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Most Way Corps who thought they were God's elite compared to the lowly believer practiced human slavery. I wonder what BM's peers think of him? If he is going to be another Craig Martindale, the poor people who are still scared to leave TWI are in for yet ANOTHER rollercoaster ride. Maybe this could be the final fall for TWI......I can only hope and pray.

google.com has been an EXCELLENT source to find information. I would NEVER give it up. It's easier to look up something by googling it than to pick up the darn phonebook (small print is hard to read and I refuse to get reading glasses yet). The internet is a great way to stay in touch with folks I don't call regularly, and it's a great way to share pictures with my family in a quick manner. Give it up?? NO WAY!!

Goshdarnitanyhow! I missed it. The link now says it was removed for a copyright claim.

Sorry to hear that. I will definitely pray for resolve. (((((Abbi and Sushi))))

Here's another link with ordering information. Royal Bakery Order Information

We had Mormon missionaries come to our door a few months ago. I was pleasant. I just said, "We prefer more traditional Christianity. We are not interested in becoming Mormon."

I thought the anniversary is 2 weeks away. It is usually the first Sunday of October, unless I've been gone so long that I don't care to remember!!

I'm most definitely sure she's still in. It was an assignment for her to go to this area after her time at HQ.

Here's CRs info

Our chocolate lab, Hershey, had a tumor in the roof of his mouth 2 1/2 years ago. When his symptoms starting getting to the point his life wasn't good anymore, we had to make the decision to put him down. It is a hard decision to make, but I think letting him go to a place of no pain was more loving even though I would miss him. I still miss him today, but I don't regret my decision. My husband made a wonderful tribute to Hershey with a great picture of him rolling his back in the grass. He had the picture blown up, mounted on lovely matting and put both of his collar tags on either side of the picture. It is a wonderful way to remember him and how much he loved to be in the grass. (((((Maxx, WG, and Family)))))

Sounds awesome Bow! I'm so glad you found some place to enjoy. I'm even more excited for your freedom!

Gosh, just the mention of the the test for the Advanced Class. I forgot all about that. That was crazy to take a test to determine if you were able to go to the Advanced Class. I remember it taking a whole day. Then when I got to the class, I wondered how some of those people made it. I guess that was just my own arrogance based on that stupid test. I'm glad I forgot most of that crap now.

Happy 40th Patriot!

Hi Doug, I used to live in Portland. I know your brother and his family very well. Welcome to the cafe! I left twi almost 5 years ago, and life is good. I've been to some wonderful churches since leaving, and I don't let the whole trinity thing get to me. I think TWI's doctrine about JC didn't put him in the place he needed to be. I've learned a lot more about my Lord and Saviour since attending churches. Jesus has much more meaning to me. He is the Head of the Church, right? I don't think he's absent.

Create was one of the bad words too if you were referring to you or somone else being that way. I"m so glad I don't have to be so anal about word usage anymore. Merry Christmas everyone!

After my stint in Northern California in the late 80s early 90s, I went back to TWI because I thought it was the "real" ministry. (Go ahead and laugh.) Through my time in TWI, I ended up in San Diego, and that is where I lived when I decided to finally leave TWI for the final time. I tried a CES fellowship; CFF had no fellowship in SD, so I went to a fellowship (recommended by W*yne Cl*pp since CFF had nothing) put on by these people: http://www.sdbiblicalstudies.com/. Doug Seed was a special invite to that meeting, and it was like being in a fellowship back in the 80s, and I literally wanted to GAG! The worhsip of VPW and the other original trustees was nauseating to me. It happened to be "Uncle Harry Day", and they were recognizing him. I had been on Greasespot by that point, and I knew enough about how Uncle Harry and VPW treated young women was despicable. The reverence and praise for these men's lives was an abomination in my mind. These people all knew I recently left TWI, and they offered no support or shoulder to lean on. It was this GSC cyber community that gave me the support I really needed. They only offered for me to come to fellowship. It was then that I realized I did not want anything TWI-related ever again. I left that meeting disappointed and hurt, but it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Those people seem to hide under a rock when it comes to discussing past wrongs in TWI. They want to believe VPW was truly THE Man of God. They want to believe his ministry was ordained by God. That same group also promotes Geer's classes.

I have a friend who actually went to his efficiency apartment and talked to him. They said he doesn't feel he did anything wrong. So I guess he doesn't realize what he's done, and he won't be asking Gof for forgiveness either. It must suck to be him.

5 years old??? You are kidding right? :blink:

That was weird. If Britney can't handle the heat, she should get out of the music business. She has enough money to retire and take care of her kids they way she should. What is she trying to accomplish? The performance on the MTV VMAs was absolutely terrible. She could have avoided that with a little rehearsal. I personally don't think she's fat, but she could have worn a different outfit so nobody could see her belly. She needs to learn a little more discretion if she doesn't want the public to talk.

I lived in the SF Bay Area from August 1989 to December 2002, and I hung out with the only wayfers I knew of which were no longer connected to TWI. They thought they functioned as they always did, just without HQ. It made me quite ill actually. And I was extremely bothered about the ABS and where it went. I stopped going to fellowships regularly during that time after about 6 months of being there. Most of our friends were involved, so we went to bigger meetings once in awhile. Yes, these people were most definitely Geer supporters.

I can verify this information because I have a friend who ran in to him there not long ago (less than a month).

I think the word "blessed" was used incorrectly as well. I remember me, and my WOW sister and brother worked together at a restaurant. We two girls were waiting for the guy to get off work. We were sitting in the break area, and we said "I bet Mark would be blessed if we saved this cigarette for him." One of our co-workers said "Blessed??? WTF???" "Believing" was thrown around way too loosley in TWI IMHO. Way Believer type of "believing" seemed to put more emphasis on the person doing the work instead of allowing God to work. My Mom and sister prayed for me to leave TWI for over 10 years. During that time, there was no way I would have even considered it. In my mind, I was a lifer in TWI. But I do think that their prayers allowed God to prick my heart and allow me to see what I needed to see in order to make my own decision to leave. Did they believe? I think they prayed and left the work to God. I also think that terminology was used to strongarm people in to doing things. "I was believing you would make it to the Advanced Class this year." What about desire and planning? We were taught in order to see something to come to pass in our lives it was according to the 4 Ds: Decision Desire Details Deliverance I really think this was backwards. It's hard to make a decision when you have no desire. Maybe that was part of the mind control formula? To me, desire indicated God was working in you.

Remembering sin doesn't mean you don't forgive. Forgiveness doesn't mean you excuse the sin either.

It's not a comfortable thing to do. You have to stand up funny, lift your arms, then get your whole breast put between a vice and then they squeeze it. It's not a soft squeeze either. I have to breath myself through it or I would probably have a panic attack. That's the only time I ever feel paniced too.

There were several walnut trees when I lived at HQ. They used to lay them outside for the husk to dry up (or rot off???) and then cleaned them off.