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I'd like to add my thanks, too, Pawtucket. This little place has become a welcome "site" for me and a place to look forward to. Can't possible tell you what it has meant since I discovered it. Thanks, and God bless you and yours. Happy Holidays!

HWC-Your story about the cassorole incident sounds identical to an occurance in the Tenth corps, except it was, in our case, Al**n Sm**h (right, the girl from Scotland with the wonderful accent?) announcing "Seconds are available" and Richard Thomas who reamed us out. Whatever happened to him? P.S. I had a few tours working in the kitchen with Willie, both at Emporia and Gunnison, and a kinder, sweeter man you've never met. He had a way of keeping my head on straight when I was about to lose it many times. P.S.S. My apologies to the 8th and 10th Corps for the occasional interesting creations that came out of the kitchen: we had a menu plan and were stuck with it. How did you like the poppyseed dressing? That was one of my creations. Sure liked the wheat bread right out of the oven!

1. Time: 3:22 p.m 2. Name: Depends on what forum I'm in 3. Nickname: Too boring to have one 4. Piercings: None-hate pain 5. Recent movie: Oceans Twelve (Please God let there not be a thirteen!) 6. Eye color: Blue 7. Birthplace: Texas, God Bless it! 8. Favorite foods: Steak & onions, pumpkin pie with whipped cream 9. Toilet papered: No, just the victim back in the sixties-I actually think they were trashing my mother- for good reason-did that sound bitter? 10. Love someone that made me cry: Yes 11. Car Accident: Twice-it's my way of trading up. 12. Favorite day: Saturday, when "COPS" is on. 13. Favorite resturant: Joe's Crab Shack 14. Flower: Bluebonnets 15. Favorite sport to watch: Football 16. Favorite drink: Jack & Coke (Jack & Pepsi ruins my day) 17. Favorite Ice Cream: Rocky Road 18. Disney or Warner's: Disney 19. Bedroom carpet: Cookie cutter apt brown 20. Driver's test: 0 (the accident's weren't my fault) 21. Favorite season: Spring 22. Store to max out cc: Best Buy 23. What to do when bored: Find old movie 24. Time to bed: Lately-2 AM 25. Favorite TV Shows-Law & Order, Extreme Makeover, Three Wishes, Cheers 26. Car: Ford Taurus 27. Listening to right now: Tapestry (can't beat the classics) 28. Pet's: Three cats-two are 18 years old and in good health, and I am foster mom to a kitten waiting for a good home. I reserve the right to change my answers depending on the weather.

Sunday, Monday, Happy Days, Tuesday, Wednesday, Happy Days, Thursday, Friday, Happy Days, Saturday, What a day, ................................. (If you finish the last line, you're cured!)

Thanks, HCW, for the reminder of the feeling it was to be in the Way. And the effect that the music had cannot be overstated-hearing the Word in music like that along with the teaching sure didn't feel "cult like" to me either-nobody else back then had Christian music like this, and it was frowned upon then (you can't be godly and play and electric guiter, too!). Now it is everywhere: ironic that the most popular is WOW music. Ummmm.... I am proud of my country's hertitage Living on freedom's soil, Brave men have gone before me here, Unafraid to pray and toil. And I intend to keep on building up What others seek to spoil, And God still bares His mighty arm When men to him are loyal. Captain of Salvation-I had those word written in my Bible-unfortunately I've never been able to retreive my Bible or any of my personal items from Emporia. I would love to see those words again, if anybody knows them.

