Nottawayfer

Is that the class that they had the J*e and L*nda Coult*r teach?

We could start a completely different thread on how women were supposed to be able to pee against a tree. I guess in rare occasions, some can. I, personally, wouldn't want to try.

I like that! That is an awesome way to describe a great relationship--thanks!

I think there was some of that going on. There wouldn't have been so much MOG worship had there not been the desire to have the MOGs approval of our lives. Joyce Meyer talks a lot about giving your money to her ministry otherwise you won't get anything out of her ministry. I think she's kind of moggish (she has that midwestern maiden look with the tacky earrings). I went to see her in San Diego a few years ago, and I was taken back by her thoughts about giving to HER ministry. I know she has a few good things to teach, but the money thing really got to me.

Bliss, I left 2 1/2 years ago. I had a boyfriend who remained in. We kept dating for 4 months after I left, but I kicked him to the curb because of his rotten and offensive conservative attitude. (I am not saying all conservatives have rotten and offensive attitudes.) I left without telling anyone. I sent an email to my FC and BC and told them that I would no longer be attending fellowship. I also told them that I wanted no contact--no phone calls, visits, or emails. I got one from the BC telling me how sad it was and asked if she contributed to it. I never answered her. I was afraid to make that decision for several months. My main fear was "Where will I go?" God had more than taken care of me. I have received great healing in my heart from the pain I experienced from twi. I felt betrayed by them because of giving them almost 20 years of my life and learning they hid so much evil. Churches can be a great place to decompress. You may have to go to a few before you find one that suites you. You will have a lot of things to deal with in your mind when you go (i.e., trinity), but the love there is real. I've seen many churches who truly care about their congregation and their community. That speaks volumes to me. Maybe you don't want to go to church. I tried a few offshoots when I left, but it was twi-lite for me. I couldn't hack it. Whatever you do, you will be happier to be out of a religion (yes, twi IS a religion) that is a big farce. You will start to discover more about yourself and won't be so uptight about use of words or other anal things like that. :P-->

coolchef, they do that so the local leadership has the opportunity to see if they know who you are and whether they think you are really wanting to go to fellowship. I think it's more of a control issue. They have to protect the household you know.

Likeaeagle, I think you shouldn't expect too much from her. She was never a very compassionate person IMHO. And she may end the conversation if she thinks you are expecting an apology from her. I don't think that they make apologies to people they wronged. Look how many are here at GSC who are still have apologies due to them. It's very sad....and twisted. You should be able to call HQ and ask for her. They shouldn't ask who you are if you are calling for someone there. I know my family never got that when they called me. My hunch is that she is living off grounds since she has been staff for so long. TWI is allowing Staff to live off grounds if they have been on Staff 7 years or longer (maybe after 5 years). She was at HQ before 1996, then she was full-time, then she came back to HQ, so I think she meets that requirement. I would think so many years of dorm life for a woman who may never get married would drive someone crazy. If she is living off grounds, maybe you can call information to get a number. She would be living in St. Marys, New Bremen, or New Knoxville. I doubt twi would allow anyone to live as far away as Sidney or Celina.

It was some time before 2000 that Andre was in a car accident which took his life. We were told he was traveling to visit his sick father. At that time, he was the county coordinator of the Democratic Republic of the Congo (formerly known as Zaire). I believe Roger is now the country coord.

Well I haven't done research per se, but I have my own experiences. I got married (2nd time) at 40. I was divorced for 9 years before marriage #2. I didn't learn to be satisfied by myself until I actually left twi. I think the reason for that is because I had been involved with a few men while I was in and now realize I was only with them because they were "the best available".... --> God saved me from some really bad situations now that I look back. Especially the last wayfer I dated. He was a controlling bastage. We still dated for a few months after I left twi, and I realized in a few short months that he was offensive and judgmental. I HATED that!!! I finally told him that I didn't want to be with him because his personality was offensive to me, so why would I want to marry him? Had I stayed in twi, I never would have made that decision. Thanks, God, for the save! I had almost a year by myself before I met the wonderful man I am married to now. Although I spend many years crying about getting married again while I was in twi, I now see that as a blessing. Had I gotten married in twi, where would I be now? My husband and I have such a great partnership, and I would hate to think that I would be bound up in a depressing relationship as a submissive wife. I bought in to all of that crap. Once I was out, I finally saw that marriages weren't doomed or devilish if the wife wasn't submissive. I had a lot of time to reflect on what marriage really should be. I'm thankful for that. But also I had time to realize that a man didn't complete me. I never would have admitted that before, but it was true I was waiting for a man to complete me. I do think women spend a lot of time reflecting on themselves after they get past the point of feeling sorry for themselves for not being married. Unfortunately, I saw so many women sad from this in life. I really feel for them--especially if they are still in twi. All of their "believing" is nill if there aren't enough men to go around. Gawd, maybe that's how polygamy got started.....hmmmmmm

