lindyhopper

Welcome Lavender, This place can be interesting to say the least. As long as you don't pull a "Refiner", you should be in good shape. I actually really liked him. So, start your story...you were raise JW?

Yes, Ron, actually it is true.

Dad, I accidentally hit a woman with four arms.

LCM also accuse the Adversary of stealing the Rainbow idea...an idea that at one point he claimed was revelation from God. Came to him as a vision. With him dancing around in his tights and a big rainbow in the background, it is a suprise that he was so upset about all the supposed homosexuals that had "infultrated" der Vay. lol

Volvo- Boxy but good.

Interesting, Ron, I made my point about a group that discriminates and you put organizations of which at least five out of your six fight or have done much to do away with that very thing. Don't try and squeeze what you know I am saying (at least I hope you do) into your narrow definition of discrimination. It shouldn't resort to this but... discrimination- Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice discriminative- Marked by or showing prejudice prejudice- -An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts. -A preconceived preference or idea. -The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. -Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion. Detriment or injury caused to a person by the preconceived, unfavorable conviction of another or others. The BSA has made policies based on fear and ignorance against a group for just being who they are. Now you and other may dis agree with that, but IMO that is based on similarly derived belielfs. So no they are not the same as a group who is trying to fight for equallity or civil liberty. Now I don't agree with everything those groups do but that is what they are trying to do. As to the tax dollars perhaps I should not have said "legally they should not be allowed", but legally there is absolutely nothing wrong with what the school decided. End of story, first page, fourth post. I don't know why it needed to be the fourth and not the second but that is another issue. Again the things you posted about every governmental program or desicion is again not the point. Just because I have a difference in opinion doesn't mean that the government shouldn't do something. This is where we differ and where you are wrong. Being a homosexual is not a difference in opinion or a alternate choice it is the way some people are. That lack of understanding is why the BSA is morally wrong, why you posted this thread, and why after your question was answered sufficiently the debate on homosexuality has continued. All that being said...the BSA had the right to make the desicion they made as did the school. Yet, we continue, I'm sure.

You crazy girls. I think around $125 is pretty standard for a new one. Those mini ipods may be cheaper though.

Well, if Harve requested a demotion, I would imagine RR et al have seen the pattern others made when requestion similar positions. Keeping him in Ohio and at HQ would make it harder for him to make the next step for the door. It could be an assignment to keep him at arms length.

salty dog salt and pepper here lol

Hey Chris, I'm sorry to say that after going past many links to your paper I never read it. That is until a number of months ago. Nice work. Thnak you. It gave me some much needed info in combating my twi family's POVs.

Isn't Vacation Bible School an oxymoron?

Oene, Sorry for the confusion. It was a joke. At least it was to those of us that thought it was funny. To others it was satcastic ridicule. I guess it depends on how you look at it.

OR just call them Heterosexual Boy Scouts of America. Or Stud Scouts of America. Or to hell with this America thing, let them be Boy Scouts of Virginia, or Boy Scouts of Kansas. I think your recollection of history has left out a few key individuals. Hamilton and Madison for example. Two nationalists that were instramental in keeping this country affloat. Without Hamilton, this may not have been the United States of America for very long if ever. He was very partial to that "United" part. He, as a lawyer, was also a major player in forming the laws that help define our freedom of press and assembly. It was kind of a great arguement of chance that happened to comprimise on a dynamic system that is still strong today. That United part of the USA is a great thing. Let the states do what they please and we would be at least two seperate countries today. Let the states do what they want and we would have slavery much longer than we did. Who knows we may have still had it today. Let the states do as they please, as we did with western territory states and you end up with "Bloody Kansas". That didn't work out to well for quite some time there for them and Missori until "Big Brother" stepped in. But that is not what this thread is about. It is about the differnce between private groups (another group Hamilton fiercly faught for) and public, tax financed institutions and property. No one has said here that BSA should not be allowed to do what they have done. The opposite is true. The court as ruled this way. Most people are still OK with that. "What is wrong with the BSA?" was the question. Well morally, IMO, is the discrimination factor. Legally nothing that I know of. Legally though, they should not be allowed to uses a gay man or woman's tax dollars to house their functions when they discriminate against them. I don't know why that is so hard to accept. It doesn't make sense on multiple levels.

I guess there is kill, and then there is overkill. Actually, pitbulls can be very warm, friendly dogs. Although, they can be bred and trained or abused into being very vicious. I think the evil leftist media had a hand in the now pervasive perception that all pitbulls are mean and dnagerous. Good thing lying liberals are the only ones affected by THE media. As to what should happen to this mom...I think she should be tried for involentary manslaughter and negligence and maybe a few other things.

