J0nny Ling0

Belle, I'd prefer Knob Creek Bourbon on the rocks. But, the rocks just might have to be made of frozen oxygenated water. Maybe that stuff would make better ice cubes? And as an aside, just for grins, I will let you in on a little local secret here in Juneau, Alaska. Because we have this huge glacier only about two miles from my house (the Mendenhall Glacier), one of the things we like to do if we can get away with it, is snatch up a big hunk of floating glacier ice from the lake at the foot of the glacier, and crack it into small pieces to serve up in cocktails when we have local get togethers. Glacier ice, because of it's eons of life under tremendous pressure, has a lower oxygen content, and takes a lot longer to melt. Plus, there is just something really cool (pardon the pun) about sucking on ice chunks in ones cocktail and knowing that it is the remnant of the Ice Age that wiped out the Wooly Mammoths and Mastodons...

Has Fellowshipper really moved? I have been away with a virus, and have been caught unawares....And so, he has moved? To where? Australia?

I had a laptop one time, her name was "Brandi"...Ooh! Did I say that? Sorry. :)--> Hey there OodaFog, congratulations! You must be sooo proud! The only thing I ever graduated friom was the Way Corps. I was a hs drop out my sophomore year. My boy, "Keanu" may graduate in two weeks. He is hanging in there to get himself up to date so he can graduate with near flunking grades.. -->

I, Jonny Lingo, echo this sentiment as presented by LindaZ: ChasUfarley, Hold to the good, destroy the chaff, and remember, forgiveness is better than bitterness. VPW is dead. Bitterness towards him will never even be noticed by him, yet it will "eat at you as doth a cankar" if you hold on to it. Not that you are holding on to it, but, the opposite of thankfulness and lack of forgiveness leads to bitterness. I, as well as you, think that the good is better than the bad... JL

Anybody know how to get in touch with him?

Why thank you Safari V! You have a wonderful day down there in sunny Las Vegas! Put a buck in Big Bertha for yourself, it just may be your lucky day! Jonny

Thank you for that last post Oakspear. I had not looked at this thread for a coupla days, and I missed that one. Glad to see that thingshave and are working out. Next time you are at the "open Stage" place, if I could, the drinks would be on me...

So, did you ever try the peanut butter on the little fiends?

Bump...

Sunesis, check your private topics

And umm, Groucho. Thank you so kindly for the consideration that if "VP had given the presidency to Jonny Lingo, we wouldn't be having this discussion", or whatever it is that you said. All I can tell you is this: If VPW had given me the ministry, the first thing I would have done was to wait for him to pass away, and then, I would have dropped that heavy mantle on the shoulders of Donny Fugit! And then we'd a been doin all right! We'd a been "Kickin The Hawgs And Praisin The Lord!" And... "Blue Skies And Green Grass, Make for a Pritt-ee Daayyy....." Damn I miss that man! He was to me what The Way was supposed to be all about. I can still see him now, out there in that pond in the rowboat "serenading the Lord with his git-tar...." God bless him!

Umm that word was supposed to be "scariest", not "sacriest".

Umm...Somehow I doubt it Trefor. I think he really actually hated 'em. Thought of 'em as disgusting. But I too remember that white suit at some public meeting that he showed up at. It really was weird. I also have a friend who, while putting her five year old son to bed, and telling him that it was time to pray, her kid came up with the sacriest saying. He said; "Why do we have to pray to God Mom, Martindale will take care of us!" He also ran around with a rainbow headband and doing "karate" moves.. --> Personally, I think it was more of a "god complex" thing than a gay thing. I don't doubt the syndrome that you speak of, but I would doubt it here.