Oh Belle, do I ever know how you feel. I was a part of Weight Watchers 6 months before leaving twi. I made friends with a lady who I consistently saw at the same meeting I went to. I approached her and starting talking about points in certain fast foods. We decided to meet for dinner, and the rest is history. Even though I've moved to a neighboring state and got married, we are still friends and make it a point to see each other at least 2-3 times a year. Another thing I did when I first left twi was made friends via internet dating websites. Women can search for women. I just read a couple of profiles of women in my area who seemed to have some things in common. I approached them letting them know I wasn't responding to them for romantic reasons. I made a couple of friends that way also. I think there are websites that specialize in friendships also, not just dating.

I know what you mean CoolChef. Violence isn't the answer even for men as a$$inine as Martindale. I am happy to let the karma cards fall whey they may or let God deal with Martindale the way He sees fit. I have to remember that God is a righteous and fair Judge. That should make Martindale shake in his boots. Martindale hid a lot of stuff from the people he "pastored", but he was never able to hide it from God.

Prayperoni....ROFLMAO!! :D--> We could all use a few menu items that would result in justified never ate.....Eating for sheer satisfaction without the consequences or having to exercise. I wonder if it will be that way in heaven??

OMG! I've been out long enought I almost forgot that attitude! So now that explains why Jesus is absent; they don't need him. Wayfers all walk around being their own saviors....Now that's scarey!!! I wonder what Martindale thinks of that now. Obviously he couldn't get beyond the temptation. He even twisted the Word to satisfy his own sin. His whole soap box on the Ecumenical Movement was just a conspiracy theory. I knew people who spent hours on the internet looking up proof of that crap. Then they would send Martindale the stuff they found. That's right....feed the fear of the lunatic. Lordy!! Glad I don't subscribe to that garbage anymore.

Now why not? I was kinda hoping that those who wanted to clock Mr. Martindale would be able to do so at some time either in this life or a later one :D-->. I hope Mr. Martindale learns first hand about karma. He definitely hasn't received half of what he deserves

Ex, My Father was a once-a-week binge drinker who came home and verbally abused his family--sometimes threatening to shoot us while he was holding a gun. My brother and I learned at a young age to just go to bed as soon as he got home so we didnt' have to deal directly with him even though we could hear him ranting and raving at our Mom and sometimes being physically abusive toward her. I hated and disrespected him most of my adult life. He doesn't do it anymore. When I was in twi I depressed the hurt I felt from my childhood because I thought that the Word was supposed to heal my heart. I so wanted to confess my wholeness by "doing the Word". It didn't work. After getting out of twi, I decided that I needed to forgive my Father because I wanted to be able to move on without having the heaviness in my heart about my childhood. I sent him an email telling him basically his drinking DID affect my childhood and my confidence and that it hurt me emotionally. I also told him I forgave him and that if he wanted to talk about it, I was there to hear him. I haven't heard squat to this day. At first I was pi$$ed off because I wanted him to validate my feelings of hurt. But then I realized that my forgiveness wasn't based on him validating my feelings. I've moved on since then. I see him as a very sad individual with many emotions pinned up inside him because he is too scared to deal with reality of his actions and life. I just love him as much as I can and hope that my ability to forgive him sparks something in his heart so that he can get out of his own misery. Forgiveness does a lot for the forgiver. Some things are instantaneous, some things still take a while. But it does work. Forgiveness does not mean that you excuse the wrongs done to you; nor does it required to wrong-doer to ask for it. It allows you to have peace that was stolen from you. I am sorry for your hurt. I pray you find what it is that you need.

