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Been a long, long time since I read the Blue Book (shudders) Did he discuss the full context (from 2 Tim 1:15 through 2:27)? I ask, because I think it adds so much...

Unless you're the poster with the handle "Allan" (from NZ), I wasn't being harassed. You don't sound like you've got the same tone of posting, so I am not assuming you are he. However, the resemblence between your handles is striking. If you are the same poster, you must have applied for a new account, rather than just doing a handle change. The poster known as "Allan" used to follow me around and apply liberal harassment at anything I post due to me being Catholic (a member of the Harlot of Babylon, don't ya know). If you are the same poster as the person who used the handle "Allan" (as opposed to "Allan W"), then she would be entitled to her comments. If not, I'm sure you have the opportunity to clarify that fact. Either way, no the comment you made didn't offend me in the slightest bit. But thanks for asking!

Clay, I think you really nailed it here...capturing the real issue with that verse. This is the big thing I have against pulling verses out of context, like how we were exhorted to do through PFAL and those retemories. I Tim 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Like you say, that verse is used to exhort people to study hard... How do you stand approved before God, dont cha know? Remember how Wierwille used to tell the Greek definitions...well, he only did so when it was convenient...and this wasn't one of those cases (for him) Study - spoudazo - Strong's 4704 - it means "to hasten, to exert ones self..." Other places used include Eph 4:3 (Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace), 1 Th 2:17 (endeavor), Titus 3:12 (be diligent), etc. Doesn't have anything to do with cracking the books... If people took a look at it in the context, they'd be able to see that so clearly: The context starts in verse 1, where Paul exhorts him to be strong in the faith...and then talks about characteristics that he needs to display and teach and exhort to his flock (after all, Timothy was the Bishop of Ephesus) The context keeps going through this verse and talks then about what to avoid... The verse 1 Tim 2:15 is a beautiful verse, but we were all taught to pull it out of context and use it in a way that it wasn't presented and we nullified the tremendous truth and learning that we could get from that, in the way that it was intended by the apostle who wrote the letter. I appreciate you bringing that verse out, though, Clay. I think the way you put it was beautiful. When you said: it ain't easy! to kill that carnal old man... always have to be diligent yes diligent-study If you look at the remainder of that section, that's what Paul is exhorting Timothy to do...to be patient, longsuffering, enduring all for the sake of Christ. And to be diligent in straightly that which was revealed... (truth is the greek word "aletheia" from "a" (negation) and "lanthano" (to be hidden)...therefore, that which is revealed) (an interesting jewel from this section is Paul analogizing Timothy's role in this regard as a soldier, an athelete, a farmer, and a worker...something useful for consideration, btw)

Yes, Allan, it does. Although I would prefer to characterize myself as an apologist for classic, historical, apostolic Christianity. Because I usually try to keep those beliefs that are uniquely Latin segregated from those that are universal to apostolic Christianity (and if I do mention them, I always try to clearly identify them as such).

Congratulations. I'm glad you recognize that for what it is now (although I think you did before, anyway). And, for those TWI apologists out there, I am not saying a thing bad in the world about the Bible, studying the Bible, or believing the Bible. But, as I've said before (and as others here have said, as well), the Bible reaveals God to us. The Bible isn't God.

