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  1. I did not vote either as I did not find a choice that fit. But I would respond to this quote by Diazbro: Do not underestimate the impact that Waytraining has on the exWayfer's opinion of the Catholic church and mainstream churches in general. I know plenty of former way people who have been out for 15 years who characterize *all* major denominations as being "evil". For me its distrubing that they don't realize that their fear and loathing of these institutions are based on comments by Way leadership as opposed to personal experience. I dont think so! Even with today's Molestation issues aside the Catholic Church History speaks for itself, and it ain't pretty. These sicko's make the Way look like the Micky Mouse Club.... Here is a little of 12 years of Catholic School basic Church History without Way comments. You can look it up in any Church History Book. And now, in no particular order... It was said that Pope John XII (955-64) invented sins that had not been known since the beginning of the world and whole monasteries spent days and nights praying for his death. He turned his home, the Lateran Palace, into a brothel. He used the papal treasury to pay off his gambling debts. He died on May 14th 964 aged twenty-four, after he was caught in bed by the husband of one of his mistresses in 'the very act of adultery'. Pope Innocent VIII (1484-92) sired eight illegitimate sons and probably as many daughters, of whom he openly acknowledged. His reign as Pope was known as 'The Golden Age of Bastards'. He authorised an inquisition against those thought to be witches. On his death bed a wet nurse was found for his final craving - woman's milk. Pope John XXII (1316-34) excommunicated fellow clergymen for not paying their taxes. In 1932, Pope Pius XI (1922-39) as well as condemning contraception, ordered German Catholics to drop their hostility towards Hitler. He also backed Mussolini's invasion of Abyssinia. Pope Celastine II (1143-44) had a certain Count Jordan condemned to a horrible death, he was strapped naked to a scalding iron chair while a red-hot crown was nailed to his head. Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) instituted the approved method of interrogation of suspected sodomites. In order to make them confess, suspects were lowered naked onto a red-hot spike. This method was kept until the year 1816. Robert of Geneva was well known for his ability to decapitate a man with a pike. He became Pope Clement VII (1378-94) and was 'much given to fleshy pleasure'. He surrounded himself with page boys, whose jackets, it was noted, shrunk from being knee length, to mid-buttock 'or even worse'. Pope Benedict XIII (1394-1417) gave a dispensation to the twenty-nine-year-old Richard II of England to marry Isabella, the seven-year-old daughter of the King of France. The child-pope Benedict IX (who became Pope at the age of 12!) was bi-sexual, sodomised animals, ordered murders and dabbled in witchcraft and Satanism. He loved to throw wild, bi-sexual orgies. Benedict IX held the post of Pope in the years 1032-44, 1045 and 1047-48. He was described as "A demon from hell in the disguise of a priest...", and St Peter Damian said of him: "That wretch, from the beginning of his pontificate to the end of his life, feasted on immorality". Dante estimated that under Benedict IX the papacy reached an all-time low in immorality and debauchery. When he was 23 he survived an assassination attempt (strangling at the altar during Mass). Benedict went on to marry his cousin and sell the papacy to his godfather, Gregory VI. Pope Boniface VII (974; 984-85) was described as: "a horrid monster" and "a man who in criminality surpasssed all the rest of mankind". In the year 440 Pope Sixtus III (432-40) was tried for the seduction of a nun. Pope Leo I (440-61) was a warped and sadistic torturer. He made his victims confess that they mixed semen with the sacrament and used young girls at the altar for the purpose. He was the first Pope to claim the right to put anyone who disagreed with him to death. Pope Pius VII (1800-23) comdemned bible societies as "a most abominable invention that destroyed the very foundation of religion". It was widely rumoured that the ex-pirate Pope John XXIII (1410-15) was an Atheist. He tortured his own cardinals and was said to have "had wicked company with two of his own sisters". Robert Hallum, Bishop of Salisbury said that he: "ought to be burnt at the stake". The homosexual Pope Paul II (1464-71) liked