I worked at Bennigan's for 2 years. I started there on my WOW year as a waitress, bartender, and admin. I wouldn't say they necessarily have an Irish atmosphere. I think it is almost exactly like TGI Friday's except the color scheme is Kelly Green instead of red and white. Their menu was very similar to Friday's also. But then again, I haven't been to one in eons. Afterall, It's been 20 years since I worked there.

I still believe in SIT, but not everything TWI taught. I think they put too much emphasis on manifestations (which make me gag every time I think about how it was done), and they made it too senses oriented. I am now happy singing at praise and worship time because it helps me to express my heart to Him without telling Him what I'd like Him to do for me. It's just a time to tell Him that I love Him and everything He's ever done for me. It is very refreshing compared to the ever-repeating BS messages in manifestations.

Jonny, Try this: http://gscafe.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/7.../3076018975/p/1 I think it is still on the open forum. I did a search for it.

I tried CES. It was wayyy too weird for me. Then I called up W*yne Cl*pp. He didn't have any CFF fellowships in San Diego, but he referred me to a Geerite group. I went and was gagged by the VP and Uncle Harry worship. People there said they never thought of themselves as "leaving the ministry". They couldn't even understand from where I was coming, nor did they seem to care. I never went to another offshoot. I decided then that I needed to find a church that I could be happy with, and I certainly did. BTW, I did chat one night here at GSC with a young man involved with a CFF group, and I was impressed with his outlook on other groups than the one he was involved with. He didn't have an elitist nor Wierwille worshipping attitude. He actually acknowledged that there were other groups who do great things for God other than they do. That is a big step IMHO.

Georgio, I'm glad you never 'fessed up to doing that. There are a lot worse things in life than breaking ole doctor's glasses. He surely didn't need them anymore. God laughing....now that's funny. :D-->

Georgio, I am sorry you had to feel bad about something so trivial. I hate the fact that everything about him was put on a pedastal. So dumb. What actually got hurt when the glasses were broke? How much would those glasses have actually brought on an acution on ebay....LOL! They would only be valuable to someone who worships him. Life is too big for crap like that. Besides, I thought they put his last pair of glasses on the bronze statue of him in the auditorium?

M*rcia Gr**ne was ordained also, as was D*bbie Kras*wski, and the infamous Rosa-lie.

Good point here MJ. Surely the guy couldn't have had an arsenal in his business....but you never know that either. He was under the influence, and he saw the police surrounding him on the monitors of the cameras he had around his building. I know people under the influence make terrible decisions and can be more than delusional. Maybe the Police did get jumpy because of the guy who was shot in the shoulder. There always seems to be an unconditional retaliation by the Police if they are fired at. It's all just a terrible part of our society these days. There are no real answers because every situation is different. But I would think that if crazy people are provoked even further by guns or chases, maybe some situations wouldn't have ended up so badly. If the crazy gets away, is it worse than an innocent child or adult getting killed? I think not.

Who knows these days. That's not what happened when little Suzie Pena in LA was being held hostage by her own father. The little 19 month old baby was shot by police fire. Granted the father was firing at Police. It was a terrible and extreme tragedy. Every time I see that baby's picture on the news, my heart aches. Surely there could have been another way to handle the situation. If I understand the story correctly, the police were there because the father was threatening his family. If police had not surrounded his business (where he had cameras showing him the police surrounding him), he may not have reacted so extremely even if he was under the influence. It is a Catch-22. I hate to see that children, or any innocent bystanders, get killed or hurt in police actions. Is it always worth getting the bad guy???

Oh my gosh Catcup! I have been trying to figure this out exactly, and the way you said this hits the nail right smack on the head. Thanks! It's weird because I started to think of this when I was still in. The whole explanation of the Body of Christ according to twi seemed so tainted and off. I just couldn't explain it. I think it was because they said one thing and did another. If you point blank asked a wayfer if the average Joe Christian was part of the Body, they would say of course. But their actions never lined up with their words. This was a very twisted doctrine in twi.