Tom Strange

well... I've personally not had to "raise" kids... my kids were already way past that phase when I came on the scene... but... I never really did see much sense to the spoon thing, I'm not against spankin's, but it just always seemed that most folks were pretty quick with that thing... I felt it was used for more than just getting their attention in order to get them behave... especially on a little kid... I would have rather seen folks use an open hand to swat, not for pain but for attention getting... and I remember some kids, not all mind you and probably not even the majority, that lived in constant "fear of the spoon" that was always present, sticking out of their parents pocket... I just didn't get it... when I was growing up, we had the open handed spank, then the swat with the paddle that came with that toy (you know, the one with the long rubber band and rubber ball)... later in life we graduated to the belt... but my parents didn't carry around the paddle or belt all of the time like I saw some folks do... it was put away in a closet and only occasionally brought out... so... to answer your question... I don't think it was abuse in all cases... but I do think it was in some... a lot of folks got carried away with it... and I certainly do think it was child abuse in the stories related in this thread... yes, I do. I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

and now for something completely different... did any of you ever wish you could spell as well as you think you can? I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

OM: can you say "brainwashed cultie"? sure you can... I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

I think maybe GT has a good point, because this isn't a "states rights" issue... it's gotta be a national thing... (yes, I came to this conclusion after watching Bill Mahr with Sen George Allen)... Allen pointed out the predicament of "what if folks get married in San Francisco (or New Mexico, or Massachusetts) and then the couple move to Colorado (or Nebraska, or Georgia)? Are they still married? It then becomes "the folks in California (where they may be ready for this issue) having their opinions and beliefs forced upon the folks of whatever state the couple moves to, whether that state's folks are ready for it or not. At some point it should be addressed nationally. (and you know how I feel) Yea or Nay, it's gotta be a national thing, not local... but then again, maybe this is the way "national things" get started. I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

hope your day was happenin'! I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

we like it when you're around seestorniKa! I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

I'd go along with myseestorEx's first response. And I'd say to myotherseestorEx10, I did that too! I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

yeah baby!!! I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

that is cool myotherseestorEx10 I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

well meestorsheepor... with Reverend2Ts it's always in the context... with Rocky it's always in the verse... with Simontheloaded it where it's been used before and with ourseestorsExandniKa it's just that they're present and our hearts go a-flutter! I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

no... not that... was it something Simontheloaded or Reverend2Ts said? I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

I forgot what they mean too hegotout! I just thought it sounded cool! I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

........ ..... ... I forgot what I was saying... ... anybody remember? I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

thou art petros I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

yes that's right myseestorEx! and her eyebrows are shaved! I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

OM... once again you are so unbelievable! People come on here and relate their personal experience, things that happened to them, and you deny them AGAIN... ... so... you're implying that what Lindy related didn't happen? (OM replies:o-->h no, I didn't say that! I'm just saying that TWI didn't condone it)... Someday you may get a freaking clue... the sooner the better for all of us... [edited because I said things in the heat of the moment] I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me. [This message was edited by Tom Strange on February 19, 2004 at 12:55.]

Yeah Rock... I know... Cubbies just might make it this year if they can maintain last year's attitude and effectiveness... ... I'm bettin' a round of drinks that Simontheloaded is very happy about this! why, he'll probably get another tatoo even! I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

but for those that have seen it... most say the experience is very moving in a positive way... that the entire audience is either one of two: -sits in stunned silence at the the significance of what Christ endured -openly weeps at the significance of what Christ endured I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

I hardly think that information of this nature coming in to VeePee or the other "trustees" would have been just "screened" and passed on... try again... I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

there once was a human named kit we all like her more than a bit so much that we go out of our way on her very special day to tell her we all think that she's "it" have a happening day kit much love I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

hey! I know those people! They're not so bad... at least they weren't then! and the votive candles... always a big player at Weigh funktshuns... I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

Are A-Rod and Derek going to get married? I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

Here you are sweet LindaZ... ...off to Carolina... I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

JL... I thought you were a father of one and a husband of 4? ...or was it 7? I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.

this is it isn't it? what you've all been talking about... all these months... all these years... aaaaaaagggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! I'm on the outside, looking inside, what do I see? Much confusion, disillusion, all around me.