Nottawayfer

Tom, This is a quote from Oakspear about it: Yep, that is what martinpuke taught, and people bought it.....sheesh!

Wayward, I'm ROFLMAO, because that is so true!!

I hated that teaching on "4 Ds". I always thought is was BS putting decision before desire. I think desire has to be there before you ever make a decision. God builds desire in us to achieve things for Him. This teaching is just a way to teach the koolaid drinkers to make decisions and then tell God what they want Him to do to bless them. There's no inspiration or working of God going on in that treacherous place. I had an innie friend who complained that there was no new research going on. I asked her why she stayed. She responded nobody else in the world was doing any research either, so she would just stay where the best resources were available.....what kind of koolaid would you like today, honey? This same person got kicked out of the kork a few years ago. She came to live with me when she first got booted. She kept claiming the ministry was a cult. Of course my pea-brained wayfer brain kicked that idea out. I knew her as a trouble maker, so I figured she got kicked out for making trouble. Now I think back, she was making the right kind of trouble. I wonder if she got squashed in her desire to make things right? Too bad. I knew so many people go in to the kork to "make things right". They will just graduate to be kork pee-ons unless they kiss enough arse to become a region coordinator or something.

I really liked Vicki Allen. When she sang "Walking in the Steps of Jesus Christ" and "God's Word Is Everything to Me", it inspired me. I don't necessarily agree with all of the lyrics, but those songs made an impact on me back in the day. Anybody hear what's up with her and her hubby since they left twi?

Was that D*br* Olth**se? She "owned" that song in my opinion. I remember being shocked that the song was not a Way song because she sang it with such heart, love, and soul. I loved the way she sang it. She's still in and doing Way Prod. Sad.....she and her husband are good people.

I HATED door-to-door witnessing myself. If I know someone comes to my door and they are Mormon or JW, I tell them I was already involved in a cult for 20 years and that I am not looking for another to join. I live in Mormon country right now, but I haven't seen any missionaries. When I was on staff in Ohio, there were Mormon missionaries there. I noticed them following me in KMart one day. I knew I was being pegged for witnessing. When they approached me, I told them I worked at The Way. They said OK and walked away. Right now we get people at our door invituing us to to t a christian concert. They are honest though. They say that people will be there to talk about Jesus. I just tell them I am happy at my church and that I'm born again already.

Oak, Get down with your bad self! :D--> I remember hearing rfr complain that her announcements ended up on the internet within hours of giving them. Obviously not all the Corpse and Staff are stupid.

Hooner, Are you "out" of the offshoot you were/are in? Just wondering.

Leaders Meetings at HQ should have happened by now, and twit should be making some announcements as to who the leadership will be in the USA on a sns teaching, unless they are not giving that information for someone to post on GSC :)-->. If someone is moving, they know already where they are going, and they will move some time in August.

Excellent points! JesusFreaky: awesome story! WashingtonWeather: Hi girl!! Good point about the drowning victim! Insurgent: Good point about us all being sinners. Wayfers don't acknowledge that aspect of their lives. They don't acknowledge that their sin nature is what makes them DEPEND on God. It's like they think they get forgiven once and move the way they want to the rest of the time, forgetting God in the picture. I'm approaching God with a new attitude in my life, and that is one of "show me what You want in my life." I trust Him because He knows what I need even more than I do for myself. It's a learning process, and it isn't always easy for me. But I am confident in knowing that I recognize God can do more for me than I gave Him credit for in the past.

Very nicely said WW :)-->

Martinpuke's ego led up to this doctrine I'm sure. When I was on staff I heard him say that the reason vpw's theory on man's origial sin didn't take off because it wasn't completely clear. After spending a few years listening to martinpuke at lunch every day, I know he likes the spotlight. I'm surprised he didn't call himself an apostle for shedding new light on this area of the Bible.....ok i'm gagging here. Anyway, I never understood why veepee said masturbation was man's original sin, and then turns around later IN THE SAME CLASS and says masturbation is something we should do if we are single. I alway scratched my head on that one. But as a good little wayfer, I "held it in abeyance" until I became more spiritual...whatever. When martinpuke let the grads see his foundational class, the response of people in my class on the eve being a lesbian thing was shocking to say the least. It raised all kinds of questions in my brain. It was confusing, and I never understood how he got to that answer. I know now: HE WAS/IS FULL OF ....!!!

DMiller: It's all good. I wasn't offended at all. ;)--> ************************** WordWolf, OK! Now I get what you were trying to say (light bulb going off in head FINALLY!)!

No, I am not a picker. I think my dislike for "Farther Along" stemmed from the deadness in twi while singing that song. Since leaving, the church I attend has sang a few hymns which I recognized from my twi days. The songs have a much different feel when sing them now. Singing in twi was just part of the ritual, and twi taught that singing to bring in the holy spirit was wrong. I have a different take on it now. Singing in church now gets me in the mood....not meant to be a sexual term, OK? It now is just a means for me to ask God to come near. I know He's always there for me, but it means more to me when I invite Him. I guess I'm saying it means more to me when I exercise my freedom of will to ask Him to come in to my life.

Hooner, your mom is a smart lady. We were taught to tell God what we wanted to happen in our lives. We never were taught to ask Him to lead us. It was all about us and how great our believing was. Sounds to me like we were taught to be our own god.