mstar, happy to oblige... VALENTINE of RomePriest in Rome, possibly a bishop. Physician. Imprisoned for giving aid to martyrs in prison, and while there converted the jailer by restoring sight to the jailer's daughter. While Valentine of Terni and Valentine of Rome sometimes have separate entries in martyrologies and biographies, most scholars believe they are the same person. Died: beaten and beheaded c.269 at Rome; buried on the Flaminian Way; relics later translated to the Church of Saint Praxedes VALENTINEProfile Sister of Saint Fructus and Saint Engratia. Martyred by invading Moors. Died: martyred c.715; relics at Segovia, Spain VALENTINEProfile Martyr. No other information has survived. Died: martyred c.305 The origins of the customs are sort of confused. There is this one: There are several theories about the origin of Valentine's Day celebrations. Some believe the Romans had a mid-February custom where boys drew girls' names in honor of the sex and fertility goddess, Februata Juno; pastors "baptised" this holiday, like some others, by substituting the names of saints such as Valentine to suppress the practice. Others maintain that the custom of sending Valentines on 14 February stems from the belief that birds begin to pair on that date. By 1477 the English associated lovers with the feast of Valentine because on that day "every bird chooses him a mate." The custom started of men and women writing love letters to their Valentine on this day. Other "romance" traditions have become attached to this feast, including pinning bay leaves to your pillow on Valentine's Eve so that you will see your future mate that night in your dreams. Or there's this one: According to church tradition St. Valentine was a priest near Rome in about the year 270 A.D. At that time the Roman Emperor Claudius-II who had issued an edict forbidding marriage. This was around when the heyday of Roman empire had almost come to an end. Lack of quality administrators led to frequent civil strife. Learning declined, taxation increased, and trade slumped to a low, precarious level. And the Gauls, Slavs, Huns, Turks and Mongolians from Northern Europe and Asian increased their pressure on the empire's boundaries. The empire was grown too large to be shielded from external aggression and internal chaos with existing forces. Thus more of capable men were required to be recruited as soldiers and officers. When Claudius became the emperor, he felt that married men were more emotionally attached to their families, and thus, will not make good soldiers. So to assure quality soldiers, he banned marriage. Valentine, a bishop , seeing the trauma of young lovers, met them in a secret place, and joined them in the sacrament of matrimony. Claudius learned of this "friend of lovers," and had him arrested. The emperor, impressed with the young priest's dignity and conviction, attempted to convert him to the roman gods, to save him from certain execution. Valentine refused to recognize Roman Gods and even attempted to convert the emperor, knowing the consequences fully. On February 24, 270, Valentine was executed. The Catholic Encyclopedia says the following: At least three different Saint Valentines, all of them martyrs, are mentioned in the early martyrologies under date of 14 February. One is described as a priest at Rome, another as bishop of Interamna (modern Terni), and these two seem both to have suffered in the second half of the third century and to have been buried on the Flaminian Way, but at different distances from the city. In William of Malmesbury's time what was known to the ancients as the Flaminian Gate of Rome and is now the Porta del Popolo, was called the Gate of St. Valentine. The name seems to have been taken from a small church dedicated to the saint which was in the immediate neighborhood. Of both these St. Valentines some sort of Acta are preserved but they are of relatively late date and of no historical value. Of the third Saint Valentine, who suffered in Africa with a number of companions, nothing further is known. Saint Valentine's Day The popular customs associated with Saint Valentine's Day undoubtedly had their origin in a conventional belief generally received in England and France during the Middle Ages, that on 14 February, i.e. half way through the second month of the year, the birds began to pair. Thus in Chaucer's Parliament of Foules we read: For this was sent on Seynt Valentyne's day Whan every foul cometh ther to choose his mate. For this reason the day was looked upon as specially consecrated to lovers and as a proper occasion for writing love letters and sending lovers' tokens. Both the French and English literatures of the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries contain allusions to the practice. Perhaps the earliest to be found is in the 34th and 35th Ballades of the bilingual poet, John Gower, written in French; but Lydgate and Clauvowe supply other examples. Those who chose each other under these circumstances seem to have been called by each other their Valentines. In the Paston Letters, Dame Elizabeth Brews writes thus about a match she hopes to make for her daughter (we modernize the spelling), addressing the favoured suitor: And, cousin mine, upon Monday is Saint Valentine's Day and every bird chooses himself a mate, and if it like you to come on Thursday night, and make provision that you may abide till then, I trust to God that ye shall speak to my husband and I shall pray that we may bring the matter to a conclusion. Shortly after the young lady herself wrote a letter to the same man addressing it "Unto my rightwell beloved Valentine, John Paston Esquire". The custom of choosing and sending valentines has of late years fallen into comparative desuetude. So, as far as stories, I see nothing terribly authoritative. Take your pick!