Continue: "As regards our brother Don: Yes, he has weaknesses and yes he had not put on the word of God to the end he walked as a spirtual man, but look at David and Saul. David did not put a hand against Saul-repeatly in the old testament we know that one does not lift a hand against a man who has been called of God. And I believe that among the household that I'm addressing now-I cannot speak for those who will listen to the tapes at the other campuses and so on, though those that I have seen on the field in the interim period between having read it and being here with you, particularily in the Uniited States, the vast majority of you have fallen into the category of carnality that we have covered from God's word tonight. You have been seduced from the simplicity that is in Christ. By the admonition of scripture, you would have of necessity be excluded from restoring in the situatuion that we have been faced with. Galatians Chapter 6:1. So anybody who has had thoughts of division, of envy, of strife or any of the other things that the scriptures have indicated to us, as carnality, are automatically excluded. Verse 2. I believe that the nine other people who I share the stage with this evening would assure you as readily as I would that the fellowship of the ten of us has been filled with love and tenderness and with a pervading atmosphere of peace. We are attempting to bear one another's burdens, and so not to walk away from the law of Christ but fulfill it." "(Reads Verse 3). What have you that you haven't received form God? Yes, we have nine manifestations that was given to us. Yes, it is a ministry of grace, because God gave us the grace. What have we that we haven't received freely by the loving hand of our heavenly Father? The same thing we had before we took the class and came to a knowledge of the Word. Not much. (Reads verse 4 and 5.) So any of you who have harbored thoughts of division, of strife, of envy, of anything but the most holiest of love, prayer and believing, obviously do not fall into the category of being able to help restore." "Now, I have not shared what I am going to share with you-this is something new. If Hdq'ts is going to eminate the love, the healing, and the power that's necessary to move this ministry, you will need to change from being carnal to being spirtual, putting God's word back at the level that it should have been held at from which you have been seduced. Regain those things that have been lost, otherwise, brethern, you will be part of the problem and not a part of the solution. You will be those who need restoring and not those who restore. We are restoring this evening using the word of God. Take heed to the scriptures: place the word of God as the will of God in your life. Refute the seduction from the simplicity that is in Christ and return your mind to a state of not being at enmity with God, but to a state of peace with God." "It was not nor is it the primary will of God to remove any member of the Board of Trustees of the Way International. If you have harbored this thought, then I would recommend that we read Ephesians Chapter 4. (Reads Verse 3). Now, I wanted to give you a literal of 'endeavouring' but I can do it better in French than I can in English. It means "Bust your stupid dar-e-air." You understand that? The engish isn't quite as polite. To keep the unity of the spirit and the bond of peace. Any of you have harbored thoughts of division have not yet reached that level. We always need to realize that the Word of God is the will of God, that it means what it says, it says what it means. If God had not meant this to be that, he wouldn't have written the book. "Endeavouring earnestly, working hard to keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace." "And in closing I would say good night, God bless, I love you. We have been entrusted with the precious word of God and have had the very finest teacher. May I recommend that we make this ministry a glory to our God and a tribute to our teacher." He then has the BOT's rise and close out each with a word of prayer-which are enlightening of themselves-but that's for tommorrow.

Continue: "The result of division would be more than one opinion: division, more than one opinion of scriptures, which outwardly manifests itself in the rejection of Dr. Weirwille, his teaching, and his counsel, and finally focusing on his personality, which was his carnality, his flesh, which every man has, rather than focusing on his spirtuality which few men throughout all the ages have ever approached. And part of the result has been a loss of spirtuality and a re-emergence of carnal thinking that has permeated every level of our ministry: and I would say that it is rampant at headquarters. I haven't been on the other campuses: I am not an authority to speak on that, but I know that the vast majority of you were picking sides and being carnal. That puts you in a position of being at enmity with God, something that perhaps you will rectify shortly." Note from transcriber: I could say something here, but I'm not-I figure you guys will say it for me. Onward: "Until this is rectified, healed, and new habit patterns of believing, trust and obedience to God and his written revealed word which is still his will are re-established-and may I say established with reliable consistency-then 'revelation' will continue to be counterfeit. Dr. Weirwille taught us that if you are not in fellowship with God your senses' mind will keep flipping up thoughts, remember that phrase? Well, if you've been thinking carnally, in other words if you have fallen into patterns which I have just outlined for you, then that would be the only possible result. Reliance must be constantly placed or in fact replaced on the written word of God, and all actions, reactions, decisions, and thoughts must evaluated and all subsequent actions enacted in light of holy scripture, God's written revealed truth, His word. And that's where we began our day yesterday, and we worked that word together." "Obviously I dealt with other things that I'm not covering with you. I don't think it would be of profit to you. (I assume he was addressing this comment to the 16th corp(?)or staff who was in the audience), partly because what I did is go back and chronological pick up decisions that were made and document from scriptures how they could have been handled closer to the word of God (thumps his bible.) And since you weren't in on the decisions all I would do is confuse you. But that's what the issue, the basic issue that we are dealing with is not who do you stand with, but do you stand on the rightly divided, revealed word of God? Are you going to use it as your only rule of faith and practice? In your life is the word of God going to return to being the will of God? Until the situation of carnality is cured, there seems little hope for having a powerful ministry, does there?" "Then, this morning, I shared a number of things. This morning we watched well over three hours of the Advanced class and listened to a tape from Dr. Weirwille: we just spent the morning in the Word of God. Then the afternoon we played-with you. But I shared that it was not the plan to effect the removal of one or more of the trustees, which is not God's primary will. The actions that I have taken have been to safeguard the knowledge of God's word, and the knowledge of the mystery, and that I can assure you is of greater importance than my life, and though I would hesitate to speak for you, I trust that you would see it greater than yours as well. Those of you who heard the reading of the Passing of the Patriarch will agree that Dr. Weirwille agreed with and lived up to that statement that I have just made. The continuance of the knowledge of God's word is his primary will in this situation."

