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  1. I enjoyed my time in The Way Corps. I had a lot of fun, and learned a great deal about life and living. And, I had quite a few girlfriends when in residense too! I was in res between the ages of 22 and 25, and I had a great time and had friends that were some of the funniest, most intelligent, witty, and gregarious people that I have ever met. I am thankful for that. I loved my two LEAD expeditions, I loved the public speaking classes, and I learned a great deal about the work ethic which I didn't know much about before I went in. I went in because I wanted to learn about discipline and work and attention to detail. I didn't complain about late nights and early mornings. I was young and knew that what I was being challenged with could in no way be tougher than let's say, the Marine Corps basic training. I welcomed all of the challenges thrown at me, and for me, it was what I wanted and needed. But that was me, and not you, or at least some of you. I liked the late night runs and early morning teachings at top floor Wierwille Library. I finally got to do my "ten minute teaching" in front of the whole student body, and, although it was "scary", it was rewarding. I was in the best physical shape of my life as I ran four times a week, three miles at a shot, and earned sixty plus aerobics points a week. I even ran 8.10 miles in 59:02 which is an average of 7:20 a mile for 8 miles. The best I ever did, and I am still proud of that. Could I have done that elsewhere? Sure! but this is where I ended up doing these things, and I loved and enjoyed doing it with the friends that I made in the Corps. I love what was perhaps one of America's greatest mud fights when the Tenth and Eight Corps were cleaning out the Pond. I and one of my Tenth Corps Brothers (J*y W*lson) tackled our Corps coordinator, R*chard Th*mas, and drove him to the bottom of the muck filled nearly empty pond, where his face was smeared amongst the stunted catfish, baby bass, and stagnant goose crap. Alot of it was grand and glorious to me, and many of those times I still cherish. But I was a happy go lucky boy, and I lived with an attitude of thankfulness and naivette'. Yes, I have learned of much of the insidious workings behind the scenes, but I am still thankful that I had a chance to spend such great quality time with some of the greatest people on this Earth. We went there because we wanted to help this old world, and we thought that this was the way to do it. Not all of us maybe, but a great deal of us to be sure. And many of you know it. This is heavily reflected in the "In Memorium" forum, when one of our dear friends passes on. Joe Guarini, Donnie Fugit, and on and on. There were SO MANY who loved, and I still love you and them for what we tried to do to help this tired old world. Misguided? Maybe. But with a motive to help? There is no question in my heart concerning the majority with whom I spent my time. Selah...
  2. Hey! That guy behind Prince Edward and I.W. I swear to God it's Mickey Dolenz of the Monkees! Check it out, I'm serious! He is right over Island's right shoulder. It looks as if he is trying to get his mug into the snapshot because he still wants to be famous...
  3. Chris Newcomb? When I lived in Portland, Oregon in 77-79, there was Chris Newcomb who hung with us there. Sounds like the same guy. He was very kind, loving and funny. Same guy? I am thinking that this Chris lived "across the river" (the Colombia) over in Washington State, and that he would come over and visit with us. Same guy?
  4. Hey. Thanks All. Really, all I wanted to know was where my thread went. And actually, I know that I am not stupid (thanks Garth), but sometimes I am tempted to think that. The old Accuser ya know.... But I think that it is nice for those of you who offered constructive nformation as to "where my thread went" as opposed to negative input about not looking in the obvious places which were not so obvious to me, the dunderhead.... Over all, I like this place. I have been repremanded from time to time for being obnoxious and even (at times) scathing in my opinions, and that is ok. I know that we are all here to share our experiences while in The Way, and that all of our opinions are not necessarily the same... Anyhoo. thanks for finding my thread for me, and, even though it is a thread of not much merit, thanks for telling me where it went. From now on, whenever a thread of mine "goes away", I will make sure to search around for it until I find it...
  5. Maybe when Christ comes back I will be blessed with a better brain, or somethin...
  6. Laleo: I guess I am just a simple idiot. Ya know, I don't spend that much time figuring out the in's and out's of "forum thread ins and outs". I am a stupid Carpenter who works ten hours (plus) a day, and when I post a thread about a quote from one of our Founding Fathers that I thought was "neat", and find that it disappears(sp?), I simply asked the question: "What happened to my thread?" Now, if you think that; "This is me making a big deal out of it", then I am very sorry that you have had the misfortune of coming into contact with my unbelieveable stupidity for not understanding the ins and outs of "thread houskeeping details". Really, I am sorry that I am not as smart as Garth when you said, and I quote: And so lal-ee ohhh, sorry if I am not as smart as the rest around here. Bless you too, and **** me for being so gawdammed stoopeed...