Hindus, Muslims burn Valentine's Day cards in India 14 Feb 2006 12:41:01 GMT NEW DELHI, Feb 14 (Reuters) - Hardline Hindu groups and radical Muslims burned Valentine's Day greeting cards on Tuesday and held protests across India against celebrating the festival of love, saying it was a Western import that spread immorality. (snip) On Tuesday, protests were held in the capital New Delhi, some towns in the country's south and the only Muslim state of Jammu and Kashmir, where an Islamic insurgency has raged since 1989. About two dozen women separatists, veiled in black from head to toe, rummaged shops and burnt Valentine's Day cards in Srinagar, Kashmir's summer capital, witnesses said. "Valentine's Day spreads immorality among the youth," Asiya Andrabi of the Dukhtaran-e-Milat (Daughters of the Muslim Faith), a group of women separatists, said in a statement. "We appeal to our children to stay away from this western culture." (remainder snipped) Is it: [*]Another evil bit of American cultural imperialism corrupting the pure, unadulterated culture of true peace and true love native to India? - or - [*]Some people with far, far, far too much time on their hands?

Source: Boston Herald Date: 14 Feb 2005 Gotcha!: TrueDater.com lets users debunk dating service profiles By Rochelle Stewart Tuesday, February 14, 2006 He loves her. She loves him not. Sonia Paz, a divorced 33-year-old single mother, jumped into the online dating scene about two years ago. “Being a single mother, I didn’t have the energy to go to a bar or club,” she said. “So I figured I’d post an ad (online). I got a response and it was great.” She dated and even met someone she fell hard for. Though she dated him for more than a year, she said he remained aloof and she felt as though she didn’t know him very well. When she mentioned this to him, she said he would respond with “cutesy” answers that she “bought because (she) really wanted it to work out.” But in the end, it did not. Then a friend told her about TrueDater.com. TrueDater.com is a free online dating review and community Web site that connects users from popular sites to share information and review truthfulness of dating profiles. Recently, TrueDater.com celebrated its firstanniversary and expanded its service to include truth reviews for users of eHarmony and MySpace.com. The site also lets you view or submit truth reviews for users of Match.com, Yahoo Personals, hotornot.com, planetout.com and blacksingles.com. According to TrueDater.com spokesman Jamie Diamond, membership has grown more than 50 percent in the past six months. Paz signed up and entered a truth review about the man she had been seeing. “I didn’t post anything mean, because you are not allowed,” she said. “But I did say that I didn’t think he was being honest. I also said when I asked him direct questions, he wouldn’t give me direct answers.” Not long after, Paz noticed that another user had submitted a truth review about the same person. TrueDater.com allows its users to e-mail one another, so Paz contacted the other poster, and learned her former fling was not who he said he was. “Turns out that not only was he married, but he has two kids,” she said. (remainder snipped) For those who are in the market, this might be a really useful tool to verify who it is you've met via that online service.

Let's try a controversial subject for once... Is it important in the way that God set up the "economy of salvation" as He did, that Jesus was a male? In other words, given everything else listed in the Bible, could Jesus have been born a female and accomplished what he did? Or, had Jesus been a female, would it have required a reworking of many, many areas in the Bible that would significantly change the core content of the Bible? On edit: Although you are more than welcome to simply state your opinion, it would be very helpful if you could provide some kind of a scriptural foundation upon which you base that opinion (this is the "doctrinal" forum, after all!)

So I wonder if the Bushies have created the Bureau of Predictive Enforcement as part of DHS yet?