To continue: ""I would like to point out to you in re-reading this verse some significant points. 'I fear less by any means' which shows that he (the serpent) will try any means, he will go to any lengths to accomplish what God's word is pointing out to us here, 'as the serpent beguilled Eve'. The word beguilled may also be translated into the word seduced, and I think perhaps because of the education we've had from televison and movies the word "seduced' may produce better mind pictures for us in this case. We've read that, and yet we've treated it as though it was rape, and not seduction. We've thought, boom, he just hits you over the head and that's the end of you. That may be the case, your place or mine, mine, that's the end of the seduction. With a willing victim, it takes very little seduction, does it? The less willing the victim, the greater the seduction that would have to be produced. 'And it was done through subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ'. If you remember the steps that Dr. Weirwille has taught us, the first is that the serpent questioned the integrity of God's word. Remember? Now Eve had a perfect bloodstream, perfect fellowship, and a wonderful renewed mind, she didn't have to work her way back to wholeness, she started with it, and yet she responded by considering. Now, we have so many alternative viewpoints in our world, that often times we have to respond by considering and holding everything in against the truth of the word of God. But her subsequent actions are what brought the clamity on her. She was already wrong in her situation by the time she responding by considering. In her life there were no alternatives until she was directly presented with one. She omitted a word, she added a word, she changed a word, what you and I today would call mishandling the word of God. Wrongly dividing the scriptures. And after all that you have a 180 degree change, a lie versus the truth. It was a seduction, like the seduction that happened in our ministry. (Reads I Corth 3:1-11). "In all of this, since we started, the only man who has said to me initially after reading the manuscript that he would get back and stand on the Word was Howard. Every time I hear somebody say that they are standing with Craig-now I am not speaking in the context of lovingly supporting-but in the context of choosing sides, I know they that they are carnal in their thinking. Romans 8:6-7. You what enmity means-oil and water-no matter how much you shake it they are going to separate. What is the law of God? The word of God. The written word of God. Verse 8. We are not hear to deal with Quote-who are you going to stand with-end of qoute, but Quote-are you going to stand on God's rightly divided word-end quote." I told these gentlemen, we use to hear but we heard it last night so I can't say that to you I just have to say you heard it even last night, Dr Weirwille saying that we needed to the palce of saying we needed to stand if the whole ministry goes down the tubes." Break time-I'll be back.

