lindyhopper

I guess CM, what I am saying is in the absolute absence of death, life looses a little meaning. and actually that was my point. You can't ask my last question. Can you ask the first? Can you create spirit if it (God/Spirit) is all encompassing? In whom we live and move. The oneness? Get your own dirt. Ever hear that joke? Well if the spirit that is God was already infinite and everywhere, is it possible to create another spirit within it without an external source? It is impossible. It was already there. There was no need for creation. The spirit that is your spirit was always there and will always be there. So is it alive without a possible death? Or is it just ( )...? And what does that mean for you at death? Your spirit goes "BACK" (?) to God. What ever that means. Boy I am getting in deep on the other side. Then again maybe spirit was just the wind and at your last breath it is bloooooowwwwn back to the air. You know, an ignorant figure.

WHoa! A play on words from the def. But how will you know the answers when you can not hear them?

Uh oh, I feel a Bob Stanley song comin' on. " Who are you? Why are you here? What should you do with your life?" Noooo nooooo eighties way flashbacks!!!!! Oh GOD NOOOOO!!

Oh and hi JFO. I played soccer too. but was sidetracked by skateboarding before college. Hey and I used to kick foot! lol

Hey speaking of ***'s Radar said, kick foot without any ***'s. I'm tellin' mom!

Seeing as God is suppossed to be infinite- always was and always will be- was here before everything was and could be here after everything was... He lives for himself. He has no choice but to live. Then again, seeing as He created life and all that surrounds it, does God really live? Seems that would be another one of those condescencio thingys. Living is a human thing, a life thing. Does being the author of something mean that you possess that which you have authored? And if so, I don't care how you semantically strain it, God would also be the author of death. So who does God die for? See what I mean? It doesn't work. Don't we all just love it when that happens to us. Now get back on your knees!

lol GMJr. Slim was the first name I thought of as well. I guess that makes it established. -->

Mine was Ron Nicaraqua. lol

Lets see, by the time I was 18 I had lived in 5 different states, 7 cities, and 11 different houses. Then I moved here for school. After four or five years I was ready to go, but I stayed, and I stayed and stayed. Well I have moved 10 times in the 13 years I have been here. Now here I go again, off to another state and town. Hopefully for good. But I don't like moving. I like traveling. We have done plenty of that. We do long weekend trips.

Come back ROR I just realised that you said you had a really bad day and then everyone talkind all over you. Come back

most of the things I see on the site refer to teens. later

Thanks WG, that is the quote I remember from TWI. They put out a paper on homosexuality and some extreme groups as representative of gay people. I can't think that NAMBLA is representative. As I said it is not like I am a NAMBLA supporter, but I am at a point in my life where I question everything I was taught and told while growing up in TWI. I remember that quote, but I don't see it on the NAMBLA website. I see a lot of other crazy things but not that. I would think that if it were thier motto it would be on that site. Do you have a reference? OK I'll start a thread. After I eat.

YEAH, one of the best terrible movies I've seen in a long time.

Actually, you're right, you didn't soundlike you were. My bad. :o--> That was maybe a kneejerk reaction to the way that many Christians ask the question, including the former Christian Lindy. you seem to be honestly looking for an answer. Sorry.

Concerning the topic at hand, I think that murder deserves death, child molestation deserves death, I can't say that kidnapping deserves death outright, depends on the circumstances I guess. I don't agree with paying taxes to feed, house, clothe, bathe, educate, and supply recreation for any sick, wacked out, freak of a human. Having said that, I know that pedophelia is not about sex for the criminal. It is a mental problem. Problems with power and control. I have a hard time, though, deciding whether these people deserve treatment. Untill then, I say, fry thier asses.

I guess we were posting at the same time, P Mosh. yeah, what he said.

I do not support NAMBLA nor do I want to derail this thread. If someone wants to start one go right ahead. but to be clear... from HAMBLA's home page: and from the ACLU's website: If there is evidence to the contrary, we can discuss it on another thread.