to see naked men being racked and tortured. Alledgedly, he died of a heart attack whilst being sodomized by one of his favourite boys. Pope John XIII (965-72) { yes, I know there was more than one John XIII } was condemned as an adulterer who "defiled his father's concubine and his own niece". He was said to have died at the hands of an enraged husband, caught in the act of adultery - just like his dad, Pope John XII. Pope Sergius III (904-11) enjoyed sex with underaged girls. According to the historian Baronius, Sergius III was "the slave of every vice". When he was 45, Sergius took a 15- year-old mistress - the affair produced a son who went on to become Pope John XI. Pope Stephen VI (896-97) had the body of his predecessor, Pope Formosus (891-96) dug up, dressed in papal vestments, set on a throne and tried for perjury and coveting the papacy. Pope Benedict XII (1334-42) was such a hardened drinker that the expression "drunk as a pope" became popular in his lifetime. Pope Anacletus (1130-8) committed incest with his sister and several other female relatives. He enjoyed raping nuns. Pope Clement VI (1342-52) was described by Petrarch as "an ecclesiastical Dionysus with his obscene and infamous artifaces". Clement VI slept with prostitutes and had dozens of mistresses. When he died, fifty priests said Mass for the repose of his soul for nine consecutive days, but it was generally agreed that this was not going to be nearly enough to prevent the dead pope from going directly to hell. Pope Pius II (1458-64) had been a well known author of erotic literature, and had fathered about 12 illegitimate children. The Sistine Chapel was built by Pope Sixtus IV (1471-84). He had six illegitimate sons, of which one was the result of an incestuous relationship with his sister. Pope Julius II (1503-13) who commissioned Michelangelo to paint the ceiling of the the Sistine Chapel, was a paedophile and spent much of his time with small boys and male prostitutes. In the year 1095 Pope Urban II introduced the callagium, a sex tax which alllowed the clergy to keep mistresses, provided they paid an annual fee to the papacy. This had the immediate effect of reducing the use of concubines and hugely increasing clerical homosexuality. Pope Paul III (1534-49) enjoyed an incestuous relationship with his daughter. To gain control of his family inheritance, he poisoned several relatives, including his mother and neice. He killed two cardinals and a Polish bishop to settle an argument over a theological point. Paul III was probably Rome's biggest ever pimp - he kept a roll of about 45,000 prostitutes, who paid him a monthly tribute. Pope Julius III (1550-55) sodomized young boys, of which one was his own, illegitimate, son. He appointed several handsome teenage boys as cardinals. Cardinal della Casa's famous poem In Praise of Sodomy was dedicated to Pope Julius III. Testing the Claim of Scriptural Support Was Peter the Foundation of the Church? Matt 16:16-19 - This passage is the foundation for papal authority. It may appear here that Jesus is telling Peter that he is the rock upon which the Church would be built. Several problems exist with this interpretation however. Many scholars find that Jesus is referring not to Peter, but to his confession of faith made in the verses just before this one. It was upon acknowledgment of Jesus as the Christ that the Church would be built, not on a mere man. Evidence for this follows: "Peter" (petros in Greek) and "rock" (petra) in this passage are two different words with two different meanings. Petros is a small stone while petra is a huge rock. The play on words seems to be intentional. The pronouns used to refer to Peter in this passage are always 2nd person, the reference to the rock is 3rd person, thus separating the two. Even if Peter was the rock being referred to, he was not the only rock - nor was he the chief rock (Eph. 2:20; Revelation 21:9-14; Matt. 21:42-45; 1 Peter 2:4-7; ). Was Peter Promised Infalliblity? Luke 22:32 - This passage is not a prayer for Peter's perfect wisdom in matters of faith, it is instead a prayer for his perseverance after his coming trial (which he would fail). Peter's faith did not leave him entirely even after his denial - an affirmative answer to Christ's prayer. A simple look at the whole passage (22:31-34, 55-62) confirms this. Nowhere in the Bible is Peter (or anyone else) ever said to have this supposed infallibility. Testing the Claim of Traditional Support No Historical Support No pope ever had the powers bestowed