Chris continues: "And I also need to explain to you the exclusion of the First lady of the Way International, Mrs. Weirwille. It was at a request of Dr. Weirwille's that that occured. He requested that, if we ever begin to bring the things he mentioned to me to light, that as much as possible, I protect her heart. That is one of the heavist things that was on my heart last Wednesday night was that I had been forced into a corner that had threatened that request of Dr. Weirwille to me, and if any harm has come from that, I apologize, Mrs. Weirwille, and God'll have to take it out of my hide." "Then we spent the rest of the day reading the manuscript because many of the men had heard it once, never read it. and there's no sense it starting on something without having a firm foundation. Then after we read it we decided that was enough for the day and we quit. (laughs). Then, yesterday morning, we got together and began a process that for want of a better term I have called a damage accessment. It is not a biblical term-I don't know a biblical term to apply to it-it is just something that I understood. When you go to a doctor he has to know what's wrong before he can understand how to start putting things right. The same would be true with a mechanic, or in many other fields. I-I am not saying that is the best termonolgy, its just happens to be the only one I could place on the process that's necessary. If you can understand what that means, then we're well are our way to understand what it was I endeavored to start with. And honestly, in looking at what's happened, it is either the first or second great loss we must look at. In some senses, perhaps, the first great loss was the falling asleep of our wonderful Father in the Word. However, the only possible point of contention for the great loss that we considered as a group and which I want to consider tonight with you as the household of God called to be here-is the only possible point of contention would be the loss of our Father in the Word, Dr. Weirwille-his presence, his knowledge of God's rightly divided word and his spirtual perception are very sorely missed and especially so at this crucial hour. However, the rectifiable loss that we need to look at is the erosion of God's Word from this ministry, the pattern of non-adherence to the written Word of God that has developed." "Rev. Townsend got from Dr. Weirwille and has taught us for years "The Road Down". Some of you that have had the class on the Way tree or have been at various meetings may be familiar with the road down procedure that Rev. Townsend has taught us. It begins with division and ends on focusing on personality traits, etc, etc. There can be, as Dr Weirwille has so wonderfully taught us for years, no two opinions regarding truth. Truth is truth. The only possibilty of two opinions is either believing, or unbelief, but truth is truth." (Chris then reads from Bullinger and Weirwille's writings concerning Acts 19, and the forces that caused Paul to first spread the Word throught Asia, but then having it stripped away by having the pure word replaced by other beliefs. This took about four minutes: I won't repeat it vebatim but the source is Bullingers Church Epistle's, Introduction, discussing Acts 19:10 and II Timothy 1:15, 2:18, 3:8, 4:4. Then Chap 10, God's Magnified Word -the loss of the mystery.) The section ends with "The first truths to be lost is usually the last to be regained, so it needs to be recovered and taught to people who love God and want to understand the doctrine's of his inspired Word." NOTE: Remember, please, I am only as a matter of interest offering this transcript for clarification of what went on-I'm not making judgements on the accuracy of the information, only the accuracy of the actual content from the recording. Chris continues: "Both Bullinger and Dr. Weirwille in working the scriptures and teaching them pointed out to us that turning from Paul was preceeded by turning from truth. (Reads II Corth 11:3.) Our loss of the centrality and authority of God's Word, which of necessity preceeded the turning from our Father in the Word, had to have followed the same steps that Dr. Weirwille taught us in the foundational class regarding Eve and the serpent. I would like to point out to you in reading this verse some significant points: he will go to any length to accomplish what God's Word is pointing out." " Anybody want me to continue? Chris starts teaching from this point but he does have some more interesting points to make.