Mr P-Mosh said; You are right Mosh, I did slip up on the grammar and worded it wrong. Sorry for the mis-lead. And thanks for the compliment towards my wife. And thank you too Oldiesman.. And Sunesis, you and I have talked of this before, the approach for sex by LCM thing, as well as your friendship with Craig. You said something this time that I didn't quite get. You said; And so, I guess I'm a bit slow here, but I guess you're saying that Donna had a gay relationship with whomever? And so knowing Craig, this must have made him absolutely crazy, being the big jock boy that he always was. And, as you say, if he had had a true love before his arranged marriage, then he must have been doubly hurt. And thank you for your thoughtful and honest take on this subject. You do not hold back at all from saying what Craig became, for you said; But you, because of your one time friendship with him also recognize and portray thoughtfully that he was at one time a man with a heart. From my lesser experiences around him, I see him that way as well. For you all who were recipients of his many "twice the child of hell" depradations, I can see why you are still pi$$ed about it all. But to deny something that possibly could have been, i.e., that Craig at one time had been a good guy, isn't necessarily right either. Things happened the way they happened. It may be fun to snipe and spew things about him "because now you can", but then again, if this thread is about "Who Was LCM?", then maybe it might be to your benefit to see him as he was and then became. I, at one time was a good hearted eighteen year old boy when I first went to Twig. I don't think I had a mean bone in me. I was all idealistic and wanted nothing more than to bask in and share the love of God that I found amongst the exuberant and idealistic WOWs that I first met in The Way. Just ask Sunesis, for she was one of them. And a sweet beautiful lassie she was and no doubt still is! But as I entered into the machinery of the hierarchy, my purity began to fade, and I became someone that I did not desire to be. Fortunately I did not fade too far, for my idealism and love for God, and my love for Love kept me from comitting to the selfishness found in the upper echelons. The closer I got to the top, the uglier it appeared, and like Sunesis, and like many of you, I finally checked out. At any rate, I think that Craig at one time loved God, but was decieved into becoming a deciever.

NO Radar, We can discuss it here. It seems like sex enters into alot of our conversations anyway, so why not here as well? Anyway. What would I have done if I had known? Well, let's backtrack a bit. And remember, I will only try and relate what I might have done in light of the actual time and place of my involvement with The Way, and where I was at in my mind at that time. Okay? Sounds fair to me... The incident happened when she was in Montana shortly after she graduated from the 7th Corps. '79 or '80. He (Craig) had come to town to talk to the good people about the Way Corps program, or whatever, and afterward, he asked her to his hotel room to help him file some stuff, or something. He complained of his back, and he asked for a back rub. She rubbed his back. Them, he flipped over on his back and grabbed her breasts. She promptly was shocked as hell and said; "Craig you-are-married! What are you doing?!" And then she proceeded to remind him that "It Is Written is our motto!" And he backed off. Later he sent her a note of apology. He always treated her with respect after that. She just assumed it was weak moment, which men do have at times, justifiable or not. Women have them too. Life went on. In '83, I met her and married her. Life went on. In '85/86, the .... hit the fan. By 80/90, we were kicked out. Later, I learned of the incident. What would I have done had that happened between the time I was married to her and the time I was kicked out? I would have tried to do what I had always done since I became a believer in the lord Jesus Christ and learned that I had holy spirit which was and is my connection with the Almighty God. I would have first asked God what to do. I would then either hear from Him and done what he said to do, or I would have through anger, decided what I wanted to do which no doubt would have been anger, confusion, and frustration motivated. I most definitely would have concluded that "the wife of my youth" had been abused, and that it was definitely an ungodly thing that the man had done such a thing to my wife. BUTTT, it didn't happen that way. So, how can I really say what I would have done? I am sorry to tell you, that even though some might have their own opinion as to what someone should do in that case, I am a firm believer that a situation should be handled when it comes up, and that the counsel of God should be sought then and there, as Jesus did when he had tough times. The woman taken in the very act of adultry, for instance. One time when a region coordinator poured beer down the front of my pants in front of all the believers in my branch, humiliating me to a major degree, I held back from throwing my beer straight into his face. He taunted me to do it, and then taunted me for not having the guts to do it and that I was a pu$$y. Little did he know that I was recounting King David's mind set of "not putting my hand forth against the Lord's annointed". He was very fortunate. I quietly slipped away from that crowd and from the derision still coming from his mouth and went into the sagebrush hills (on the edge of that neighborhood) of western North Dakota, and sat on a big boulder and prayed to God as to what to do. I asked His counsel, and the answer that I received was that according to Ephesians, I "was accepted in the Beloved", and that it didn't even matter if I never finished my interim year, because God had accepted me. I was at peace. I went back and told him that. He apologized to me. And then he did the same thing the next day at the big Limb meeting, in front of everybody. But that's what I did in THAT situation. What would I have done if that thing had happened to my wife while I was married to her? I know that I would ask God. I also know that I would no longer trust LCM as a MOG, and we probably would have ended up "OUTA THERE!" But for me, it didn't happen that way...

