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Liver???? Ewwww!!! Why did it have to be liver?? How come not pastrami? Thank God for DVR on Dish Network! You can pause it any time during a television program and miss nothing. Thank God there are no anal wayfers around to reprove us when we miss a line and rewind it to listen again too. (If God says something to us, we'll hear it.)

They quite printing PFAL shortly before lcm was dethroned. I was on staff when they announced they would stop printing it and made the rest the had in stock available. It was around 1998 or 1999 because it was April 2000 when the lawsuit became public, and the forehead went in to hiding.

There is soooo much BS we were fed. Like: Placements were inspired by God. I knew many at HQ who were so desperate to leave HQ. They were held prisoner by their commitment to an ORGANIZATION. It was really God working in their heart to do what they needed and wanted to do. But them staying served twi better. That's all that mattered. I know some who were chastised for not wanting to serve another year even though they had served for YEARS (wayyyyy over 5 years) . They were not WC. I remember my last placement meeting. I told my cabinet overseer I wanted to leave. His response was "I'll make your request known, but you should be prepared to stay another year if you are needed." I was not even WC!!! I sheepishly said OK. Later on I thought some more on it, and I went back to him and told him I served the time I commited to doing and I wasn't asking to go out on the field. I WAS gonig out on the field. Then they bugged me for weeks as to where I was going to go so that they could announce it at a damn corps meeting. I had a hard time making a decision, but they didnt' seem to want to offer any advice. Turn it around when then want to control you, and you are devil spawn for doing something other than their suggestion. It was all so confusing. Nobody gave a $h*t where I was going....why was it so important?? I talked to someone on staff at HQ the other day. They told me they made their request to go live near their aging Mom. The response they were given "don't we all." There's no heart. Sadly, this person hasn't woken up. They don't realize their life is not their own. They've been on the HQ hamster wheel for 10 years now. This person will be visiting my area soon; I hope I can show them that life is still good.:)

In light of all of the sins of the MOGs, I had a conversation with a trustee cabinet wife who told me she knew several women who had told her that they slept with vpw. She told me this right after we were told about the lcm fiasco. She said "What do we do, leave the Word?" I was befuddled at the time, but today I would say, YES! You leave the lie you are living. The lie is still being held in secret with the top leadership. Leaving the Word isn't leaving God. It's leaving a corrupt organization. I hope more get smart to this truth and fact.

Heheheheh! I used to think it was God's coffee, but then He changed to Peet's.

Why the exclusion for Arizonans? Just curious. I'm a county employee in Arizona who enjoyed my day off loafing and watching "What Not To Wear" all day.

Hubby LOVES that show. It definitely started off with a huge BANG! I tried to catch up by watching all of the seasons, but it took too much time. I did watch last night, and I will probably watch it tonight also. Hubby won't be able to watch tonight because he has a band recording. He's real thankful for the DVR. :)

It is Living Epistles Society. It is Raf's site. Here's a link: http://www.livingepistlessociety.org/ They have a discussion forum there also.

This was huge for me also. The phoney "kinder and gentler" ministry BS was a farce. I was micromanaged more once I got off the field than when I was on Staff at HQ for 5 years. I was not going to be micromanaged anymore. I was not going to fake my way through fellowship anymore. I put on the best twig face. I hated being a phoney. The main thing that kept ringing in my ears was "Practical error ALWAYS leads to doctrinal error." If these men were practicing error all these years, how could their doctrine be trusted?? No amount of skirting around would convince me otherwise. When I went to my last anniversary celebration where they were recognizing people for 20 years of service and up, I thought to myself "I can't get up there and BS everyone about how wonderful the 20 years has been." I was "up" the next year for a 20 year recognition. It terrified me to realilze the lie I was living, and I refused to it any longer. The last 2 months in were the worst of my life. I started posting on GSC and started sorting things out. The final decision was agony for me to make because it was uncomfortable. Once I left, I had a few short weeks of "Oh my God! What did I do?" But I started feeling good about not living a lie anymore. I started seeing that God was OUTSIDE of the walls and confines of The Way International. So yes, GSC helped me tremendously. I wanted to go on Waydale soooo bad, but I was on Staff at the time and feared anyone from HQ seeing me on it at the library. We had no place to go online without being in the public.