Chris continues: (It appears he is reading from a transcript of the statement he made to whoever he had gathered together at the beginning of the meetings-he is reading or relaying what he said to the group gathered here.) "I take full personal responsibility for not having foreseen the possibility that the knowledge would affect Rev. Martindale emotionally as it appears to have done. However, to forestall the Adversary using it against us, I came, knowing what we were facing. Craig had already decided to partially share at that Corps night the material that was in the manuscript of the Passing of the Patriarch and I did not feel that running the risk of added confusion would have been of any benefit. I've been through the manuscript, numerous times, and had there been anything that could have been deleted or should have been added, I have worked and worked and worked, and I didn't fell that a partial sharing would have been a benefit to the body. I had to choose what in the situation appeared to be the best decision to forestall other and far more massive problems of hurt that were almost surely guaranteed. Since that time I have seen that the dissemination of the information was even greater than I had known at the time. I would submit to you that it was the lessor of the evils that I was presented with. It was not God's primary will in the situation, but the further we go the more perhaps you will see that we have been operating often in the third or fourth will of God, and at times well outside of His will. With the bounds of what was done to hem in the truth of God, it was the best possible choice that I could see at the time." "I need also explain to you that I literally left the funeral for my grandfather, went directly to the airport, was picked up on Athletes, brought back here-I was scheduled to leave that night directly following so I could go back to the family, however my father, who was to have picked me up was emotionally exhausted from the day and when I called in to arrange for the pickup at the airport, he was asleep and could not be awakened-that's why I postponed it until very early the next morning-but I had very pressing family obligations that I was required to attend to." "For the content, there is no apology except that I know that it must have stung-or worse. Of course you all that know Dr. Weirwille would know that this-excuse me-you would know of course that this was never my intent and those of you that know Dr. Weirwille must have recognized that what I put in the Passing of the Patriarch is an edited version of his comments. In fact, I read it in just slightly over two and half hours and we talked for 36 to 40 hours. For the delivery, I offer my most loving and sincere apology and accept full personal responsibilty. I believe that before we are done in the next few days, you will better understand the situations I was faced with, and if not, at least find it in your heart to overlook any wrongs that I may have been responsible for and look past my weakness and see the love of God that I have in my heart and the great desire I have to see His Word live and flourish." "That is where we started our meetings. Then during the meetings, I explained among the household of our fellowship right here, the men and Donna that are seated on this stage, why each of the people that is here, is here. I think quite obviously this table speaks for itself (apparently indicated the BOT and Donna). And the reason that Ricardo Caberillo was brought in from Argentina and John Townsend was brought in from Kansas were things that Dr. Wierwille through the years had indicated to me that if it ever became possible to begin to put right certain things in the ministry that he recommended these two gentlemen be included. Art (Art Poling, I presume) is at my invitation because of the greatness of his heart, and because Father said put him there, so I didn't argue. Ralph was invited because he is one of the two, three people that ever asked me why did Dr. Wierwille come see you and what did he say, because of things Dr. Wierwille told my about him, and, the phrase that Father put in my mind was, a witness, and I thought myself the witness of seeing what would occur. However, he's also a born witness because it turns out although he never said it and in fact denied it, that Dr. Weirwille did cover a number of the salient facts that in the Passing of the Patriarch with Ralph. In addition, he told Ralph, before he left Boston for Scotland, that he was going to Scotland, basically, to leave his last will and testament for the ministry, which I didn't know until Ralph shared it partway through the meeting-so. And then Earl Burton, because of what he has been and what he's gonna be."

