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Except that not everyone here feels that way some obviously were interested

No david it has not she most likely gave up!! you know someone who's life was ruined by a gold frame once would feel compelled to tell her about it.... :blink:

By the same token it does not say it is not please comment either. I suppose one could have put THIS IS AN Announcement at the head but really most could see it plainly was. I guess if it looks like duck ,walks like a duck then It most likely is........ Don't need someone to post This is a Duck....... PFAL Poster it's for Sale sounds like a announcement to me kinda like house for rent or car for sale. I saw a mustang for sale today did not see where anyone felt compelled to rant about how a mustang ruined their life and they hated them blah blah blah.......

An announcement is an announcement it should not have to be spelled out the proper decorum whatever the section. If I was selling a dog I would consider it bad taste for someone who maybe was bitten once and hates dogs to rant about dogs. Now if I posted a topic on what do you think of dogs I'd say have at it rant all you want It would be the kind thing to see that it is the wrong place to rant even though you might have the right. It's inconsiderate to think your words of wisdom are really that earthshattering and generally they are not anyway. Most often it's just someone needing to be the center of attention anyway Let them sell their dog or poster and if you are not interested shut the @!*# up. Have some class.......

So then why don't we allow anti way feelings to be posted in the memorial section. I mean after all people could post pro way feelings too there. Now I know the reason and it makes perfect sense it's being respectful, kind ,loving. And yet that person may well deserve to have things posted maybe they were a jerk maybe it reminds some of some horrible way incident. why can't we speak out our feelings there too. Out of decorum we have the brains to abstain. Yes we have the right but we temper that right with kindness. A quick observation of the post and anyone could tell WG was not looking for a discussion it was not offered as a topic but as an announcement much the same as a memorial announcement for information only not for a commentary. That as I see it is the difference. Having seen that why can't we offer the same respect and decorum for WG, it just makes sense.

David I'll See your 150 tapes and raise you 250 more.

Dojidove - now if ya find gold in them there hills remember at least 15% should be given to the Dove cult ministries!!! and if ya don't we'll take your credit card too.

Ok this should be enough to tire you out......... Run Like Hell Pink Floyd Run, run, run, run (repeat line four times) You better make your face up in Your favourite disguise With your button down lips and your Roller blind eyes With your empty smile And your hungry heart Feel the bile rising from your guilty past With your nerves in tatters When the cockleshell shatters And the hammers batter Down the door You better run Run, run, run, run (repeat line four times) You better run all day And run all night And keep your dirty feelings Deep inside. And if your Takin' your girlfriend Out tonight You better park the car Well out of sight 'Cos if they catch you in the back seat Trying to pick her locks They're gonna send you back to mother In a cardboard box You better run

Lest we forget Stevie........ Keep On Running STEVIE WONDER Album Music Of My Mind Some gonna get you Some gonna grab you Some gonna jump out of the bushes and grab you Whole lotta folks, you better run faster. Some gonna grab you Some gonna jump out of the bushes and grab you Some gonna grab you Oh You need this thing to grab you, ha. Yea, yea Keep on running Keep on running from my love Keep on running, yea Keep on running from my love Some folks say that you're really, really fine, All you want to be is just a friend of mine, But I know, the man your with gonna break your heart, And you'll be sad real soon, yea. Keep on running, Keep on running from my love, Keep on running, yea, Keep on running from my love. Some folks say that you're really, really fine But all you want to be is just a friend of mine, But I know I'm gonna get you with him -real soon. Why do you keep? Keep on running, running from my love Yea, keep on running from Keep on running, running from my love I need you baby Keep on running, running from my love And everyday yea, Keep on running, running from my love. Oh Keep on running Keep on running from my love Keep on running yea Keep on running from my love Some folks say that your love is really good All you want to be is just a friend of mine, But I know, I'm gonna get you in the end 'Cause I need you so Keep on running Keep on running, running from my love Yea, keep on running baby Keep on running, running from my love, yea Keep on running, running from my love Keep on running, running from my love ...say it loud Keep on running, running from my love Oh, yea Keep on running, running from my love ...say it loud Keep on running, running from my love Something gonna get you, yea Keep on running, running from my love You can get it baby in my love Keep on running, running from my love Oh, yea say Keep on running, running from my love sing I love you so Keep on running, running from my love Sing, so Keep on running, running from my love sing a little song for me Keep on running, running from my love Baby, you can bring me love Keep on running, running from my love I wanna hear Keep on running, running from my love Yea, Keep on running, running from my love Everybody sing it with me, yea Keep on running, running from my love Some's gonna grab you Keep on running, running from my love some's gonna jump out of the bushes and grab you, yea Keep on running, running from my love keep on running baby Keep on running, running from my love Oh, yea yea, yea, yea, yea, yea, yea, yea Keep on running, running from my love This is it Keep on running, running from my love Hey, hey, hey Hey, hey, hey Hey, hey, hey Hey, hey, hey Keep on running Keep on running, running from my love yea, yea, Keep on running, running from my love I'm getting tired of you running Keep on running, running from my love Can you feel it in the shoe babe? Keep on running, running from my love Na, na, na, na, na, na, na. Keep on running, running from my love Hey, hey Keep on running, running from my love Baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, mama, mama, mama Keep on running, running from my love

