spend their lives taking care of home and family, what income did they ever get? Another fact is that men still get paid more that women, they are still the main money earner. After a divorce, children need stability, and that includes continuity in as many things as possible. It is unfair for PARENTS to change the childs lifestyle, if you could afford to pay for Johnny's hockey lessons before hand why not after? And you have really focused on the "bad woman" what about men who leave their first family, get married have a whole new faimly and totally disregard the first one. Happens, alot.

Galen, I do not mean to be argumentative but I find it absolutely impossible to believe that a woman could be granted a divorce on dessertion, while her husband is at sea. That is the most ludracris thing I have ever heard. And a question, how long are your tours? Because I can not find one state that will grant a divorce on the grounds of dessertion with out the spouse being gone for at least 18 months, I could be wrong but I don't think so. Not only that divorce papers would be sent to the soldiers last known address, which I would assume would be their base, which means to me that a fellow soldier would sign for them. Would you like me to believe that this soldier would not foward them accordingly, or notify his superior officer? I seriously doubt that an officer in the United States Navy, having recieved legal documents served on one of his soldiers would not take the appropriate steps to notify the courts that the person served was at sea. I am not in the milatary, and I have never been. I could be wrong, but I do understand the milatary (having grown up in and around it) and I find this paticular senario unlikely at best.

and one last thing and please dont take this wrong but you being unemployeed (for what ever reason) should in no way affect your child support. Often people withhold money that they normaly would have given gladly to their child, because of anger to their ex. The REAL commitment in life is children, they did not ask to be here and have very little say in what happens to them, because we as parents have issues it is not their fault. I am not saying thats what any of you do, but it is done.

When a man and woman get engaged, there are many many discussions about many things but very rarely is divorced mentioned. The truth is and most people do not like it marriage is a CONTRACT, filed with the state you live in, it is not unlike an employment contract. Before people get upset with my clinical attitude think about it, an employer promises you A.B.C., for you doing E.F.G. and you get paid, if you do not fufill E.F.G. the contract is null and void, and if you are a relatively decent buisness person you will have written down the consaquences of breaking said contract. The employee will have clauses placed in the contract to protect themselves, ie. employer fires me, hires some one younger and quicker on the typewriter. I have been married-divorced-remarried. My second marriage is based on love mutual respect and friendship, he is my soulmate, my bestfriend and the person I want to grow old with, having said that below is a section of my "Ketubah" "Be my wife according to the laws and traditions of Moses and Israel. I will work, honor, feed, and support you in the custom of Jewish men, who work, honor, feed, and support their wives faithfully. I will give you the settlement (mohar) of virgins, two hundred silver zuzim, which is due you according to Torah law, as well as your food, clothing, necessities of life, and conjugal needs, according to the universal custom." Miss agreed and became his wife. This dowry that she brought from her father's house, whether in silver, gold, jewelry, clothing, home furnishings, or bedding, Mr. , our bridegroom, accepts as being worth one hundred silver pieces (zekukim). Our bridegroom, Mr. agreed, and of his own accord, added an additional one hundred silver pieces (zekukim) paralleling the above. The entire amount is then two hundred silver pieces (zekukim). Mr. , our bridegroom made this declaration: "The obligation of this marriage contract, this dowry, and this additional amount, I accept upon myself and my heirs after me. It can be paid from the entire best part of the properties and possessions that I own under all the heavens, whether I own (this property) already, or will own it in the future. (It includes) both mortgageable property and non-mortgageable preperty. All of it shall be mortgaged and bound as security to pay this marriage contract, this dowry, and this additional amount. (It can be taken) from me, even from the shirt on my back, during my lifetime, and after my lifetime, from this day and forever." This is a traditional contract, it hangs above my bed, I also have an elaborate pre-nup that outlines what would happen in specific situations. ie: he cheats, I cheat with children and with-out. My attorney and I came up with as many senarios as possible and the consequences of them, and it was hard. I have no simpathy for people in there second, third or more marriage who get divorced and say how could this have happened. You've been there you know the drill. No reasonable buisness person would sign a contract (or any other legal document for that matter) with out reading it and understanding it. That's just foolhardy. And one last thing HCW I read your post and my heart hurts for you, but I must humbly disagree with some things you said. The courts will more likely than not try to keep the children with their mother and siblings, because the children of divorce have to deal with the loss of so many things that keeping somethings the same is the kindess thing we can do. You and Galen, have been batering around how well women do after divorce, that is simply not true. It is a fact that women more often then not suffer economically after a divorce. As for the rules of child support, they are harsh, but necessary you seem to be an honorable man, not all are(nor are all women) but children need to eat and have clothing and shelter no matter what. It is not uncommon for child support to be used as a power tool between the adults, and truth be told whomever gets custody of the children face the most financial burden. My ex-husband pays $1000.00 a month (2 kids), sounds good right? Fact my medical insurance costs $650.00 a month. I'm not whining just pointing something out. Sorry so long, but imho worth reading

"You go into the arena alone. The lions are hunry for you"

No... need another clue?