God can forgive anyone...Jesus died for ALL...

Hey. This happened to my wife when she was single. I did not even know that she existed. She told me about it AFTER we had been expelled from The Way, ok? Had I known P-Mosh, I most certainly would have had a problem, ok? Do not read into what I have written. I think a number of you here foot umed that I knew of the incident when it happened. I did not!

Thank you Mr Hammeroni, and thank you CM, very much. And.. Maybe this was a worthwhile can of worms to open.. And all we want for them is for them to be happy, sucessful, educated enough to avoid the blight of ignorance, not pregnant too early, or a father too early, hooked up with the wrong guy or gal. No STD's, drugs nor sidetracks off of life's highway that lead to heartbreak or needless hurt. We know so well what does and does not work, for we have all "been there" and know "what it is", and especially, "what it is NOT". And how did we learn? By falling flat on our a$$es a time or two or fifty. And so, I spose we (well, I), think that we (well, I ), can save them time and trouble by having them listen to us (well, me,) so that they can avoid the pitfalls that besieged us along our way. I mean, that's not really unreasonable for us to want to do that... But "Life Is As It Is" I spose, and like the song says; "We gotta roll with it baby!"

My wife knew LCM in Oklahoma when he was but a "common believer". She said he was kind hearted and loving. My wife knew LCM's grandmother, and talked with her on frequent occasions. His grandmother said that Craig was kind as a child and had a real "heart for life". She said he was the kind of kid that didn't kill insects "just for fun". Wouldn't pull the legs off of grasshoppers and such, and challeneged other kids who did. That was a long time ago of course, before he began his rise in the hierarchy. Personally, I think that he went from good guy to bad guy. I think that the biblical instruction that leaders should not be picked before they are mature enough spiritually is the reason for his downfall: "...not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride..." LCM hit on my wife one time when he was the Corps Director and married, but she just told him no and reproved him with It Is Written. He backed off and apologized. He treated her with respect after that, and me as well. But we were gone from The Way after 1990, and were not around for "round 2", when according to all that I have read here from those suffering through TWI II, things escalated way beyond anything we ever saw. Although, having been in on some of LCM's rants, I can clearly imagine how it got... But, he was a child once, and had a heart at one time. Maybe just maybe he is remorseful and maybe as he unloads those trucks with "common men", just maybe he is working hard and trying to make up for his sins. We haven't heard of any "LCM Ministries" like some of the egomaniac ExWay revs are now doing, so maybe that is a sign of some sort of repentance.. I'd like to believe athat anyhow...

Oh my Reikilady. It seems to be the same kinda deal. It seems that they can be so ungrateful and unthinking. But they are but "utes" I spose. For us, it seems as if the worst is over, and he really seems to have been humbled by it. I pray that this attitude can stick around for awhile. It seems as if you did well also. It is hard to bring these things up it seems, because we (well, me anyway) so want to think that we are "raisng them right", and then to tell about it is to admit failure, or something. Ya know, the dental hygienist who does our families teeth is really funny. She is my age, 48, and she was just plain wild as a teenager. She cussed at her parents, smoked in front of them, and told them of her early aged sexcapades just to pi$$ 'em off. A real "bad girl". And one day, while they were on their way to the airport in Tacoma WA (SEATAC) in order to fly to Hawaii for vacation, she got mad at them at a traffic light and jumped out of the car and ran away. At the age of fourteen! She had some cash and got a hotel room, stayed the night there, then met some guys the next day and moved into their apartment. The parents of course went nuts until she finally contacted them a couple of months later when she wanted some money. She refers to those days as her "ungrateful swine" days. And then her daughter years later became an ungrateful swine as well, and as she was telling me this story while in the dentists chair, she casually asked me "how my ungrateful swine Trevor was doing". That was a few weeks back... But at any rate, she turned out, her daughter turned out, and all is well with her and her family. And so, it's just so damned hard when you go through it I spose. And I also spose that at least for me, it's a little bit of "payback", "reapin what I sowed", or as some say; "What goes around comes around...." Ungrateful swine...funny

Hey wait, was Wojo in DC cab?