7 dogs....7 kids.....almost spiritual perfection there Rascal!! What else can you get 7 of to make it?? LOL!

I love seeing the doggies! Send more pics!! I LOVE labs, but now I love that pug too!! Darn! I need to buy a farm so I can have at least 10 dogs!!!!

Well, I had friends who were in the corps AFTER the kinder and gentler ministry had come in to play...yeah right. That had the same aspirations to change things. Two of them got the boot because they dared to confront things. They had been given a time at Gunnison to ask questions. Questions that everyone else was being given "none of your business" answers to. They got BS answers. For example: Q: Why is Donna still active Corps and not M&A with her husband? A: It's a different administrtion. Q: Is the bus the corps is transported to town in safe? A: Of course it's safe. We wouldn't use it if it wasn't. A: (From a corps trainee who works in transportation) Well actually it needs a lot of work and isn't that safe. That guy had a meeting with the corps coord and the next day got up and ate those words in front of everyone. One other guy wrote a letter to RFR asking why obvious BS was happening and not being changed. He got booted from the Corps. Two of my friends who were in training also, took that as an opportunity to confront things that were obvious BS. They were both booted. The one friend came to live with me and cried for months about her treatment and said "It's a damn cult! It's a damn cult!" Of course I was a good little wayfer at the time, and I dismissed her statements as emotional words. That girl is a fellowship coordinator today. She told me she regrets telling me that stuff because it played a good part when I decided to leave. It was my own personal experiences and GSC that helped me walk out the door for good. I told this girl that even though she regrets it, it doesn't change the fact that it happened and she didn't take back anything she said happened. I asked her if she thought Gr*g Bolch*lk changed...I'm sure it stirred things in her, but she is too waybrained to leave God's ministry. It is sad. They have alwas put on facades, and the will continue to do so. They will always have secrets to hide. I hope it bites them in their big arse.

Martinpuke did that too when he was running his WAP Advanced Class for the staff and corps at HQ. It seems that we didn't get back in to our seats in time BEFORE the break ended to be able to open up the syllabus and pull the page out that we were studying. He stopped the video and yelled prolifically with his trashy mouth and made accusations that we weren't thankful. And all of us in that room who weren't corps should be so privileged to be able to view it with the corps because he didn't have to let us see it with them.......... Get over yourself big man! That class was $h*t!!! Thank God I didn't try to retemorize those damn manifestation descriptions.....geez! that crap we were willing to do for an organization.

I really feel for those kids. They didn't ask to have a lunatic for a father. I hope they do check out other options than TWI.

Oh Dear Belle, I remember that too! I had the same exact thoughts about marking those damn forms at a doctor's office. My heart is with you. Love, WN

Rascal, I understand. It's hard to accept that someone could change when you've spent a lot of years with them as they were. Maybe he had a wake-up call. I really hope this will work out for you guys. The idea of spending your life with someone who you like and love is a huge comfort, especially after your kids grow up and move on.

By the way, this guy writes books about love languages for your kids too. People are individuals. If we venture out to find out who we are and help our kids figure out who they are, there would probably be a lot less emotional issues in life and a lot less mismatching in relationships. Knowing who we are builds confidence in ourselves. It gives us a clear path as to what kind of people compliment us. Relationships are a large part of life on earth. It does only good to figure out how to have good ones. If we build confidence in ourselves first, then we can move on to a relationship and add happiness to it. We won't expect the relationship to be our happiness. *************************************************************** George, I waited for my ex husband for two years AFTER I divorced him. I left him; I divorced him; I had no intentions of ever going back to him. But after the anger left me, I reconsidered since we had history together and a love at one time. Had he straightened up and come back to show me he was, I would have gladly had open arms for him. I only hoped that he would find happiness for himself so that he could bring happiness to the relationship. If it doesn't work, then you don't lose because you learn to find happiness in yourself and your own life. That's attractive to people. Don't close the doors to life. You've got a lot more to experience. True happiness is precious with or without a mate.