While I have had loving parents I have seen enough to know that "father" does not equal "love". People have different ideas of what love is and what a father is. If the Bible is to define it's own terms and there are thousands of different christian groups all claiming differnt "Biblical" ideals, that puts us in a bit of a pickel. From my perspective the God of the Bible is not always the greatest dad in the world. That may just be my perspective. Maybe that is what it is all about. God isn't really love. That is condesencio (never spell that right). Love is a human concept and its meaning is as varied as we humans are. Maybe, if there is a God, that is what we need to learn. In it's most basic form love is respect, IMO. Respect someone else's opinions, choices, the way they live their life, treating them the way you would like to be treated. In the twi, love was obedience. I only have one kid, and of course I want him to do what I tell him to. I want him to do it the first time. It is a rare day in which that happens. Of course when our kids don't obey, we still love them, but more importantly for this discussion, they still love us. Love does not equal obedience! Now if I had never seen or heard anything of my father except for what other people had told me about him, I may respct him. Then again, maybe I wouldn't.

Something about the North Star was what I was thinking. ;)-->

JerryB, I am with ya on the Peleg thing. I wonder how much we really know about the entire Bible, much less 14 words of it. Although, having been taught this stuff for so many years, I tend to look at it as, "if this were true, what would it mean about these other issues?". I used to wonder how they could construct a skeleton out of just a few bones or a skull, until I took a class where we studied both current and fossilised bones. What you can learn from a skull or leg bone is astonishing. You know the song...the leg bone is connected to the and on and on. I used to wonder when I saw archeological digs how they could pick out a house that has decomposed into dirt from the rest of the dirt. Then I did a dig at Jamestown. It became abundantly clear. There are many things that I haven't understood until I got some first hand experience...an issue we all have to deal with.

Yes Ala, you are one of the funny ones. Thank yall Texans as well. Your stories give me hope for my family. I agree on GSpot being therapeutic. It has helped me express myself clearer, think more seriously about things, as well as become more honest and aware of what I was once apart of in twi. All of which has helped me realise who I am and who I was all along.

I will be the first to admit that I don't know everything. Shoot, I don't know a lot of things. I do know a way to make it look as though I was levitating if you stood about 8 ft away from me and looked at me from the side. It is an illusion. Magicians are illusionists. They are very good at it. They have to be, that is how they make thier living, not in selling truth, but selling an illusion. The better the salesman, the better the illusionist. There are definately many things that I have seen that I can't explain difinitively. Which is why I won't be able to answer your question. You see that is part of the beauty of being agnostic. If you don't know something, you don't have to make up an answer for it. Being in the know is not part of the gig. It is, as I have said before, being honest both to yourself and to others. What is interesting is how you ask the question as if I should be able to come up with an answer, as if not being able to puts me at some sort of disadvantage. Unexpainable seems to equate spiritual and/or God, not just ignorance.

One other thing. side note If the whole Peleg thing is true, it makes God look like he is just trying things out. If the point of the flood and the seperation of continents was to make it so that evil wouldn't congrigate and overrun the earth, then why start with the flood? The seperation of continents seems to have worked for much longer than the flood did, start with that. anyway, sorry it is late.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the reagular old garden variety death on a massive scale. Maybe I don't know about this, but was the natural extinction of entire species part of God's plan? I don't know of any examples. Usually, extinction involves large scale natual disaster or humans. Without those two things animals and nature tend to have a fluctuating balance. Supposedly, God wanted two or seven of every animal on the ark. He wanted to save them, protect them. Later....apparently not so much. If the Peleg idea is true and God seperated the continents in a short cataclysmic event, causing the death of many animals and the extinction of many species, as it would have... then why the lack of concern for those animals at that time. Did they sin against God after the flood? ;)-->

I don't think it is symantics that LG is challenging you with. You want to be literal, well, literally you can't have a day without the sun. You just have cold cold night. That is if you can have a night without a day. Dark and cold. I know, but God said let there be light on the first day. I know that many ID folks like to point out the perfect balance that the earth is in. If we were a little closer to the sun we would fry and a little further and we would be in an ice age. (not neccessarily true seeing that we are actually closer to the sun during our winter, but I digress) But it seems that you are saying the distance isn't that important because plants could survive just fine without it. Seems that was the purpose of the sun, moon and stars, to seperate the night from the day. Apparently, before this there was no seperation. The way you make it sound that wasn't neccessary...three 24hr days had already passed. If we are saying God couldn't have done it in a mere 24 hrs, then you are saying that he (God Almighty all-powerful miraculous miracle worker) needed an entire 24 hrs to do something he could have done in an instant, a nanosecond. Why limit him? Then again to God a day is as a thousand years and vise versa.