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There should be no secrets in marriage. How many husbands would understand that their wives were coerced with a lie to do it? Then there were some who willingly did it. Each marriage is different. It really doesn't matter what we think. It's up to them to handle their marriage. I'm sure the instructions HP was given to advise women to tell their husbands was part of an attempt for damage control because they knew he banged more than one woman. If they could get it handled at a marital level, then they wouldn't have to deal with it in a legal level. Trust me, it wasn't about teaching people to be honest. The BOT only looks out for their own interets and to make sure the ministry doesn't get blamed.

Submit teachings for approval? Those offshoot leaders should know that doens't make them any less narcisstic and a$$anine than the guy they wanted to split from, LCM. He was just like that. I guess the crazy doctrine from TWI gets the same results no matter who says it... :blink:

Dang, I miss insurgent and WaywardWayfer as well....I wonder if they got the heck out of twi!!! Belle Darlin'! WyoMan has been around, you just have to lurk in the Politics area. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...sult_type=posts

It SHOULD be a new flavor of snowcone Mr. Strange!!! NOT!!! I cannot believe you were a wayfer and never heard of Spike. It is a blend of spices and sea salt (unless you get the no salt kind) you can use on almost anything. It's really good on fish, chicken, meats, everything!! I bought Spicy Spike, and I love it on EVERYTHING! It's just like regular Spike with a kick! ************************************************ Ron, I would order, but one of the guys at work go to me already. I can't wait to taste the popcorn!!!

LOLOL!! I went to a gay Halloween party a few years back. There were a lot of guys dressed in drag. They looked like hot chicks with nice hooters, so I squeezed them to see what they were made of. It was all in jest, but I've never heard so many guys scream worse than any woman would have....

We had men's and women's fellowships. I went to a single women's fellowship. Wanna know what I learned? I learned from a Corps grad Branch coordinator that it's OK for the single women to talk about the single men in their area if they aren't treating women the best. It's OK for women in the household to warn each other. Now that's a way to keep a tight-knit household. BTW, this corps grad was at least 50 years old and had never been married. But she went through the corps program, so that gave her the right to counsel single women on dating. I was on staff with her at HQ. I don't think this woman had many dates, so what qualifies her to counsel on it???? I think it would have been better to talk to the guy himself instead of talking behind his back and make him look bad. If he really wasn't treating women correctly, he should have at least had the opporunity to change by being told directly.

I stopped SITing when I left twi for the most part. I don't feel like I have missed out on one thing. If anything, I feel more at peace with my relationship with Him. SIT was overrated in TWI IMHO :). It was a mindless way to make yourself feel spiriatual. But it wasn't a relationship with Him. A relationship is two-way communication. We were so focused on doctrine and walking erect in TWI that we forgot all about a relationship with Him. It was great coming back in to His arms when I left TWI.

Very well said Trust and Obey!!! We were very mislead in this issue of putting God first. It was talked about constantly, but was it really done???I rekindled my relationship with Him when I left twi. I was really shocked to see how stagnate it had been during my 20 years in twi. I remember before twi, I used to talked to Him all the time. SIT replaced that, and I mindlessly SIT. Where's the relationship in that? Isn't a relationship two-way communication? SIT was overrated in TWI IMHO.:)

Not all bankruptcies are the fault of the person who has to claim it. I know people who had dishonest spouses with gambling or drug problems or who just couldn't be honest with how much money or how many credit cards they were charging up while they were married. They racked up credit card charges getting cash to cover their habits. A divorce happened, the person who racked up the charges was declared responsible for that debt according to the divorce decree. The problem with that is that the credit card companies don't care what the divorce papers say after the person responsible for the debt claims bankruptcy. The law protects the credit card companys o they can go after the divorced spouse because they were married to the person at the time the charges were incurred. That can force a person in to bankruptcy whether they like it or not. I know someone this happened to. He could handle his own financial matters, but he could not handle the $60,000 of debt pushed on him by his ex wife. She declared bankruptcy right after the divorce, so the creditors came after him. He contacted an attorney to see his options. He had to claim bankruptcy as well. I don't know what will happen for people this happens to now since you can't claim bankrupty on credit card debt anymore. Too much credit is freely given in this country. There should be more limits on it. There should be more limits on interest charges.

Are you saing things would have continued to be hunky dory if Geer hadn't read POP at Corps Week? I think his reading POP was God's way of giving MANY a reason to exit the damn place. I wish the hell I would have stayed away when I left in 1990, but waybrain wouldn't let me do that. I went back to the sheethole ministry because the Geerite groups I attended were jokes. A great church would have done me good.......

I LOVE LOVE LOVE beer can chicken. We were concerned about aluminum and paint on the inside of the chicken, so we did some research on the world wide web. We found the poultry pal. It is a cleaner setup with the same (actually better IMHO) idea of beer can chicken. It will fit up to a 14 pound turkey. We bougth two and will do our turkey for Thanksgiving on this.

They always seemd to appear to drink their own koolaid. I used to think they were the epitome of believing until I went on Staff. When Craig declared that we were in "The Prevailing Word", there was excitement of what that actually meant for us and what we would see in our lives. He received many letters from people filled with excitement. One day he came to lunch and was irritated because he knew his announcements were making people think "The Prevailing Word" was portrayed more highly in our minds than it actually was. He always got up to speak his thoughts about many things at lunch. This particular day he expressed his irriation of what people were expecting and sort of regretting what he promoted. Ironically that year, many people had died in the ministry: some by car wrecks and health issues. That seemed to irritate him even more since he declared a higher level of the more abundant life. His promotion of believing seemed to be proved wrong even moreso. People get in situations they have no control over and have to live with the consequences of the things in this life sometimes. You think they would have learned that when vpw got cancer. It is sad that people in TWI today are ostracized when they get cancer. I knew of one person on staff who had gotten it and was drilled on their believing. I remember even feeling protected at Y2K time because I was prepared and living at HQ. I really believed chaos would happen. I think TWI leaders spent too much time believing conspiracy theories. Then they would teach their belief of conspiracy theories and make it "thus sayeth the Lord". It was all a vicious circle. The koolaid was and is contaminated, even the top dogs know that.

