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Nope. But I got caught in an embarrassing moment by a kork grad when my boyfriend and I were sitting in the back of the class.

Oh Goey, I remember that spiritualizing BS. It still nauseates me today. I took that damn class wayyyyyy too many times. I took it 7 times my WOW year because we ran that many. Now ask me how many of those at least 49 people stuck around? They were the smart ones....

How about a drink called an Alienator? It could be Everclear with OJ and grendadine? With everclear, it might be more of a mind sweeper though. Just don't smoke while you drink this one.....LOLOLOL

I left 1 years 10 months and a few weeks ago. Once I made the decision to leave, I have NEVER regretted it and never looked back to that horrible hell hole. I left because: I had a Nazi fellow.... coord who wanted to tell me how to live my live. She told me I could not fly across the country to visit my boyfriend when I had no job. I told her that I would let her know when I got back and to not schedule me to teach. she asked me why I didn't include her in my decision to move. Afterall there is safety in a multitiude of counselors. I told her I was not confused about my decision and didn't need her insight. My BC told me that my boyfriend and I had not better make anyone uncomfortable in the branch with our relationship or we wouldn't be able to have a ministry wedding (--> whatever...). He hadn't even moved to my town at that point, so I didn't understand why that was even being brought up. I saw several other instances of people who were told not to start a relationship because it wasn't the best thing for the household. I was on Staff for 5 years (3 of which were my last years in twi), and I saw the staff treated like slaves. I saw leadership even more hypocritical. TWI was the worst working conditions I ever worked in as far as harassment and hostile work environments. I was paid a lousy salary and was expected to act like God was meeting my need. I saw that my life in twi was a BIG FAT LIE!!!! I didn't have the right to believe whatever I wanted in to my power, to tell God what to do and how I wanted Him to do it, and I realized I had no relationship with Him. Sure, there is hypocracy in places of employment and churches, but hypocracy is the worst when you proclaim yourself to be the only one to have the truth and to be the only who receives from God. TWI is a farce. I'm glad I got the H out.

Well, what does a Mars Bar have in it? Chocolate, nougat, almonds? I can't remember. He could work along those lines. Sunrise reminds me of a tequila sunrise. Maybe something other than tequila with orange juice and grenadine. Soemthing you wouldn't expect. Maybe a liquor like melon or something.

I don't know about DM and RFR being lesbiefriends. But I do know they took vacations together. And one vacation was to take the youngest martindale child to disney world. loy boy joked that they were going to rehab. I thought that was a weird joke to make. I knew a guy on staff who worked in a department where they went to all of the way-owned buildings. There used to be two women who shared a room in the basement of RFR's house. One was a supposedly reformed lesbian. I had highly doubted she was no longer a lesbian. And these two women were inseparable. This guy said he went to do some work in their room, and there was only one bed for these two women. Seems kinda odd to me. Why would the VP (at that time) of the way have two women sleeping together in her very own house? Why wouldn't she know what was going on in her own house? Yes, it raised a lot of questions in my mind. But I heard it from someone else, so I can't guarantee it all really happened. But then again, why would this guy lie? I completely agree with Radar. People's sex lives are their own business UNLESS they are leadership in an organized religous organization who preach the opposite of what they are practicing. The early to mid 90s were terrible when the roar and witch hunts were on to "mark the homo". I saw a lot of good people hurt by that craziness.

Are you saying that innies don't know that the Allen lawsuit is settled? That is kind of hard for me to believe. I was on Staff, and I knew it was over. I also knew about the Peeler case before leaving twi. Maybe on the "field" they aren't talking about things, but I know the Staff were when I was there. I left twi HQ in 2001. I do know that when I went out on the field I was specifically told to NOT talk to anyone about what happened with lcm and the Allen case. I was instructed to tell them to talk to their fellow.... coord. Like I was going to do that...... --> I was ready to talk to anyone who asked me. Nobody ever asked though.

Excie, Trust me; there is absolutely nothing that is remotely similar to twi in this book. Had it been, I would have been the first person to back out of it.

Dmiller, Go to Walmart. You can find the book there. I think there could be skepticism from ex-way people about this book. I already knew a lot of the principles from twi, but the difference IMHO is that the book covers it in a light of the WHOLE BODY OF CHRIST!! That is a HUGE difference from twi. And the other differences are that it's taught from a perspective of Christ TRULY being the Head of the Church, not witnessing some stupid class. It was refreshing for me to participate in it with people who really want to strengthen their relationship with God not just get to the Advanced Class. There's a lot more heart in this book. I would be willing to bet that the author of the book has donated a lot of books to churches. He already has a HUGE church in southern California who has already been "raised". He's teaching other churches how to be unified like he's seen in his own church. That's is a great task. But it truly is wonderful when you see it work. I miss my church in San Diego. If any of you are interested in hearing any of the teachings from it, the website is www.cvcf.com. The pastor at that church really helped to revive my trust and love in God after twi.

The church I attended in San Diego studied that book last year. It was a great time. The weekly teachings were based on it, and our small groups discussed the teachings. It was a refreshing experience because a lot of things were shared from the heart, not just because you were called upon. I saw a great sense of "togetherness" in our congregation as a result of that book. And the feeling of togetherness was not just our congregation but with other churches in the community. My small group had women in it from other churches.