Now here is one I bet even even Cowgirl jr. knows. No Doubt Running Run Running all the time Running to the future With you right by my side Me I'm the one you chose Out of all the people You wanted me the most I'm so sorry that I've fallen Help me up lets keep on running Don't let me fall out of love Chorus1 Running, running As fast as we can Do you think we'll make it? (Do you think we'll make it?) We're running Keep holding my hand It's so we don't get separated Be Be the one I need Be the one I trust most Don't stop inspiring me Sometimes it's hard to keep on running We work so much to keep it going Don't make me want to give up Chorus 2: Running, running As fast as we can I really hope you make it (Do you think we'll make it?) We're running Keep holding my hand It's so we don't get separated Running As fast as we can I really hope we'll make it (Do you think we'll make it?) We're running Keep holding my hand It's so we don't get separated Repeat Chorus 2 twice

Bovine girl surely you jest! What you have no Doobie in your Funk in the Oakleaf country ? Heres one for ya: It Keeps You Runnin' Doobie Brothers Michael Mcdonald Say, where you gonna go Girl, where you gonna hide You go on leavin' out your heart And all it's sayin' down deep inside From here i can feel your heartbeat Oh, you got me all wrong You ain't got no worry You just been lonely too long I know what it means to hide your heart From a long time ago Oh, darlin' It keeps you runnin', yeah it keeps you runnin' It keeps you runnin', yeah it keeps you runnin' It keeps you runnin', yeah it keeps you runnin' It keeps you runnin', yeah it keeps you runnin' Oh, i know how you feel Hey, you know i been there But what you're keepin' to yourself Oh, you know it just ain't fair Are you gonna worry For the rest of your life Why you in such a hurry To be lonely one more night I know what it means to hide your heart From a long time ago Oh, darlin' It keeps you runnin', yeah it keeps you runnin' It keeps you runnin', yeah it keeps you runnin' It keeps you runnin', yeah it keeps you runnin' It keeps you runnin', yeah it keeps you runnin' http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005NQJ...v=glance&n=5174

I took my dog with me to Boston once $160.00 to fly on the floor in bag I think my ticket was around $178.00. I told them next time I may as well buy him a seat and he can have a drink and a bag of nuts. As it turned out on 3 legs of the trip he had a seat anyway as there were extras and he worked the girls for all he could get which was a lot more than I got.

Bayunga Nioka-Simbi - Vince Finnegan could tell you how to reach him I think. He said that Bayunga Nioka-Simbi was in jail at some point for holding fellowships last I heard he was out again.

Maybe the difference for me is it was an offer not a topic. She was just making it known that it was there and for sale not inviting a running discussion. If she had said I am selling this poster what do you think about it then I would say venting was requested. But she did not. Anyway I hope your sale goes well WG and it finds a new home.

