lindyhopper

Museum- A building, place, or institution devoted to the acquisition, conservation, study, exhibition, and educational interpretation of objects having scientific, historical, or artistic value. Well, maybe artistic.

If I recall correctly, "The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" was a great album by Ministry. LMAO, Danny. I think the cartoon Anamaniacs, had an episode that had a theme park with "The Bullet Train to Heck". lol

Whoa.

Same ol' same ol' But cna you expect anything less. It is all done by way corps these days. Do you think any of them have the balls to submit something that isn't chalked full of TWI cliches and more of the same ol' ****e?

I think perspective is important in reading anything really, but in the Bible many think it is THE word of da God. That can skew perspective at times, IMO. For example, if the writer was writing from Adam's perspective, Eve would have been the mother of all living. He didn't know of anyone else. Lots daughters had a certain perspective in regards to life on earth as well. If they would have known otherwise they could have saved many of us cringing readers from that uncommfortable story. I was a little shocked to see an article that said many of the same things I have been saying on this thread. Not that I thought I was the only one to have ever seen this, but I have never heard it before and I wasn't expecting it from a Wiccan writer, but so be it.I would say that it is possibly from coming to it having put aside any Christian assumtions or any other assumptions. I think that perspective is also a possible answer to Abi's point about original sin. While it is not what the Judeans believe, it is what Christians believe and Genisis is where they get that from. Perhaps universal salvation is not what is needed for humanity, and the way it is put in this article is just one way of saying that. We are other people, different people. Contrary to christian's perspectives we don't all need thier salvation, thier representaion of Jesus. I also thought the take on Gen 1 vs. 2 was interesting. IMO it makes just as much if not more sense as any other explaination. The redunant explaination of many Christians just seems kinda weak.

Well, Hammer I would think from the verse you posted, that there was already a lot of disputing in and among the Christians of Pauls time. He probably knew that it was the respect that people had for him that sort of kept things together. We already know that in his absense, things got way off. Just look at all the doctrine, reproof and correction going on in the epistles. It makes you wonder what Christianity was realy like in the 1st century outside of the epistles.

A reunion. I like to call it Cream curdling.

Yeah Belle, Our leaders basically said that clearly God had forgiven him, cause look at all these amazing teaching of late, all this "new light" as they put it. So who would WE be to not forgive Tha Man. Everyone ate that up, licking the plate clean. They were disappointed not to hear LCM on SNS later and sooo happy to see him at HQ when many went to visit weeks later.

So is that what LCM meant when he siad ROsie had been acting as a COO for twi for years. Just what sort of operations was he refering to. kidding kind of

Actually the big phrase I remember from LCM about cancer other than it being caused by devil spirits was , "If it has life of it's own...It's Spirit!" That was said in direct reference to cancer. Shows how little the man knew about the disease and biology in general. That sent my mind in a spin and I started asking all kinds of questions in the study group that followed. What about virus'? single celled oganisms? what is life of its own, like we humans have life of our own? All anyone could say was, "well I don't know, but that is what he said, 'if it has life of it's own, it's spirit". Some of them started shaking and going "PEEP, PEEP, POP, BLEEP". Then their robotic brains started to smoke. :D--> The way Martinfail taught it made it sound like the cancer was spirit and that therefore was possession. What a wack job.

Trefor It looks like you have your TV on it's side and you're watching a tennis match.

Actually there were a couple of people that came. It seems there was usually some sort of romantic involvement before twig involvement. I never pressured people the way my mom was pressured to go. I also rarely witnessed to just random people unless we were forced to during an outreach event. It turns out that most of the friends that I had spoken to that I still keep in touch with thought I was a little wacked out. And they STILL hung out with me and were friends with me. WOW! I guess after leaving twi I found out who my friends really were. They are like family.

I had quite of bit of fruit, at least in da corps. That "fruit soup" Ch!p R**va used to make was the worst. ;)--> When playing basketball and someone missed the backboard, rim, and everything, instead of yelling "BRICK!" as many do, we yelled FRUIT SOUP! lol

Ok glad to hear it.

Hey Signals, didn't mean to sound like a know it all. Not at all. Sounds like you had a run in with it and probably know more than most here. It just sounded like you were saying knowing the cancer would enable us to know what caused it. Clearly not what you meant. Obviously as you know it is not that easy. Having said that, as I said before, I would bet on a life time of smoking and drinking had a little more effect than a couple of months under those 'evil' lights. One interesting thing from the site you posted that I didn't know was when cancer matastisizes (spreads to another part of the body, as you said) it is not affecting the new areas cells. For example when VP's Ocular melanoma spread to his liver those were cancerous eye cells in his liver. Same with breast to lung, it is not now lung cancer it is breast cancer in the lungs. I guess that makes perfect sense, I just never realised that.

WN. I didn't realise Don had cancer. I thought that he had Parkinson's for some reason. Maybe there was also a genetic cause for both of them.

Thanks Belle, Like WordWolf said it seems that it was his smoking and drinking that caused the cancer. As we all know drinking an lot alcohol can severely damage your liver. I wonder witch one started first. I would guess the eye and then later to is already damaged liver.

Interocular Melanoma is a fancy name for 'eye cancer'. Cancer is just a mutation of the DNA in a cell from any of a number of reasons, of which we don't know all of them. Once the damage is done your body can't fix it and it replicates uncontrolably. The differnt names of cancers don't have as much to do with what caused it but where in the body it is. From the American Cancer Society "Documents" page..a document on Intraocular Melanoma":

If I were back in BMore and we had a sitter we may have gone to see it tonight. Just because waiting to see it for hours in line at the Historic Senator Theater is also like a cultural event. People dress up and have light saber fights and normal people like us get to sit back, eat pizza,and watch the freak show. lol Then after all that you get in a real person comes out to greet everyone and intorduse the movie, see an old short that somehow realates to the movie, then get disapointed by the flick and go home. :)--> Its tons of fun. We did it for the first two. But since we aren't there we will probably just wait till we can.