Peet's coffee is absolutely coffee directly from God!!! Here's their website: http://www.peets.com. It is out of Berkeley California. I used to be a Starbuck junkie, but I turned to Peet's. I honestly never thought anyone would have coffee better than Starbuck's, but Peet's proved me wrong. I'm glad they did. I enjoy their java every day.

Welcome Trust and Obey! Sex is still rampant at the root locales...did it ever stop??? LOLOL!!! I spent 5 years at HQ, and I know what happened in Founders Hall, seeing who was leaving who's room at odd hours of the night. I saw a few questionable things with lcm wondering why he was doing what he was doing or why a girl was acting like she had a crush on him. Makes you go hmmmmmm..... There are many women who are so desperate to be loved and want to get married but can't pursue it because there are no men in TWI for them. The ones that are there are either undesirable in a major way or they are having too much fun farking so many women at once. I saw men doing that big time at HQ.

Very good points Belle! :) I remember the days at the ROA when people would ask you three questions: 1: What's your name? 2. Where are you from? 3. Which classes have you taken? blech!!! I'm so glad my credentials aren't based on the classes I took. I remember people being introduced with the level of class they had taken. This is so and so, intermediate class grad. WTF was that??? I took my first advanced class at 22. I know for a fact that there were people more spiritually intune than I ever was at that age just because they lived a little more time on earth. Most 22 year olds are still pretty immature. Were people fully instructed? I don't think so. There was way too much information in a minimal amount of time. Don't get me started on those danged Advanced Class Grad weekends where we had to hear the forehead on video again and again. I really wanted to be spending my weekends doing other things. How much could sink in really? Enough to do some damage. If not, maybe God was protecting us from so much wrong.

He once told me the reason why he keeps his red cowboy boots so shiny is so he can put his foot close to the girls' feet and see up their dress. Of course he was joking, but why would a man who is supposed to represent God want to act that way? He's a pervert! That's why!

I went to a divorce care group after I left twi because I wanted marriage again, and I thought my views on marriage were skewed and messed up after my divorce and being in TWI. After going to the group a few times, the guy leading the group asked me from where I came. I told him TWI, but I had disassociated myself from them a few months prior. I told him I was divorced (had been for 7 years at that time), but I needed to get my thinking straight on marriage since I wanted to get married again. After a few more times in the group, he came to me and told me he felt I was there because I was divorcing TWI. Everything I brought up to share in the group was about my experieces in TWI. I felt the hurt and betrayal as if I had been divorced. That ah! ha! moment for me rang so true. I learned how to move on from the anger and betrayal I felt from TWI. It was the best thing I ever did for myself.

I heard a tape from the 70s of vpw reaming "the kids" because they were spending the abs on pizza and not being responsible. I guess vpw thought he could spend it better. <_<

When I fellowshipped in Portland, Oregon, we had an old hall which we used. I don't know if it was free or extremely cheap. That building was in sad shape. It took a major cleaning every time we used it. The name of it was The Grange Hall. We jokingly called it "The Grunge Hall". Now that's an example of living the abundant life...NOT!!!!

I agree SF.

POP is available to read on the internet. You can read it if you can stand it. It is EXTREMELY boring and full of unimportant details.

The closest I lived to the south was in Texas. Yes, they are a VERY proud people. I got a lot of crap from them about being a yankee. I'm not yankee; I was born in Oregon. There was a highschool called Robert E. Lee, and it seemed a lot of Texans have those kind of flags waving. I don't get that. But maybe that's because I haven't lived in the history of southern states. My grandparents came from Oklahoma, but then moved to Oregon in the late 1930s. Is Oklahoma considered south?? I don't get the culture of the south. But I can appreciate it. A lot has happened there historically, and the history has passed on through the generations. I never lived in the south, and probably never will. I'm not a fan of humidity. But I do declare there are some beautiful areas in the south (an all over our beautiful nation). I'm a left-coaster. We like less humidity, and it seems you only get that in the west. Our family has been left-coasters ever since. I leave and go back. There is absolute beauty in the northwest. Everyone who I have ever known to live there usually stays or wishes they could go back for good. I'm headed that way.

I think her name is Beth C*yle.

Craig taught that man's original sin was Eve having a lesbian experience with the Devil who incarnated himself into a woman. He said that's the reason Wierwille's teaching on man's original sin never took off because it wasn't quite the whole story. They are both lunatics IMHO, and none of their doctrines are to be trusted.

Simone, Welcome! I know what you mean about missing the type of fellowship and intimacy you had in twi. Trust me from my faily recent experiences in twi in San Diego. You won't find that anywhere in twi, much less twi in San Diego. I lived in San Diego when I left twi for good. That was in 2002. I found a great church and an awesome small group in Tierra Santa. Finding that church helped me to understand that kind of fellowship and intimacy I had in twi was a farce. Their trashing of other christians was not christian. There are other christians out there who do enjoy great fellowship together. Don't let your euhporia of twi keep you form getting what you want. You will find it if you look for it. As you read through experiences peopel had in twi, you will see it never really was what we were led to believe it was. TWI was a lie. There were many ungodly things going on. Take care, T