Mark sorry if you thought I was yelling at you I wasn't, I thought you were having trouble seeing the small print. But you know what they say once the eyes go then the hearing is not far behind. Mark I agree with some of your points here, but even if WG overreacted wouldn't it have been much nicer if there was not anything to overreact to? I think that is the point David and others are making. Others like Catcup have sold things on eBay and generally have received a good luck, hope you make a lot of money response. It was kind of WG to offer her item to us, if one was not interested why not just say nothing. If George was to offer some of his Japanese art on eBay I would not be interested but I would not post something like what makes you think we want crap like that? If I posted anything it would be Thanks for thinking of us I'm not interested but good luck with your sale. I'm looking around my office here and I have a wonderful signed print of Barbara Butler's Silver and Gold have I none from Acts 3:6 I think it is absolutely stunning by far my favorite way art. I have a signed print of Meg Kish's a box of crayons with 9 bright colored crayons in it the box reads Gods Gift Holy Spirit given to all that believe. At he box bottom it says non toxic. I love that picture for it's childlike simplicity. By it is a slate replica of one of those billboard sayings that were popular a few years ago, We Need To Talk - God a reminder to me to do that more. Below that is a cut glass and brass Tiffany Coca Cola lamp. On the other wall is a bronze three foot replica of the statue of liberty arm the torch holds a candle. It reminds me of my freedom as a American and in Christ. There is also a life size Plexiglas neon guitar the strings are neon also and are sound activated to run random patterns so that the strings each light up in colors as they are played. It rocks to Johnny Be Good, and though not a musician reminds me of my love for music. In the case behind me is a few thousand dollars worth of artifacts from digs in the Bible Lands Wine Amphora's, oil lamps, Roman glass tear bottles, bottles,jars,flasks,coins and so on from 1000 BC to 100 AD. Which I hope to soon put into a class or lecture to give people a hands on look at archeology as it relates to scripture. Next to it is a piece of marble with the verse Jeremiah 32:27 etched on it. beside it is a nice plaster painted way logo from the bi-centennial God's Word lighting the way for the USA. On the desk is a 8 inch tall pottery hand painted coffee cup that lights as a lamp. Also on the wall a beautiful hand etched mirror that reads Christ in you The Hope of Glory a gift from a class I did. Each of these things are very special to me for various reasons. If the poster that WG was offering would be special to some one what's the problem? Why can't we just let her sell it and be kind? Does it really need a running commentary? I know you take you fair share or more of crap here. I think you seem to be a pretty good guy all in all if it just weren't for that Catholic thing ( I'm kidding). Even though we seldom agree you seem to be well read and thoughtful in you posts. Somewhere in storage I think I still have one of the posters that WG was selling it's not a bad print all in all although I don't use mine One mans trash is another's treasure. I don't know-it just seems like needless flack for an eBay sale.

Bayunga Nioka-Simbi - Vince Finnigan could tell you how to reach him I think. He said that Bayunga Nioka-Simbi was in ail at some point for holding fellowships last I heard he was out again.

SOME OTHER EBAY SALES -To compare with....... Mark I enlarged the point for you. :unsure: I'll leave everyone to draw their own conclusions of the data.

No this threads not quite dead yet.......... :blink: Dead Man Dead Man - Bob Dylan Uttering idle words from a reprobate mind, Clinging to strange promises, dying on the vine, Never bein' able to separate the good from the bad, Ooh, I can't stand it, I can't stand it, It's makin' me feel so sad. Dead man, dead man, When will you arise? Cobwebs in your mind, Dust upon your eyes. Satan got you by the heel, there's a bird's nest in your hair. Do you have any faith at all? Do you have any love to share? The way that you hold your head, cursin' God with every move, Ooh, I can't stand it, I can't stand it, What are you tryin' to prove? Dead man, dead man, When will you arise? Cobwebs in your mind, Dust upon your eyes. The glamour and the bright lights and the politics of sin, The ghetto that you build for me is the one you end up in, The race of the engine that overrules your heart, Ooh, I can't stand it, I can't stand it, Pretending that you're so smart. Dead man, dead man, When will you arise? Cobwebs in your mind, Dust upon your eyes. What are you tryin' to overpower me with, the doctrine or the gun? My back is already to the wall, where can I run? The tuxedo that you're wearin', the flower in your lapel, Ooh, I can't stand it, I can't stand it, You wanna take me down to hell. Dead man, dead man, When will you arise? Cobwebs in your mind, Dust upon your eyes.

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DH WGThen again it would appear that perhaps you do get it!

Thanks Mark thorough as usual Hey speaking of terms I'm surprised at you Mark at GS it is called making things clear it's only called derailing if you don't agree with the post. I think your ok on that.......