I think others have expressed this, but my little variant... It was the hardest thing in the world for me to stop believing in my believing in God and to start believing in God. To truly let Jesus become Lord. I had years and years of hard work being a "mighty Way Believer" that I had to eradicate in my life in order to do so. Consider the Lord's Prayer (the Our Father): Our Father Who Art in Heaven Hallowed be Thy Name Thy Kingdom Come Thy Will be Done On Earth as it is in Heaven etc. and "Not my will but Thine be done" Then consider the lives of the apostles and lives of the other saints. They completely, without exception, abandoned their wills to do the Will of God. And a lot of times they wouldn't know where that Will of God would lead them or what would be the outcome when they stepped out. Scourged, whipped, and eventually dead was the almost sure end for all the apostles (with literally one exception). And they didn't care. They trusted God to such a degree that it simply didn't matter what happened in the temporal life. But consider what was taught through TWI: name it and claim it. Get your needs and wants in parallel. Find the verse, memorize it, keep it in your mind, and then start thanking God for having provided it to you already. In other words, we (at least I) was taught to demand from God what we saw as needs by demanding He operate according to one verse or another (as often as not, a verse taken out of context). Remember the blank checks? (What was it, 5 of them?) "I can do all things through Christ who strengtheneth me" was often translated to mean "I can drive however I'd like and the cops won't pull me over" or some other form of stupidity -- and then, followed by condemnation while the cop was writing the ticket (Man, I must not have been walking) and so on... And when we practice in that way and use the Scriptures as a tool to accomplish our desires like how we were instructed via the TWI law of believing, have we made Jesus our Lord or have we made Jesus our servant? Are we giving reverence and obedience or desiring to be the object of reverence and obedience? It was tough, though, because, as with so many things, VPW was not the originator of this theology. And there are lots of examples even out of TWI where that theology is practiced and taught. (e.g., the "Word-Faith" movement -- which makes up the bulk of the televangelists around). And so even outside of the TWI influence, we still get peppered with that theology at many turns and many clicks of the TV remote. So do I believe in my believing? I believe in God the Father Almighty. And Jesus Christ, His only Son, Our Lord. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life. But do I have my confidence in my believing? No.

My wife has had tinnitus in her right ear. Has had for 15 years. It followed middle/inner ear damage caused when we were flying in a C-141 that lost pressure at altitude...she had a headcold at the time and the pressure differential blew something out because her eustachean (sp?) tube was blocked and she couldn't equalize. She got a hearing aid a couple of years ago and that seemed to help at those times when it is especially bad. Her balance is easily messed up too. Not equally bad all the time. Ear damage can be a b*tch. Affects a whole lot of the body's systems.

Actually, I don't see PFAL as a threat to any Christian validity (not simply Catholic validity). I see PFAL as a threat to people's souls.

In this day and age, I'd be more concerned if I saw a Salvadoran flag on a flagpole in my neighborhood. Otherwise, I agree with Linzee

Mike, Mark, I step aside from your level and type of objectivity, but I appreciate your open honesty and wish Raf were this open with his deep intents in his “AE in PFAL” thread. You wrote: “I, for one, would think that it is 'fair use' if we were to take a chapter at a time (or some smaller division if a reasonable division could be made) and rip it apart.” I make no bones that my belief is that PFAL is a dangerous course that, in the main, serves to deceive its students. I believe that it is the "foundational course" that leads its students into a dangerous theology whose end result is self-idolatry. From its initial citation of John 10:10, it is becoming increasingly apparent to me that the only virtue of the course is strictly incidental to its actual content. "Rip it apart" was a reference to a close examination, a dissection, if you will (or even if you won't). The goal being to document where, exactly, each section is in error (or, as unlikely as it is, where it's on the mark). Why rip it apart? Because it is unlikely that there will be much left following that dissection. Thus, rip it apart. Of course, there are a few who would not care to see that document placed under that degree of scrutiny. Hopefully that makes it a little clearer.