I have managed to keep in my possesion a copy of a tape that I was given of a meeting that Chris Geer had at Htg's that must have occured in '85-86. The tape was made for the Corp at all campuses and was an attempt to explain the circumstances surrounding the release of the POP manuscript and the blowback that had happened. There was no reference to the date this occured-maybe someone else can provide that. I decided to make the atempt to provide it here: it is enlightening to say the least, as far as the thinking in Chris's head and the reactions of others. I myself had been gone from the ministry at this point for about three years, so this blew me out of the water when I first heard it, not to mention gave me flashbacks like crazy. It contains some insight that may be useful only from a historical perspective-I didn't want to take over the other Chris Geer thread with this, but it was the thread that prompted me to listen to this thing again, and when I did I felt that there could be some benefit to some in knowing what was actually said. Chris Geer "If I may just preface this meeting for a moment. We had anticipated doing this on Sunday morning, which is why, when we shifted it to today, you know, we had to make the tapes available and so forth , the reason that we did that is because a number of you in-residence corps are leaving to go to the other campuses, and we thought before you disappeared over the horizon, it would be better if you knew what we were doing and what we plan to do, so that you could carry with you a message of peace, rather than the wonderings that you live in right now. Could have held until Sunday, when we are all happy and blessed, but we didn't want to add any multiple centers of reference to the other campuses. I believe I owe some explanations and apologies for last Wednesday night, but first I want to open with a word of prayer." (Done) ""You may be seated. Thank you. We began in our meetings on Tuesday morning-am I correct?. (Laughs) I sort of lost track of reality going back and forth this many times across the Atlantic (audience laugh) Right now it's 1:00 o'clock in the morning in Scotland-okay I've been back and forth a couple of times this week, so, if I forget what day it is, you'll remember. But we started I believe it was Tuesday morning and we've been meeting in the BRC on the main Htq's grounds, and I would like to cover with you what we covered. So, if you're ready for that, so am I." "We began by the exact same statement that I read to you and opened with a word of prayer-can't say I prayed the same prayer-I forgot my Book of Common prayer (audience laughs), but I went on to cover the fact that we have a great deal to cover in our meetings, and that what we are facing may seem like a can of worms, but with God we can be more than conquerors. There is so much to cover-we'll just have to be patient-it cannot be covered in one moment in time-it's not possible. We all want to jump ahead, to skip, but let's try to be systimatic. (sp?) We'll have to be diligent and loving, and as a household, try to overcome anything that may be personally unpleasant. Sometimes it seems that not too much is pleasent, but God is." "Firstly, I believe I owe an explanation and an apology. I'll give you as full an explanation as I feel would be of profit, so that there would be no confusion, or so that if any would remain it would be as little as is possible. I am well aware of the admonition of scripture that all things are to be done decently and in order, within the fellowship of the called out ones. This is how I have endevoured from the very first to handle this matter." "Originally, as I indicated, Wednesday, a week ago I invited Rev. Martindale to come to Scotland and that I would share with him what Dr. Wierwille had come to share with me. Of course, you who were here for the reading of that manuscript realize that the primary reason that it was Craig that I invited first was that was Dr. Wierwille's request. The next that we would have reached would have been Howard-my first choice was to have Howard come over while Craig was still there, and that didn't work out. The second was for him to come over later, which was scheduled to start-today? He would have been there arriving today and stayed through the fifth (says to Howard)-don't go there, I'm here. (Audience laughs) And the third choice was to have Craig take a manuscript to him if it didn't work out for me and Howard to get together. Through all of this I have endevoured to try and cover for every possible eventuality. The material is volitile, and I thought that if I could have been the one there and responsible, then that would have precluded, that would have set to the side as much possibility for any misunderstanding as possible. Directly following Howard's visit, I would have returned with Howard, or however at that point we would have felt was the best and I would have covered the same material with Don. And then dates for all the subsequent meetings that we are now holding would have followed in, uh, rather easier pattern than what we have found ourselves in." "However, as some of you are aware, Craig shared the material that was in the manuscript and the manuscript itself with others, and that necessitated a very radical change."

No doubt the music of that time was one of the saving graces of our involvement. That music, more than anything else, tended to keep my heart turned toward God, especially when it seemed people did things to turn my focus away. I'm thankful for all of those creative men and women, who's hearts and minds seemed to be pure. Here's part of what I remember came out of that time around '76: "I am proud of my country's hertitage, Living on freedom's soil. Brave men have gone before me here, Unafraid to pray and toil. And I intend to keep on building up, What others seek to spoil. And God's still bares His mighty arm, When men to him are loyal. Sorry I can't remember the rest of words, by Brian Bliss if I am correct. Songs like that just seemed to be the aura of our being during that time: I got more out of the music than from "None dare Call it Conspiracy-and don't forget the sequel, None Dare Call it Treason: and for the brave at heart?-"I Was a Slave in Russia". I swear, there were times that we thought it would all be over within a year or two. It kept us motivated, though, didn't it?

LOL----Thank you Thank you-my cats had to get me off the floor!

I had the misfortune of being a WOW in the 75-76 year in Mississippi. Two highlights: Playing "America Awakes" at every twig and being encouraged to be "freed sexually" by our Wow Branch coordinator-had a tough time relating to the two "mandates". What a disaster that year was!