Get it through you thick head, Oenophile, liberalism, which basically includes all institutions of higher learning, equalls bogus(ness?) and/or clostet homosexual. I really wish you would LISTEN and LEARN! Please posts some more sensible links. i.e. Conservative anti-homosexual sites. Thank you.

Well, Song As you get older and the ol' memories start to fade...I can always mail you some baby freshness to bring them back. :D--> You know in our Adv. Cl. I think it was 93' or 92' the 3rd floor west wing became "Vegas Hall". We would sing any and all songs as though we were crooners in an empty, dark Vegas hall. "AmaAaAaAaaaazing Graaaaaaaace ,thank you, Howowowowow Sweeeeeet the sound, YEAH" Don't you go changin'. Johnny Mathis eat your heart out. That brought back that missing fun, at least for a while.

Whoa! Is there a commercial in there somewhere. lol

I must not know any knee-jerk liberals. If theywould say that, I guess I am glad I don't. At times I wish people would have to take a test before they were allowed to have a kid. How's that for liberal? LOL

LOL They were rather eye popping wern't they. "Hey don't drop that! He has no eyes but our eyes!"

Yeah, Oak, why did we lead that way? I guess it looked professional. Decent and in order of course. Although, that was only the case when the person leading had a little rythem and knew what the count was. At some point you were to be trained (at least Adv.CL Grads were) on how to lead a song and write all the counts down in your book. Even that didn't help some people though. LOL That was always funny and a little uncomfortable to watch that person lead. Especially the ones that couldn't move thier hand and arms without moving the rest of thier body up and down. lol Those were the fellowships that almost made it worth going. haha

I was playing with our little man this morning and smelled something nasty. I asked him, "are you poopy?" He said, "No!" Which is almost always the answer in regards to being poopy. So I picked him up and did the old smell test and man that one was a stinker. So I put him on the bed and said, "Boy, you got a stink butt, there's no two ways about it." and I broke into song. :D--> LOL "There's no two ways about it for you labour for da Load" I got to thinking about that song. It was my favorite song as a kid. I remember they sang it at our first fellowship and I loved it. Do you remember the added clapping and "hallaluiahs" and all that. It wasn't everywhere. I can remember at my early Rocks that you would hear some people sing hallaluia and others wouldn't. In Texas they even added a "YEE HA" in there somewhere. Years later, when we all became fully instructed. haha The leaders started to tell people to do songs the way they are supposed to be done. Mrs. Owens hated the clapping and hallaluiahs of "There's No Two Ways About It", so it had to be stopped. We also used to sing it much faster than normal. That stopped as well. Seems even the SATW songs became boring and unexciting. What a lame bunch.

Whoa! Danny droppin' some Marcionian knowledge. :)-->

Absolutely, sexuality shouldn't be an issue. How are you or anyone else secure in knowing the person that you have let your kid go and spend a weekend in the woods with will not harm him in some way? I would assume the answer is that you know that person to a degree that you are comfortable with them. I know I wouldn't let it happen anyother way. So if there were a gay scout leader or a gay scout I would imagine that if you spent a little time with these people you get to know them and hopefully ultimately rule that they are harmless. If not, don't let your kid go on an outing with them. On the other hand, if you just plainly think that gay people are by nature perverts, molesters, and/or pedophile rapists, well then that is just bigotry and ignorance. So if an organisation wants to uphold those standards then that is thier perogative, but again, don't then whine that everyone dosn't just love you. When I was a scout this wasn't an issue. Most of the time kids this age aren't thinking about sex or are too unsureabout it to do or say much about it. Today may be a little differnt. And Raf, I don't think that anyone is trying to force the BSA to be something they aren't, and I think there are some alternatives out there but nothing that is very big yet.

I was apart of a "reproof session" for my TC. I was the assistant and I was there with the BC and LC. They were already having problems before this though, it wasn't like it was a twi created problem. I was asked to say something and i did give some advise. They ended up getting divorsed, the husband left twi and the wife stayed but was later kicked out for something that someone who was staying at her house did to her kid (supposesdly). They blamed her. I saw the husband a few months ago. He is happily re-married and seemed like he was doing well. I still feel bad about sitting in that uncomfortable meeting. I was friends with the husband and didn't see him after that (untill recently). I shouldn't have been there.