upon the apostles to seal their claim of apostleship. It was the Emperor, not the Bishop (pope) of Rome who originally held supreme power over the church for many centuries. The Church Fathers did not agree with the interpretation of Matt 16:16-19, it was only used later to bolster their false claim. No church council in the first 1,000 years of church history were called by popes. For the first 1,000 years of the church's existence not a single doctrinal issue was decided by a pope. The infallibility doctrine was cause for 55 bishops to leave Vatican I in protest. It then passed by less than half of the original voters (535/1084) supporting the idea. The pope in power at Vatican I was deposed less than 2 months after papal infallibility was declared. Fraudulent documents like The Donation of Constantine and Isidorian Decretals were at the foundation for much of the supposed tradition of Roman Catholic teaching, and although found to be false by the 1500's, are followed today. Papal Problems Heresy - Pope Honorius I was condemned by the church for heresy regarding the nature of Christ. This is obviously a large problem for Roman Catholicism's claim to the pope's inability to be mislead on issues of doctrine! Multiple Popes - In the history of the Roman Catholic Church there have been no less than 35 "anti-popes", two opposing popes in authority at the same time. There is no infallible list of popes, nor an infallible method of knowing which one was the "real" pope. So which is it? Roman Catholicism's Heritage The Inquisition - It is a historical fact that the Roman Catholic Church has killed more Christians than any other religious institution in man's history (some estimates put the death toll at 50 million). The fact that the Roman Catholic Church no longer has the power to enforce its policies should not make us any more comfortable, for the infallible pronouncements made to create the Inquisition are technically in force today. The Crusades - Many are unaware that there were actually several crusades commissioned by popes. Beyond the "noble" crusades that set out to free Jerusalem from the Saracens, there existed crusades against Christians! In fact, those who took part in them were promised absolution for all sins committed while on crusade. The slaughter of the innocent that ensued, not to mention the horrible atrocities against women and children, should come as no surprise. Indulgences - The main issue that prompted Luther to separate from the Roman Catholic Church was the selling of indulgences. For a small fee you could get your loved ones out of Purgatory and into heaven. Galileo - in 1633 Galileo was tried under the Inquisition for heresy for his discovery of a non-geocentric universe. Because the Roman Catholic Church followed Ptolemy's idea of an earth-centered universe Galileo remained under house arrest as a heretic until his death. Adolph Hitler - In contrast the Roman Catholic Church never excommunicated Hitler (although past popes have been dug up after death, dressed in robes, and brought to trial only to be excommunicated by other popes). In fact it celebrated his 50th birthday with special ceremonies and prayers for his success (which only helped Roman Catholicism due to numerous treaties made with various european dictators throughout its history). Hitler died a Roman Catholic in good standing. Conclusion Is the history of Roman Catholicism a testimony to its leaders inability to be deceived? Hardly. The Roman Catholic Church has never recanted or apologized for any of its above actions. Examples of hypocrisy and outright sin of the Roman Catholic Church could be easily multiplied. Volumes could (and have been) written on papal abuses, sinful obsessions, and false teachings. How can any honest person look into these matters and come away believing that the pope is God's "vice-regent" on earth? a man whose official title, "vicar of Christ", translates literally into "anti-christ"? The title is apt, for to millions of Roman Catholics around the world, the pope stands in the place of Christ.
  2. Just a minute Vickles I'll look... Nope......
  3. Hey North Neighbors adding my Congratulations! to the list also. Geeze go away for a few days and look what happens all kinds of good things go on. First you announce you will be getting married Shellon is a Grandma,The wrong baby gets delivered,Raf almost wins a pulitzer, Vickles almost buys the farm :D-->, The ! ANNIVERSARY,Sisterdove tries to be the threadkiller, and Flat Stanley is still stuck in Texas....