Steve! I like Margaritas on the rocks. Have you tried your recipe that way? Just wondering how it is that way. I LOVE margaritas, but I could never find a sweet and sour that tastes good enough to make them. I think the limeade would be a better choice.

Uncle Hairy, That is the very reason I cannot watch that show. I gag watching those things. I don't think the people on Fear Factor make enough money to do the things they do.

The only benefit I learned from twi is how to have commitment. Since leaving, I learned that gung-ho commitment, like I had for twi, is not always so admirable. It keeps your mind closed. Abigail, I admire all the things you learned. It took me getting out of twi to learn those kinds of things though. Act2, it sure is humbling to realize all those years we were telling God what WE wanted HIM to do. I too prayed for forgiveness on that. Life is a lot easier when you trust Him to do His will and allow Him to work in your life. Everyday I have to have some kind of thought about that damn place. I guess it was because it took up half of my adult life (so far :)-->) and I was on Staff for 5 years of the last years I spent there. I want to get to the point I don't think about that place or those people who don't really represent God. But I have compassion for people too. I think about those who are still in and were friends of mine. I look forward for the day that they too can have their eyes opened to the reality of that organization. I never realized the impact of twi on my life until my NBW husband told me that he thought I was traumatized by my experiences there based on things I talked about almost daily. God is still healing me though. I am thankful for all that has been revealed to me and how I have changed a lot of my thoughts since leaving almost 2 years ago. Shaking 20 years of impact will take a while.

Tropitinis are my favorite! They consist of 1 Shot Skyy Vanilla Vodka 1 Shot Malibu Coconut Rum Splash of Pineapple Juice Pour all ingredients over ice and shake, don't stir. ;)--> Watch out; they go down easy. It's a lot of alcohol at once. I tried Parrot Bay Coconut Rum once, but it doesn't taste as good.

Depends on the person. If they want to strong-arm people to believe the same way they do, then I don't associate with them. I will respect them as a human being. I never try to push anyone in to believing "my way". My sister and I have come to a great understanding in our differences concerning when life begins. I believe that life actually begins when a fetus can function on it's own (this could be BEFORE full term), but I don't believe in abortion for the heck of it. I teetered on this issue for quite some time after leaving twi. But the invitro fertilization process made me think more. They freeze eggs. Those eggs can become fetuses and possibly a human being. I could never freeze a human being and expect them to have life again. Although science could prove differently. If so, I will change my mind again. ;)--> I still teeter on the different stages of the fetus though. My sister and I still respect each other's views. I could have the same respect even if she were not my sister.

Wow. When I read this, it gave me chills. Martinpuke truly is a disturbed individual. I remember having thoughts while I was on staff that he was overly paranoid. I saw that kind of paranoia with my ex-husband who was a drug user. The paranoia is that people are always against them and trying to get to them. It's a really scary characteristic. TWI was really run by a crazy man. He should have had psychiatric help a long time ago when he was thinking about committing suicide. I didn't know Mark Wallace was a best friend of Martinpuke. He used to be my BC. I remember thinking he was a die-hard, but I never knew it was to the degree it was. I remember thinking it was odd that he was made a LC though. I always thought that Josephine was a gossip. She used to tell me way too many details about other people's lives. Thanks for sharing this. It really filled in some cracks for me. Catcup, I am so sorry your daughter had to experience that horror. That would have scared the hell out of me.

Actually she's been ordained for many years. She was ordained with a group of women in her corps group by vpw himself. That group included M*rc*a Gr**n.

Most awesome pics cowgirl! Thanks!! Spring and Fall are my favorite seasons.

Nope, never, ever again will I go back to twi. They can apologize with all the heart of God and it could be a true apology, but I I have absolutely NO desire to ever associate with them again.

Shelbert, Are you saying the slowness on logins and search sites for you was caused by chewed wires?

Jetc57, Craig M dumped the WOW program in 1994, and he started a new program called Disciples of The Way in 1995. The Way changed to the prevailing word theme several years ago (1997). The video you saw must have been an older one as those ladies have been twi's front singers for several years. They call them Singing Ladies of The Way. We here at GSC became aware that she is no longer at HQ but relocated to Atlanta on a new assignment. I would be sure she is still active with twi though.

They were on staff at HQ from 1996 to 1998, and then they left to move to Florida. They used to live in Wisconsin too. Anybody know their whereabouts? I knew they left twi shortly after leaving staff, but I haven't heard anything since.

If she did goes into the korpse, then she should be in rez now. You could always call Gunnison and ask for her. The korpse I knew before I left used to get to talk on the phone quite a bit. They wouldn't send her to HQ until she graduates, unless the poor girl was lucky enough to find a potential husband to go on assignment as a branch coord or something (if that's actually lucky -->).

I have DSL, and most of my internet usage is quite fast. But when I log in to certain sites (i.e., GS Cafe) or do searches (i.e., google), I get locked up for a short time. When I type in directions in to yahoo maps, forget it. It goes much slower. Anybody have any ideas what's causing this?

I have to say that quote is complete crap. I got to know my Lord much better IN CHURCH!!!