Groucho

If going to church makes someone a Christian, does going to the garage make them a car?

I don't know what Juan is smokin' but I want some... ;)--> "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

Now George, you know that I very seldom question anything you say...but I just can't explain why whenever there is a full moon...I wake up in the middle of the night and find myself naked, doing the "groucho walk" in the front yard. "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

...and let me add that if the government legalizes gay marriages, then it would be consistant and logical for churches NOT to recognize them unless they so choose...and forget that crap about so-called "hate crimes"...The church or any other individual should have the right to express their moral opinion about homosexuality...this is America dammitt! You can scream all day long that they were born that way...BUT, we are still talking about a behavior...not a color, not a race, not a gender....we are talking about behavior! "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

Hypothetically...if Gay marriages are made legal, does that mean the government will force churches to recognize them? I believe that the seperation of church and state concept comes into play here. The government can provide for a legal civil union but they cannot force a church to perform or recognize such a union. There used to be folks who were legally married but unmarried in the eyes of the catholic church. The sentiment against homosexuality is religious in nature. There is no overt crime being committed other than the act itself...kinda like pot smokers. It's a moral judgement and perhaps the government should approach this issue with a more pluralistic attitude. If the government is a true democracy, representing the will of the people...gay marriages should be allowed by law. "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

Tom...I think your prediction would be a little more accurate if you switched the Redsox with NY. and put the Yanks on top... Best team money can buy.. "Thus sayeth Groucho the Yankee fan" "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

Here's one that really stuck in my craw: I entered the 10th corps after committing to a FOUR year program. This was quite clear going in. apprentice year, 2 years in residence, and one year "on the field"...That's what I signed up for, nothing more. That was the freakin' agreement that THEY drafted in writing! First year in residence, about 6 months into the year, lcm announces at a "closed" meeting that the committment we made was for a LIFETIME! If we didn't understand that, we were not spiritual enough. As I walked out of that meeting, I was mumbling to myself..."bull...., I only signed up for 4 years"...I felt that they had lied to me. I also felt that I was the only one who felt that way. Everybody else seemed to be grinnin'. Taking assigments after corps graduation was optional...that also was in writing. Suddenly I felt very betrayed by twi...I knew for the first time that I wasn't gonna be stickin' around these folks much longer... I guess we all had particular "points" at which we began realizing things were not right. I clearly saw how we were being manipulated...the seeds of discontent grew. "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

Excath...I edited it out myself. Even though I didn't use their names, my description of the events were too "detailed" ...I didn't want to embarrass some really fine people that were victimized by twi. I reconsidered after thinking about it and edited it out. But not to worry, I've got a "million" of em... ;)--> "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

Won't mention any names but did anyone ever notice that only the cute and sexy girls (in residence) were "assigned" to clean lcm's home? "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

Let's hear your favorite twi scam: "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" [This message was edited by Groucho on March 05, 2004 at 17:19.] [This message was edited by Groucho on March 05, 2004 at 17:24.]

I was in twi for 13 years...been out for 17 years. pfal was nothing more than an indoctrinational tool that facilitated recruitment into a cult. The first thing that tipped me off about the class being wrong was the "first assignment" of the class...read the little red book "Christians should be proposterous". It seemed strange to me at the time that wierwille (while teaching about the 7 different administrations) was encouraging his followers to adhere to Jewish law from the old testament..."tithing"...first clue...follow the money. "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

Sharing wierwilles "last teaching" at the GS is like sharing mein kampf at the Jewish community center. I honestly have to question Mikes motives for bringing this diatribe here. Wierwille was a fraud whose massive ego was "enabled" by people just like Mike who hung on every word of this imposter. Mike...don't you feel foolish? "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

excathedra...I'm not aware of IMF being a pfal grad or not and I'm also not aware of anyone giving IMF a hard time because of it. My feeling (and reading other posts, I'm not alone)...is that IMF is "baiting" the other posters here. Some believe that IMF is not a woman at all but PR himself. If this is true, then it implies a certain level of dishonesty with an aim for a self serving agenda that is not plainly stated. "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

Galen...are you for real? "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"

I imagine that some of Charles Manson's followers still speak highly of him too. By the way...PFAL books? I burned em all on "Uncle Harry day". "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"