Mark I figured that you had taken Bullinger's account into consideration, the fact that you offered the verses anyway as support that the dead are alive led me to conclude that you did not agree with his explanation at least in some part. It appears that this section gave Dr. Bullinger a bit of trouble as well, you are correct in that he at the first of his commentary does not list it as a parable because it sites a notable example of the Pharisees tradition. However the footnote in verse 31 of his companion Bible at chapter end he seems to except it is. Lightfoot did consider it as one. In any case 'purpose of a parable' works ok for me also. Regarding the facts in a story if this were a true parable as Bullinger points out the thing, history, or story may be true or imaginary but the events must be possible. Certainly not all facts would be ignored however some may, where they would be impossible such as trees speaking for instance then yes the facts would be untrue. In some cases it becomes easy to miss the point getting lost on details that are not pressing to the point. Dan I'm going to check the book out however I must say up front that I don't concur with his theory as you posted. This does not fit with the records of the life of Jesus. Time and time again he faced this issue of social change from the people ,his disciples, and apostles. His purpose was not to bring about social change although a byproduct of belief of his teachings would or could to some extent result in social change. But that was not his focus. Luke 4:17-19 And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 2 Luke 2:49 - And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? Jesus' whole life was about making known the Father and His will he was not concerned with the affairs of Rome or in setting up a earthly kingdom to affect political change but with the kingdom of God The record in Luke is clear what he was teaching it says the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, not some social political gospel. Luke 5:1 - And it came to pass, that, as the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, he stood by the lake of Gennesaret, That said I think it is not out of the realm of possibility that Jesus' parables or stories have levels of depth. So that if one would not accept the primary spiritual point, there is something for everyone so to speak, a secondary point of social value, as mark put it the importance of sharing our wealth those in need. I think God is gracious enough to see that even those who don't believe at least can reap some social good from the scriptures though not His primary wish. I certainly would not profess to be a biblical scholar at any level close to men like Dr. Bullinger, Lightfoot , or a host of others but I am glad to have their work to utilize. That does not make it true because Bullinger said so, they are men like everyone else subject to mistakes, but they are accepted in the Academic circles as biblical scholars. I think Bullinger got it right on this one. In either case I don't like David see it as support for the dead being alive.

ahhhh David I see you found the new line of the Digidove Kimono's Enjoy yourself George!

LOL looks like Dan and I were hard at work at the same time.

Boy I'm so glad to have learned about figures of speech in the Way. The verses in Luke are a parabola or parable they are not a true account of death. In the New Testament instances of the word, it is used of a story with a hidden meaning, without pressing in every detail. This likeness is generally only in some special point. Parables are used from the resemblance of the one thing to another. The thing may be true or imaginary but the events must be possible or likely to have happened At any rate those that hear must believe that they are possible events, though it is not necessary that the speaker should believe them.. Parables often have a misconception that they are to make things clear or plain ,but in truth they are some of the most difficult sections of scripture often to understand. First to really study this scripture section would take more space and time than we or I have here. I'll try to give the some and jist forgive me if I am not clear in my brevity. We have seen from Parables the following: *it is a story with a hidden meaning *It is not pressing in every detail *The likeness is true in one point *It can be imaginary but the events must be possible *The speaker does not have to believe them, but the hearer must believe that they are possible. This section is filled with references to Pharisaical beliefs Vs 22 the angels..... The Pharisees taught that there were three sets of angles for wicked men, and others for good men. Abraham's bosom... The Pharisees also taught that there were three places at death 1. Abraham's bosom 2. under the throne of glory 3. in the garden of Eden. ( Paradise) Speaking of death they would say "this day he sits in Abraham's bosom" vs 23 Another Pharisee teaching was that in life two men may be coupled together and one sees the other after death and conversations take place. (I would refer you to Lightfoots Works Vol. xii for a better study on these things.) Jesus used the Pharisee's teachings which they and everyone else were familiar with to make his likeness in one point he used imagery of familiar Pharisee imaginary stories to tell his hidden meaning. Remember a parable can be imaginary but the events must be possible. This was brilliant on his part he used things very familiar to the Pharisees from their beliefs into a story much like they had told before. Remembering that in a parable the speaker (JESUS) did not have to believe it ( which he did not). but the ones who heard it (The Pharisees) had to believe it was possible which they would have because it was their teaching. Now the point or one place where the likeness is true: It is easy to see what was the design and intention of this parable was, it was not in the story itself, but the Lords words were proved to be true by the results of his resurrection as well as another Lazarus. Note the use of the same name in his story leaving the listener to make the connection. you also have the coupling of two men Jesus and Lazarus from Pharisee teaching. Verses 30 & 31 are the hidden meaning of his parable. The whole story not true in all points but true in one special point which was that the Pharisees did not believe Moses and the prophets nor would his or Lazarus's resurrection make them believe. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (Note the Lords true word in contrast to the rich man's in verse 30) Well that's a very quick explanation of those verses there is a lot more in the word by word breakdown sorry I did not have the time . But something to study maybe? Isn't God's word fun when it speaks for itself. I am amazed at how Jesus took the Pharisees beliefs that he learned from youth and wove them into a story that would expose and convict their hearts.