Funny you all should bring this up. I just went to a small barbecue and bonfire on the beach with my friend who "discovered" that her dad, who had adopted her out as an infant was none other than "Wojohoeski" or "Wojo" from the sitcom Barney Miller. His real name is Max Gale. Our friend wanted us to meet her Dad, and so over we came, me, the wife, and our two little boys. He was very engaging, and seemed really interested in my "regular type family". Loved my kids and spent a good deal of time teasing and talking to my boys, ages nine and twelve. They teased him back. I think he liked it that they treated him as a "regular Joe", although they knew he was a "Hollywood Guy". He was very engaging and he liked me alot. We talked and talked and talked. We exchanged addresses and e-mail addresses, and he wants to stay in touch. He was recently in some movie like Armageddon, but I think it was called "Judgement Day". He also has a new sitcom in the works. We talked at length about how he'd created a daughter through a one night stand, and just flat out marvels at how his daughter and grandson look so much like himself, and how they have been "living a life" totally unbeknownst to him all of these years. I think that he is really really humbled by the whole thing... Nice guy that "Wojo"...

Thank you very much Belle -->

Thanks again all. Ya know, I was pretty sure that grabbing him and holding him until his rage subsided was the right thing. I guess it was the "why has it had to come to this?" part of it that brought me to the "I must have failed somewhere" thinking, not the fact that I had to subdue him like that. I mean, that certainly put the "accent" on what was an already bad situation, but it is the "already bad situation" that was the most heart rending thing about it I guess, and then to top it off like that was, well, pretty harsh I guess. But yeah, you all are so right. I just felt the need to tell you about it. And for those of you with kids who have "been there", and now have a good relationship with your kids, thanks for telling me about it, Shellon and the rest. Light at the end of the tunnel. Outandabout, there is hope! As a matter of fact, my wife spent about an hour and a half talking with Trevor (his real name is Trevor), last night before coming to bed, and she said that it was one of the best "heart to hearts" she's had with him in a long time. She said he was very apologetic, and solicited her advice on a number of things stressing him out these days. The biggest item is whether or not he is going to graduate. He has squandered his grades to the point that he may not graduate. The faculty there has lined him out on exactly what it is he has to accomplish to graduate, and it is very achieveable. But yesterday, in his "Yoga class" (a class he elected for P.E. because he is the only guy in a class of 26 seniors, all gals in leotards -->), he got suspended for the day for picking flowers for one of the girls while they went jogging through a neighborhood. They called it "vandalism". This of course kept him from the one class yesterday that he really has to focus on for the next fourteen days until graduation. He says he picked the flowers from a crack in the side walk, Mr. "Thibodeaux", the yoga teacher says he stole them from some ladies yard. Thibodeaux can't stand Trev, because he knows that Trevor is in his class only because all the girls are there, and he "distracts them from the philisophical aspects of his yoga class". At least that's the he puts it. I wonder if he feels that Trevor is cutting in on his territory? But whatever. I do know that Trevor is a cut up, funny guy, and loves the limelight. Wonder where he got that? --> And so, he had a great talk with his Mom last night, and maybe he is ready to settle down for the final push. Damn, if he actually gets up there with that cap and gown, I will no doubt be so proud. The only thing I ever really graduated from was the Way Corps. I was a high school drop out in the tenth grade. Smokin' too much Mary Jane ya know.. Well, it's 0600, and I have to go and wake up Adonis so I can drive him to school. It's a half hour drive to school, and those are some of our best times to talk. Thanks guys, thanks for the encouragement... JL

I am weeping. Thank you all... P.S. By God, I think I am going to ask him to read this thread. He knows I post here, and is amused by it. Thinks it's "neat". I think that your hearts are full of love, Beautiful, and I want him to see it...