I checked the US Copyright Office database to see what works were copyrighted and what their status was. Here's what I found: 1. Registration Number: RE-653-041 Title: Are the dead alive now? By aVictor Paul Wierwille. Claimant: Dorothea K. Wierwille (W) Effective Registration Date: 20Jul99 Original Registration Date: 29Oct71; Original Registration Number: A427317. Original Class: A 59. Registration Number: TX-672-319 Title: Jesus Christ, our Passover / Victor Paul Wierwille. Imprint: New Knoxville, Ohio : American Christian Press, Way International, 1980. Description: 527 p.ISBN: ISBN 0-910068-30-5. Claimant: The acWay International Created: 1980 Published: 31Dec80 Registered: 15Apr81 Author on © Application: The Way International, employer for hire of Victor Paul Wierwille. Special Codes: 1/B/D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 60. Registration Number: TX-742-477 Title: The Word's way / Victor Paul Wierwille. Imprint: New Knoxville, Ohio : American Christian Press, c1971. Description: 276 p. Series: Studies in abundant living ; v. 3ISBN: ISBN 0-910068-12-7. Claimant: The acWay International Name in © Notice: notice: The Way, Inc. Created: 1971 Published: 25Dec71 Registered: 28Jul81 Author on © Application: The Way International, employer for hire of Victor Paul Wierwille. Special Codes: 1/B/D 61. Registration Number: TX-742-478 Title: The New, dynamic church / Victor Paul Wierwille. Imprint: New Knoxville, Ohio : American Christian Press, c1971. Description: 242 p. Series: Studies in abundant living ; v. 2ISBN: ISBN 0-910068-11-9. Claimant: The acWay International Name in © Notice: notice: The Way, Inc. Created: 1971 Published: 20Sep71 Registered: 28Jul81 Author on © Application: The Way International, employer for hire of Victor Paul Wierwille. Special Codes: 1/B/D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 62. Registration Number: TX-742-507 Title: Studies in abundant living / Victor Paul Wierwille. Imprint: New Knoxville, Ohio : American Christian Press, c1977. Description: 266 p. Series: God's magnified word ; v. 4ISBN: ISBN 0-910068-13-5. Claimant: The acWay International Created: 1977 Published: 30Nov77 Registered: 28Jul81 Author on © Application: text: The Way International, employer for hire of Victor Paul Wierwille. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: additions to & critical annotations of Scripture. Special Codes: 1/B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 63. Registration Number: TX-787-413 Title: Receiving the Holy Spirit today / Victor Paul Wierwille. Edition: Rev. 6th ed. Imprint: New Knoxville, Ohio : American Christian Press, c1972. Description: 360 p.ISBN: ISBN 0-910068-25-9. Claimant: The acWay International Name in © Notice: notice: The Way, Inc. Created: 1980 Published: 30Jul80 Registered: 13Oct81 Author on © Application: entire text: The Way International, employer for hire of Victor Paul Wierwille. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: additions. Special Codes: 1/B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 64. Registration Number: TX-890-714 Title: The Bible tells me so / Victor Paul Wierwille. Description: 196 p. Series: Studies in abundant living ; v. 1 Claimant: The Way International (whose corporate name on the date of publication was The Way, Inc.) Created: 1971 Published: 20Sep71 Registered: 13Sep81 Author on © Application: The acWay, Inc., employer for hire of Victor Paul Wierwille. Miscellaneous: C.O. corres. Special Codes: 1/B/D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 65. Registration Number: TX-949-563 Title: Receiving the holy spirit today : a study of how to receive the holy spirit, pneuma hagion, "power from on high," and the various manifestations and operations of that spirit / Victor Paul Wierwille. Edition: Deluxe 7th ed., [special 40th anniversary ed.] Description: 1 v. in box. Claimant: The acWay International Created: 1982 Published: 19Jun82 Registered: 30Jul82 Author on © Application: entire text: The Way International (employer for hire of Victor Paul Wierwille) Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: additions. Special Codes: 1/B/D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 66. Registration Number: TX-992-449 Title: Receiving the Holy Spirit today / Victor Paul Wierwille. Edition: 6th ed. Imprint: New Knoxville, Ohio : American Christian Press, 1972. Description: 358 p. Claimant: The acWay, Inc. Created: 1971 Published: 1Jan72 Registered: 13Oct81 Author on © Application: The Way, Inc., employer for hire of Victor Paul Wierwille. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: additions. Miscellaneous: C.O. corres. Special Codes: 1/B/D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 67. Registration Number: TX-1-035-780 Title: Jesus Christ our promised seed / Victor Paul Wierwille. Imprint: New Knoxville, Ohio : American Christian Press, c1982. Description: 306 p. Claimant: The acWay International Created: 1982 Published: 26Sep82 Registered: 9Dec82 Author on © Application: written text: The Way International, employer for hire of Victor Paul Wierwille. Special Codes: 1/B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 68. Registration Number: TX-1-101-689 Title: Receiving the Holy Spirit today / by Victor Paul Wierwille. Edition: 3d rev. and enl. ed. Description: Sheets. Claimant: The acWay, Inc. Created: 1956 Published: 1Jan57 Registered: 14Mar83 Author on © Application: entire text: The Way, Inc., employer for hire of Victor Paul Wierwille. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: additions. Miscellaneous: C.O. corres. Special Codes: 1/B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 69. Registration Number: TX-1-472-616 Title: Uncle Harry. Note: Cataloged from appl. Claimant: The acWay International Created: 1978 Published: 1Nov78 Registered: 13Dec84 Author on © Application: text, pref., and introd.: The Way International, employer for hire of Harry Ernst Wierwille Martin, Victor Paul Wierwille & Karen Wierwille. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: text, pref., and ill. Special Codes: 1/B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 70. Registration Number: TX-1-530-128 Title: Order my steps in Thy word / Victor Paul Wierwille. Imprint: New Knoxville, Ohio : American Christian Press, 1985. Description: 292 p. Series: Studies in abundant living ; v. 5 Claimant: The acWay International Created: 1985 Published: 17Mar85 Registered: 28Mar85 Author on © Application: entire text: The Way International, employer for hire of Victor Paul Wierwille. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: additional text. Miscellaneous: See also Order my steps in Thy word; REG 3May85; TX 1-601-339 Special Codes: 1/B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 71. Registration Number: TX-1-601-339 Title: Order my steps in Thy word. By The Way International, employer for hire of Victor Paul Wierwille. Claimant: The acWay International Supplement to Registration: TX 1-530-128, 1985 Effective Registration Date: 3May85 Title on © Application: Studies in abundant living, volume V (alternative ti.: Order my steps in Thy word) (on original appl.: Order my steps in Thy word) Special Codes: 1/B/L -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 72. Registration Number: TX-1-738-272 Title: Life lines / quotations of Victor Paul Wierwille. Edition: 1st ed. Imprint: New Knoxville, Ohio : American Christian Press, 1985. Description: 136 p. Claimant: the acWay International Created: 1985 Published: 31Dec85 Registered: 16Jan86 Author on © Application: entire text: the Way International, employer for hire. Special Codes: 1/B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 73. Registration Number: TX-1-894-857 Title: Foundational class power for abundant living : workbook / Victor Paul Wierwille. Description: sheets (55 p.) Claimant: the acWay International Created: 1986 Published: 6Mar86 Registered: 16Jan86 Author on © Application: rev. text: the Way International, employer for hire. Previous Related Version: Appl. identifies Power for abundant living class syllabus, registered 1971, as preexisting material. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: "revised new text." Miscellaneous: C.O. corres. Special Codes: 1/B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 74. Registration Number: TX-2-182-608 Title: Advanced class power for abundant living / Victor Paul Wierwille. Description: 1 v. Claimant: acThe Way International Created: 1979 Published: 31Dec81 Registered: 19Jun87 Author on © Application: The Way International, employer for hire. Previous Related Version: Preexisting material: Advanced class on power for abundant living. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: compilation & additions. Miscellaneous: C.O. corres. Special Codes: 1/B/D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 75. Registration Number: TX-2-681-449 Title: The Same : exhaustive scripture index of teachings / by Victor Paul Wierwille ; compiled by Terry C. Wilson. Description: 219 p. Claimant: Terry C. Wilson Created: 1989 Published: 25Aug89 Registered: 11Sep89 Miscellaneous: C.O. corres. Special Codes: 1/B/D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 76. Registration Number: TX-3-454-166 Title: Jesus Christ, our Passover / Victor Paul Wierwille. Edition: Illustrated ed. Description: 556 p. Claimant: acWay International (employer for hire of Meg Kish, author of ill., & Victor Paul Wierwille) Created: 1992 Published: 12Oct92 Registered: 14Dec92 Previous Related Version: Prev. reg. 1981, TX 672-319. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: 8 ill. Special Codes: 1/B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 77. Registration Number: TX-4-459-377 Title: Christians should be prosperous / Victor Paul Wierwille. Description: 31 p. Claimant: acWay International (employer for hire) Created: 1985 Published: 1Sep85 Registered: 11Mar96 Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: revisions. Miscellaneous: C.O. corres. Special Codes: 1/B/D -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 78. Registration Number: TX-4-831-987 Title: The life-style of a believer : a prolegomenon on Christian ethics / Victor Paul Wierwille. Description: 17 p. Claimant: acWay International (employer for hire) Created: 1981 Published: 15Jun81 Registered: 10Feb98 Miscellaneous: C.O. corres. Special Codes: 1/B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 79. Registration Number: TX-5-306-155 Title: The Bible tells me so / Victor Paul Wierwille. Imprint: New Knoxville, OH : American Christian Press, c1999. Description: 222 p. Series: Studies in abundant living ; vol. 1 Claimant: acWay International (whose corporate name on the date of publication was Way, Inc., in 1971) (employer for hire) Created: 1999 Published: 14Jan01 Registered: 14Feb01 Previous Related Version: Prev. reg. 1981, TX 890-714 & 1971, A271282. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: revisions. Special Codes: 1/B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 80. Registration Number: TX-5-466-948 Title: The word's way / Victor Paul Wierwille. Edition: 2nd ed. Imprint: New Knoxville, OH : American Christian Press, 2001. Description: 316 p. Series: Studies in abundant living ; vol. 3 Claimant: The acWay International (employer for hire) Created: 2001 Published: 13Jan02 Registered: 25Jan02 Previous Related Version: Prev. reg. 1981, TX 742-477. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: revisions & additions. Special Codes: 1/B 81. Registration Number: TX-5-466-949 Title: God's magnified word / Victor Paul Wierwille. Edition: 2nd ed. Imprint: New Knoxville, OH : American Christian Press, 2001. Description: 308 p. Series: Studies in abundant living ; vol. 4 Claimant: The acWay International (employer for hire) Created: 2001 Published: 13Jan02 Registered: 25Jan02 Previous Related Version: Prev. reg. 1981, TX 742-507. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: revisions & additions. Special Codes: 1/B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 82. Registration Number: TX-5-506-251 Title: The new, dynamic church / Victor Paul Wierwille. Edition: 2nd ed. Imprint: New Knoxville, OH : American Christian Press, 2000. Description: 280 p. Series: Studies in abundant living ; vol. 2 Claimant: acWay International (employer for hire) Created: 2001 Published: 29Apr01 Registered: 7May01 Previous Related Version: Prev. reg. 1971, TX 742-478. Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: revisions. Special Codes: 1/B/L -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 83. Registration Number: TXu-295-411 Title: Power for abundant living / Victor Paul Wierwille. Description: 1 v., sheets & cards (70 p.) Note: Includes instructor's guide, flip chart cues & visual aid charts. Claimant: the acWay International Created: 1968 Registered: 19Jun87 Author on © Application: the Way International, employer for hire. Miscellaneous: C.O. corres. Special Codes: 1/B There are other works, but they are videotape/audiotape. From what I understand, the copyright will expire 95 years after its first publication. So, according to this, the first one that would be available would be RHST...and that one in 2051. The copyright law says the following about "Fair Use:" § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use38 Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include — (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors. So it's apparent that the work, as a whole, would be under copyright protection for several more years. Two options (either one of which could be used). First, there is "fair use." I, for one, would think that it is 'fair use' if we were to take a chapter at a time (or some smaller division if a reasonable division could be made) and rip it apart. That falls under the concept of criticism and scholarship...particularly considering that the book is not readily available. Second, since we know that significant portions of the document are plagarized (without attribution), it would be questionable whether it is a legitimate copyright in the first place: § 102. Subject matter of copyright: In general26 (a) Copyright protection subsists, in accordance with this title, in original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression, now known or later developed, from which they can be perceived, reproduced, or otherwise communicated, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. Works of authorship include the following categories: (1) literary works; (snip) (b) In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work. § 103. Subject matter of copyright: Compilations and derivative works (a) The subject matter of copyright as specified by section 102 includes compilations and derivative works, but protection for a work employing preexisting material in which copyright subsists does not extend to any part of the work in which such material has been used unlawfully. (b) The copyright in a compilation or derivative work extends only to the material contributed by the author of such work, as distinguished from the preexisting material employed in the work, and does not imply any exclusive right in the preexisting material. The copyright in such work is independent of, and does not affect or enlarge the scope, duration, ownership, or subsistence of, any copyright protection in the preexisting material. So the estates of the person who originally authored the works plagarized by Wierwille might find it in their interest to file a complaint with the Copyright office, on the basis of plagarism. They might be able to get some significant amount of damages, as well. (Think about it...if VPW plagarized 10% of PFAL from a book by Kenyon and 25% from a book by Stiles...then in theory Kenyon's estate should be entitled to 10% of the proceeds that TWI got from the sale of PFAL and Stiles' estate should be able to get 25%...that would be sort of fun seeing TWI's lawyers fend off plagarism accusations, now wouldn't it?) BTW, sorry for the length of the post, but there was a lot of data on the US Copyright Office's site that was pertinent)