Part of the reason for that last bit I said is because your eye is a "privileged site", meaning it has no imunity. It is the same for the womb. Other wise your body would attack that foreign entity (the baby with totally different DNA) as it does to transplant patients. Your eye is this way so that you are not constantly gooping up like you do with conjunctivitis or pink eye (which is not an infection of the eye but an infection of the conjunctiva, the protective membrane on your eyelids). Damn, just a few years of being married to my wife and I sound like an expert. So like I said, the eye tumor could be caused by smoking. Which could cause photophobia as could something going on in his brain. It happens to people with meningitis and other nervous system diseases. It could also happen if the cancer had spread to his brain.

There was a study done in 92 or so that exposed hairless mice to quarts halogen lights for 12 hours a day for a year. 100% of them developed skin tumors, mostly benign but some were cancerous. I don't know how many, but there were only a dozen or so mice so it was deemed a pilot study. Later in 94ish a follow-up study (you've got to love that about science) studied 243 rodents. It was found that three strains of hairless mice developed skin tumors. All of those exposed to the brightest light (10,000 lux)for 12 hrs a day, developed very deformed lessions within 8 months. However benign and cancerous tumors formed from just a 50 watt spot light from the distance of 2 meters. After the first study they required a simple glass filter to be put in front of the light for protection. The second study confirmed that the glass filter protected 100% of the mice exposed to it. So there you go. Now we know VP was a hairless rodent. :D--> I knew it! "R.O.U.S.'s? I don't believing them." Now lets see all the studies on cigarettes and cancer. Do you have that kind of time? No? me neither. My guess, neither were that good for him but the class was filmed in a couple of months and he had a lifetime of smoking. I think the smoking was more likely. I believe that people that smoke can form cateracs and eye tumors from the smoke that they constantly blow up into them. Eye tumors were never found in the studies either. So there you go.

Sir G, I guess I figured it out a little as I was writing. If you look at subtle as 'making fine distinctions' and naked as 'being vulnerable'- they go hand and hand. Especially, when it comes to good and evil. But that is part of the 'dance' as you say. push and pull lead and follow stepping on toes dipping and flipping as Franky Manning called them: Air steps

According to 3:22, it was not a choice of one or the other. God said that they could still eat of the tree of life, but didn't apparently want them to. Why?

Note that 3:5 is the serpent talking and that is exactly what happened. Did they surely die? Could they have still lived for ever if God would have let them. It seems that way. 'It' If they knew what 'it' was wouldn't 'the eyes of their unerstanding' have been 'enlightened'? They wouldn't have needed thier eyes to be opened. And IMO if God has experiencially known evil, that throws a lot of Christianity way off. What stops him from experiencing it still, while we feel the affects? How is that light in whom is no darkness at all? How does that fit with the popular all good, all light, all love model of current Christianity?

I'm still thinking about that Sir G O. CM, All i can say is that I will raise my kids to know the differnce between good and evil. That is what I think we should be looking at. Before they ate that fruit,they didn't know they were naked, after they did. Before they were exactly as God had made them, after, there was something wrong with that. And I really don't think this ginosko has anything to do with experience, but to do with being able to learn to know the difference. One definitions of subtle both in todays usage and in the hebrew word for subtle used in 3:1 is "able to make fine distinctions." Sounds like discern truth from error doesn't it. Funny thing about that is after they spoke with that subtle serpent that is exactly what they could do! As I said I'm trying to stay to a more literal reading of this, but obviously being "naked" could signify being vulnerable, unprotected. have you ever been sitting somewhere and suddenly someone points out that there is a spider or scorpion or snake or something right next to you. Many times people jump back in fear as they realise the danger that they are in. Or someone points out as you are walking along unawares that a car is about to hit you. Samething. Suddenly A and E realised they were vulnerable because they learned of good and evil. Sometimes I tell my wife she knows too much. She is an epidemiologist and deals with acute communicable diseases. She is aware of every disease, how common they are, how easily they are transmitted, what will kill you and what will puke, and believe me some these things are pretty common. So she worries a lot. She knows too much and now I do too. But I would take that worrying over ignorance anyday. Ignorance killed tons of people via the black plague, small pox, typhoid, etc etc. It still kills tens of thousands of people via the flu every year in this contry alone. It kills thousands of entire families via AIDS in africa and continues to. It creates myths and perpetuates itself. I would trade ignorance for a sweaty brow and some fear anyday so that I would know to wash my hands afterwards so that I won't get hepatitis A or anthrax or H flu and to prep and cook that food right before I put it on the table. Surely I will die but it will be a life of learning and experience and stories behind scars and laughing about former ignorance and getting older and wiser. All things that I can't imagine life without. Those fake people in hollywood and the like whose idea of a bad day is one in which thier million dollar outfit wasn't ready at the cleaners; who wouldn't know real suffering if it came up and threw up on them; those people lacking that subtle mind, are usually the most shallow and uninteresting people alive. It is the kids who were picked on in school or the ones that experimented a little with drugs, I said a little, the one with the crazy hair, the ones that were so smart no one like them, those are the kid that grow up to be the most intersting, deep, characters as adults. I want my kd to be on the fringe a little as he grows up. I don't wish him evil, but I know it will happen and with a watchful eye I will welcome the lessons learned. OK this is long enough and it is late and I am rambling. later