A young man named John received a parrot as a gift. The parrot had a bad attitude and an even worse vocabulary. Every word out of the bird's mouth was rude, obnoxious and laced with profanity. John tried and tried to change the bird's attitude by consistently saying only polite words, playing soft music and anything else he could think of to "clean up" the bird's vocabulary. Finally, John was fed up and he yelled at the parrot. The parrot yelled back. John shook the parrot and the parrot got angrier and even ruder. John, in desperation, threw up his hands, grabbed the bird and put him in the freezer. For a few moments the parrot squawked and kicked and screamed. Then suddenly there was total quiet. Not a peep was heard for over a minute. Fearing that he'd hurt the parrot, John quickly opened the door to the freezer. The parrot calmly stepped out onto John's outstretched arms and said, "I believe I may have offended you with my rude language and actions. I'm sincerely remorseful for my inappropriate transgressions and I fully intend to do everything I can to correct my rude and unforgiveable behaviour." John was stunned at the change in the bird's attitude. As he was about to ask the parrot what had made such a dramatic change in his behaviour, the bird continued, "May I ask what the turkey did?" Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! From TopOfTheWorld-Silent but grateful.

Igotout: Thanks for the link-it was useful. I chose to burn in DVD for playing back on a DVD player, and the stuff I've read says Nero won't allow that. I am hoping that the movie maker will help make a better presentation. First I have to get a playback record program that works, since Media Center hasn't lived up to its hype. It will burn a playable DVD but it is an unbelievable pain: black screens, freeze ups, etc. I restore the original Medai package, got Microsoft on the phone, did the download for Rolloup again, and got the message about Win32.

Good thought-makes VHS look not so bad, huh. Now I created a bigger problem. In researching Microsoft, I downloaded a "fix" to Media Center, and not only will can't I run the new fix because the file name is not a recognized file, but now I can't run MC at all! I'm thinking about resorting to restoring with my restore DVD, but I don't know whether I have to completely restore or whether it will let me be selective-and tech help, of course, is 1.99 per minute. I think I'll read a book, instead.

Holy Batman, WordWolf! Thanks for taking the time to respond to my question. I learned more about DVD's on that link than I thought I would ever need-everything except the answer to my dilema. It appears that any video files should be run through an authoring process for chapter, titles, or editing. Nero came with my system, but the specs say Nero's burn is not compatible with DVD players. I have the correct drive and format (RW+ drive and player). I'm using RW+ disks with 120 minutes and 4.7 GB. The video files are less than that. I can't believe it should be such an issue to burn one "file" I've recorded through Media Center, created another file and add it to the same disk. If you know anyone who has any ideas, I'd be grateful. Thanks again!

I am using a Gateway 'puter with XP and Media Center. Media Center allows shows to be recorded which can then be burned on a DVD. I figured out how to record old VHS programs (bits and pieces of stuff I saved and then lugged around over the years) and am now using Media Center to burn them into a DVD disk. The first recording worked perfectly, but now that I'm trying to add a second recording into the remaining space on the same DVD, Media Center thinks I'm not using a writable disk. Anybody know how to get the thing to recognize an add-on track? I'm stumped! Any helpful suggestions (in laymen's terms) would be appreciated. Tks.

Craig uses the term "true tenderness and love of God". It's remarkable to me that when all the crap is blown away, that is the one thing which is gone forever in that organization. For those of us who truly believed that we were doing the right thing and were where God wanted us to be, being able to share it with the body in the "true tenderness and love of God" is what made it special. We all know how cruel people can be to each other, especially when a person is given "power" and isn't mature enough to know how to use it, but to lose that essence, that comfort, that belief was probably the most hurtful thing of all. And, yes, I do believe there was a time that there was more to the Way than a "money-making machine. One reason I believe that is this very forum. When you quit a job, do you spend years dwelling on it? We all know how much abuse we can take in the business world: it can be cruel and unforgiving, but unless somebody goes to jail over it the world hardly takes notice. We move on. What the ministry became was such an aberration from what it started out to be that the wounds those people inflicted are scars that are slow to heal. Craig became the very thing he proported to reject in his demand for loyalty. How dare he think that he can treat any child of God the way he did? How dare anyone? :(

From one of my favorite movies:"If you can't say something nice, come sit by me!"

I don't visit often enough, but I always appreciate the hard work that goes into maintaining this forum. Thanks, Pawtucket-you have helped more than you'll ever know! Looks great-keep up the good work!

Thanks, d. Listening can be fun-builds the imagination. Have a good time. P.S.-I was a college WOW in Bloomington-Illinois, that is!

Don't blame ya, Pirate-she's a local celeb here-but company loyalty has to trump-well ya know!