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Ann Compton (ABC White House Correspondant) on the WMAL Morning News right now: Thank Goodness he shot a fellow Republican. Can you imagine the reaction had this involved a Democrat.....

James and Sarah Brady Comment on the Vice President's Hunting Mishap 2/12/2006 5:40:00 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: National Desk Contact: Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, 202-289-5792 WASHINGTON, Feb. 12 /U.S. Newswire/ -- James and Sarah Brady made comments today related to Vice President Cheney's reportedly accidental shooting yesterday in Texas. "Now I understand why Dick Cheney keeps asking me to go hunting with him," said Jim Brady. "I had a friend once who accidentally shot pellets into his dog - and I thought he was an idiot." "I've thought Cheney was scary for a long time," Sarah Brady said. "Now I know I was right to be nervous." Predictable...

Since Cheney's marksmanship skills (or lack thereof) are in the news, I wanted to share a couple of good jokes along a similar vein: Warning!This joke is in exceeding bad taste and is very politically incorrect. If you object to jokes in poor taste leave now. OK, you've been warned: Bush and Cheney are sitting in a bar. Somebody walks in and asks the bartender, "Isn't that Bush and Cheney sitting over there?" The bartender says, "Sure is." So the gentleman walks over and says, "Wow, this is a real honor! What are you guys doing in here?" Bush says, "We're planning WW III." And the guy says, "Really? What's going to happen?" Bush says, "Well, we're going to kill 140 million Muslims and one blonde with large tatas." The guy exclaimed, "A blonde with large tatas? Why kill a blonde with large tatas?" Bush turns to Cheney and says, "See, I told you no one CARES about the 140 million Muslims". Warning! This joke is also in exceeding bad taste and is very politically incorrect. If you object to jokes in poor taste leave now. OK, you've been warned (again): On a tour of Texas, the Pope took a couple of days off to visit the coastal area for some sightseeing. He was cruising along the sea wall on Galveston Isle in his Pope mobile when suddenly he notices a frantic commotion just off shore. There was John Kerry struggling frantically to free himself from the jaws of a 25-foot shark. As the Pope watched, horrified, a speedboat came racing up with two men aboard. One of the men, President George W. Bush quickly fired a harpoon into the shark's side while Dick Cheney reached out and pulled the bleeding, semi-conscious John Kerry from the water. Then using baseball bats, the two heroes beat the shark to death and hauled it into the boat. Immediately the Pope shouted and summoned them to the beach. "I give you my blessings for your brave actions," he told them. "I heard that there was some bitter hatred between President Bush and John Kerry, but now I have seen with my own eyes that this is not true." As the Pope drove off, President Bush asked Dick "Who was that?" It was the Pope," Dick replied. "He is in direct contact with God and has all of God's wisdom." Well," President Bush said, "he may have access to God's wisdom, but he doesn't know squat about shark fishing................how's the bait holding up?"

Man ought to be charged with attempted murder...that's all there is to it. What's he going out trying to torture innocent, cute little birds, anyway?

To get some kind of closure on that chapter of my life. To answer the question, "What happened?" I got more of an answer to that then I bargained for. Having said that, I don't know why I stuck around...there's really no good reason for it...sort of like cigarettes, very habit forming. I guess I need to be a bigger (in the words of another beloved poster) son of a b1tch so I'll get booted and move on. Because it's apparent that I won't do it on my own.

11-1/2 inches in the northern suburbs

I would do that (keep privacy settings up pretty high) regardless anyway. Particularly for an online class. But the man does make a decent point, having said that.