  4. Congrats Shellon Guess I'm going to need to have a talk with that cousin of mine Mr Stork, that birdbrain delivered the wrong baby. Next time if ya want the job done right hire a dove..... Belle Shellon and pictures should not be used in the same sentence :D-->
  5. David I saw that! you owe $25.00 too. Make your check to Captain Morgan's Parrot Bay Charity and send it to me I'll make sure it gets there. Belle what a great idea I should have thought of that. Hey I think I hear a Blood Sweat & Tears song...... And when I die, and when I'm gone there'll be, one child born in this world to carry on, to carry on
  6. Yes Geo but there will be a small service charge of $25.00 for any changes.... :D-->
  7. I got this today and did not want to detract from Kit's thread but it's too good not to pass on. Another Living Will. I, _________________________ (fill in the blank), being of sound mind and body, DO NOT wish to be kept alive indefinitely by artificial means. Under no circumstances should my fate be put in the hands of peckerhead politicians who couldn't pass ninth-grade biology if their lives depended on it. If a reasonable amount of time passes and I fail to sit up and ask for a rum & coke, it should be presumed that I won't do so ever again. When such a determination is reached, I hereby instruct my spouse,family,children,dog, and/or attending physicians to pull the plug, reel in the tubes and call it a day. Under no circumstances shall the members of the Legislature enact a special law to keep me on life-support machinery. It is my wish that these p*ck*rhe*ds mind their own damn business, and pay attention instead to the health, education and future of the millions of Americans who AREN'T in a permanent coma and who nonetheless may be in need of nourishment. Under no circumstances shall any politicians butt into this case. I don't care how many votes they're trying to scrounge for their run for the presidency . It is my wish that they play politics with someone else's life and leave me alone to die in peace. I couldn't care less if a hundred religious zealots send e-mails to legislators in which they pretend to care about me. I don't know these people, and I certainly haven't authorized them to preach and/or crusade on my behalf. They should mind their own damn business, too. If any of my family goes against my wishes and turns my case into a political cause, I hereby promise to come back from the grave and make his or her existence a living hell.
  8. WhiteDove

    Band of Gold

    Danny I have a tape of Steve"s songs if you want to transcribe the words to the song it's on there.
  9. Shellon Perhaps I can answer your question when the original Stanley was lost. Steve asked if I would make two Stanleys which I did. Since he lost so much time this will make sure everyone will get him (I hope) So there is the original that is still lost then there are two more which Steve has dubbed A & B . Then again I still have the Greasespot Stanley prototype http://gscafe.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/1...884/m/315105356
  10. ;)--> And now for your send-off song I spared no expense!!! The Village Pigs Hey Psalmie how come your new house has that sign on the front that says B a r b e q u e ?
  11. Shaz that was just a little promo for his new website the Birdspot
  12. DOVE EGGS!!!!!....Oh I don't think so there will be none of that.
  13. Songs for $500.00 What is "That's the night the lights went out in Georgia? AHHH What is Psalmie plugging in her hair dryer in her new home.
  14. Good thing I'm not as addicted to the puter as I once was!!! No not at all Psalmie you dont look addicted....
  15. Have a safe trip Psalmie I'll be nice and leave yer stuff alone (at least until you get to your new house.) But don't think I'm gonna be nice forever cause I'm not. Looks like Mr wolf will have no problem blowing down the new house either.
  16. GEE EX I don't know your office looks pretty up to date to me.
  17. WB there is no icon you have to use HTML Scroll back up to Paw's post and copy and paste the code he posted for you. If you type this or copy and paste it in your post it will highlight. Where it says "#FFFF00" you can change it to any color To change it type in pink or blue instead of #FFFF00 Where It says "something like this" you can put whatever you want to say between the brackets >
  18. Ha Ha Steve thats true.... Just in case your feeling left out I'll make a point to mention you next time I'm there.
  19. I hope you wern't telling stories about me in there again Mrs. Ex It took me a long to get em all fooled......
  20. Now around here they have the Easter-Keg hunt. you put together teams of people. And this radio station hides a keg of beer somewhere in the city and they give clues as to where it is every half hour. ***Typo Edit***
  21. Hap e Birthday Hap.. Now I wanna know what other fun colors are in that box that Excie gave ya
  22. Yep T!! I feel that way a good deal of the time about a lot of things also.
  23. WhiteDove

    Tourney

    Congratulations Cathy!!!! :)--> Did ya get the Kung Foo Gecko award? ....everybody was Kung Foo fighting those kicks were fast as....
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