May Poppins, Yes Gary Chapman is the author. It is not a long book, but it is packed with ideas and scenarios so you can see your own situations and know how to work them out. ***************************************************** Rascal, If your husband has read the book and you see change, then I highly suggest that you read it too. When a man takes a step to read a book on marriage, that is a HUGE step. Men usually aren't in to reading books like that. They just want to do, but some don't realize WHAT they need to do. ******************************************************* I'm not saying men are clumbsy idiots. Some are just not wired to read people and emotions. It doesn't make them bad people, it just makes them clueless. However there are a lot of clueless women out there too. They don't ever do anything to let the man know what she needs, and then she lives ....ed off about it. I see my mom and dad live this way day by day. It's sad after 44 years together. If the woman is a crock pot, she needs to figure out how to get microwave man to stew a little bit. Sometimes that means she would have to be more of the aggresor in the bedroom. Once he see what stewing gets him, he will learn to like "stew"....LOL! Don't we know good things are worth waiting for!

It's obvious that there are communication gaps between men and women. That's nothing new. I think picking a mate who compliments your personality and vice versa allows for a successful relationship. I also think that knowing what makes that person feel loved continues the success. My husband and I read a book called The Five Love Languages, and the ideas promoted in the book help us to remember what makes each other "feel the love". There are five basic things which can help a person to feel love: 1. Quality time 2. Words of Affirmation 3. Gifts 4. Acts of Service 5. Physical Touch The book helps you to figure out what your own love language is. I can say this continues to help me and my husband to speak each other's love language. There are still times where life can get busy and one or the other can feel "jilted" in the love category. If I feel this way, I ask my husband "What's my love language?" Of course it takes two to keep it going, and it takes a sensitivity to understand why the other's love language is what it is. It gives perfect examples of men who thought they were doing their duty by telling their wives they loved them each day. But the wife's love language was physical touch. Him touching her and all the good stuff that goes with it showed love to her. For another woman, it could be him taking out the trash every day without reminder. For others, it could be her telling him what a great job he does maintaining the cars. It could be her going golfing with him because he loves golf and loves to do it with the woman he loves. I would have never believed there were love languages. After reading this book, it has helped my new marriage to be sweet and loving. After my first marriage, this has been a dream come true. It has been for my husband too.

Mark, You could always call TWI's Bookstore and ask if the book is still out of print. As of 1998 or 1999, it was. That could have changed since they got rid of WAP.

If you know people out there still cherish it and will use it but can't buy it from twi because they are "copouts", well then this serves them well. I'm not out out talk anyone out of pfal. The guy who bought my books was estatic. He's a good guy who left after POP was read. He's got his own thing going, and he put them in a library for all the people in his area to use. I was glad I could help them out.

For the new people, the lurkers, and those who really want to know how the current president of The Way handles things when people question them, look at this link. This hasn't been brought up for awhile. Since there are several new people I thought it would benefit them to see it. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/waydale/laws...-to-rosalie.htm

We liked going to Bennigan's on happy hour when it was "2 for 1" and they gave you two shots in one glass. We used to drink B52s. Just 2 (in the 2 for 1 happy hour). Since that drink is a shot drink, we got a good buzz going.

Congratulations and Best Wishes for many happy years to come! I just saw you both in chat last night, and there was no mention of this? I guess it's like eloping. :P

Quote by George: "Maybe that's why I haven't entirely come to grips with it. It was ENTIRELY unexpected on my part. Yeah, I was a dope for not seeing the obvious signs, but then, I've ALWAYS been a dope, so what else is new?" You admit to always being a dope. Most men are LOL! Women drop hints and say a lot of things. Whether men listen or not is kept track of. Yes, we log responses, nonresponses, and hurts. Right or wrong, it happens. Just like most men are always dopes, right or wrong. There comes a time that men have to stretch a little farther to "connect" and hear what she's saying. ********************************************************* My ex husband felt like I just decided overnight to divorce him. I told him one weekend that I was leaving on Monday and when he got home, I wouldn't be there. It was a surprise to him. He pleaded with me to not do it. I "had" it. We had been through several counseling sessions and he always said "It's all my fault." I didn't always believe that is was always his fault. If he always admitted to fault, why didn't he change? Pure and simple: women want to feel like they are loved. If her husband has other things that appear more important, it hurts her. Hurt her long enough, and she'll most likely move on. If she feels like she is loved, the other things that grate on her will just be a hurdle she jumps over and will be forgotten afterward. I'm sure there are things that men have perspective on. I just thought I would share one from a woman's perspective. I guess that's why we are from Venus. Any Martians care to contribute?