Many times in our cult lives, we were accused of not believing enough if something went wrong. I've since learned that sometimes $hit happens, and your victory in life is how you overcome the situation, not how you kept it from happening. I really think TWI teaches people to do it all themselves instead of trusting God and giving Him the glory. Example: My ex-innie-boyfriend told me a situation where he was given revelation to NOT go with some friends because if he did, he would die. He gave the glory to twi and how they taught him how to receive revelation (GAG!!!). I was on my way out the door (maybe even out the door already), and asked him where God got the glory in that? And if it were revelation, why didn't he warn the people who went? No response was given. Example: My sister moves to an area which gives her extreme asthma attacks. She's sitting at the Thanksgiving table hardly able to breath, but not wanting to do anything because she doesn't want to be reproved for not believing. My mom (not involved anymore) was there and recognized her situation and put the dinner off to take her to the hospital. My sister was constantly dogged about her believing on this situation. The Way claims there is no power in the mind, yet they teach our believing controls outcomes in life. Their tactics never involve God except when they say their catholic-like ritual "in the name of Jesus Christ." But do they really involve God? I really think it is a ritual to say the prayer the right way, and then the "believing" is up to the person, thus taking God out of the equation. It's all a formula which doesn't allow God to really work. I'm really trying to get this category of my life straight. I haven't figured out all the answers on this. Any of you out there got any new experiences in truly trusting God?

I as in twi, and my sister was involved in a Geerite offshoot for many years. She left her offshoot many years before I left twi. She understood what I went through when I left and was/is a great support to me. For me, being in for almost 20 years, it was worse than my divorce. After looking back, I felt very angry about dedicating my life and giving without hesitation only to be disregarded in the end because my feelings didn't matter. I have moved on since then (it's been 1 1/2 years now since leaving). I moved on with the help of a divorce care group at a local church. It helped me with my feelings of anger, lonliness, and resentment--all things you exerience in a divorce. It was healing for me. Others found healing in other things. My healing started in being able to vent my frustrations and feelings on this forum. There are many understanding people who will lend an ear. Welcome to the cafe, and good luck (Yep, I use that word now!! :D-->) on your journeys.

Quoted by WordWolf: WW, maybe we are misunderstanding each other. I don't understand where you thought I am talking about being saved. I was just agreeing with Exousia on the fact that songs which tease people about belief systems or life-styles is not a way to make friends or glorify God. I am in to treating people kindly whether I agree with them or not. That's all. Sorry if I misundertood your comment. I am just confuserated right now on what you wrote to me.

Yeah, what Exousia said last! I am not in to teasing people about their beliefs or life-styles. God's love is unconditonal, remember? How do you expect to gain access to anyone's heart or gain a friend if you are teasing them about something?

Talk about taking control over people...sheesh! I remember being on staff and it was a requirement for us to report to our overseers if we had a gathering of more than 3 people. We had to report who was coordinating, who was coming, where we were going, how we were getting ther, and how long it was going to last. The explanation I was given for this was because if there was a gathering of more than 3 people, then it was an event. Crap like that caused so much confusion. What if I made a trip to the mall with one other person. We run in to 2 others, then what? It's a ministry event? So God forbid, don't eat lunch together when you see each other out and about!! Their STUPID rules caused more questions because THEY DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE!!!! HEAR THAT BOD OF TWI????? You think you cover all ground, but you confuse the hell out of people!!! Can you say "anal-retentive"? That's what your attention to detail is...

I agree "Farther Along" was a bad song. It made me feel down-trodden. Like I was some kind of old soul waiting to see Jesus and get some explanation. I never really felt that way because WE HAD ALL THE ANSWERS!!! (not really). But that song really is a bummer. It didn't make me feel excited about God.

Coffee houses....ewwww!!!! I was involved in one of those before I left. Hardly anybody showed up. It was mandatory for us to attend from our nazi TC. We all HAD to do something. There were only 5 of us in the fellowship. I sang "In the Garden" acapella. I cringe every time I think about that. Nobody was so moved by our love that they came to fellowship either. I think they could tell it was kind of forced upon us.

Rascal, Morning wake-up song, huh? I can roflmao picturing these adults doing that, sorry! I remember my little sister learning that song in preschool, but it was like this (referring to Abraham in the Bible): Father Abraham Had many sons, Many sons had Father Abraham, I am one of them, and so are you...... Can't remember the rest.

I disagree with you OM. Telling a child to stay away from the stove doesn't usually cause them to be scared of the stove. They usually learn to say "hot" every time they are around one. Fear motivation causes torment in people. Telling someone to abort their child or disappoint God in their commitment is terrible. Telling someone leaving twi will cause them to die is terrible. I know I lived that fear, and it was nothing like my mom telling me to stay away from a hot stove or to not go out and get drunk when I was a teenager. I knew my mom had MY best interest in mind. I believe abortion is a terrible thing. I don't know at this time where I stand on whether it is murder or not because I still have that verse in Genesis waving around in my mind. And that verse only means what I learned in twi about it. Shame. Why is having a baby so bad even if you conceived it in the worse case scenario???? A life can be born in to this world, and it can have the opportunity to love God, see His grace and mercy. People have babies unexpectedly every hour of every day, and people learn to see the joy in the situation. I don't understand why twi had to be so treacherous on this issue. Damn, I hope those dummies in Ohio learn a thing or two from us on this issue. But then again R*c* M*gn*ll* taught about it at their last ACS. Glad I didn't drink THAT koolaid.

Sometimes I wondered how they still called themselves Christian with such controversial lyrics. Trinitarians are not bad people. I've met quite a few in the past year, and I have to say they express a lot of love. I would never consider them evil. I've met some pretty nice homosexuals too. I haven't met any witches I've known of though. But I'm sure there are a few good-hearted ones out there too. ;)-->