  7. I was pretty young back when I went into the Corps. I was 22. I loved alot of people as very good friends, and on the field, people liked and loved me. I was never a very good "leader" because I was not very organized at all. Not "LL" material ya know. But we had a lot of fun on the field. I was always pretty "happy go lucky" and could not stand those who wanted to be "lords over God's heritage", and I came into a good number of deep conflicts with those types. I still love people, and still find myself wanting to help people who are having tough times in life. I am not involved with any splinter group, although, my best friends in this town are people from the old Twig I started here in Juneau in 1982. This particular married couple were in fact my Best Man, and my wife's Matron of Honor at our wedding here back in 1983. We still talk about God and Jesus Christ, and once in awhile we'll have an impromptu fellowship with singing, prayer, manifestations, and a teaching from the Bible. And we get teary eyed and blessed when we do so. Just this past Saturday, my Best Man and I went out halibut fishing, and we limited out, endured some rough seas, tossed back a few beers, and really killed some fish! The biggest one was a little one though, at only 27 pounds. He got a sixty pounder the week before. Mmm mmm mmm mmm! Nothing like beer battered halibut or "Halibut Alyeska"!
  8. Oh go ahead Pirate, send her your bank account # so she (she?) can deposit the funds into your account. Then with that money you can help her find that young Christian husband she is looking for. Just don't forget that bank account number...
  9. Okay. So, "housekeeping" it is. That is not such a big deal to me. But, it really would be nice to have some idea of what happened to my thread after it was placed somewhere more appropriate or whatever. And, it really does suck if it is moved to a category that isn't read very much...
  10. Wow. Looks like I touched on a nerve there. But I would like to say that I didn't really appreciate having my thread switched to a different section without even a word about it. I don't recall Pawtucket doing that, but rather some of the other moderators. Personally, I thought it was rude. I think I liked this place better when it was less censored.
  11. I have learned, and so maybe have you. But They won't listen to me and the millions of other Americans who believe that these scum should be put away permanently. That is; On the rockpile for life. No parole. Put to death in the case of rape or murder. But nooo. The morons who think that they know how to "rehabilitate" thses sickos are somehow in control. And so, it is beyond me as to what to do. I guess we must try and vote those with similar thinking to mine and maybe yours into office so we can possibly stop the insanity. Until then, the bodies of the innocents will continue to mount up. But yes. it is so wonderful that the little girl was found alive, and may God bless that waitress!!! What a woman!!!!
  12. I started a thread called: "Our American Heritage". What happened to it? I am 99 % sure I put it in the "Open" category. What gives?
  13. Does anyone know whether or not T*rry Chr*st*an ever got a large sized "job" as a limb guy or anything? I know that he seemed to crave being a mucky muck, with all of the attention and etc. Anybody know anything about he and Br*ntelle?
  14. WOW, I am Flabergasted to read of Harm Olthouse still being there. He was one of the most serious downhome guys that I knew in the Tenth. I loved old Harm and still do. He gave me more Pall Mall non filters than I care to remember. Hey Harm! I love you Bro! remember the times we had at Gunnision? Those times when we went there when Dr needed us to take care of the Camp during our first year in the Tenth? That was some of the sweestimes there... Hey Harm, I love you Brother..
  15. Good points Def. Another thing about rationalization, and I learned this initially from a teaching by Walter Cumm*ns somewhere along the way. When one has convictions, but then fudges just "a little", then they become "comfortable" with that small compromise. And as they become comfortable with the small infraction, they begin to compromise on bigger and bigger issues. Cap this off with a "spiritual stamp of approval", and voila! Anything is now okay in the name of God's Word! I remember an incident that happened to me when I was in The Way. When I first got to going to Twig, I remember that I started to say something "amiss" about a fellow new guy/brother in Christ. In fact, that brother was Harvey. He had wanted to marry the sweetest girl this side of heaven (a WOW gal), and had decided to NOT go WOW himself. The gal is to this day one of the most loving people I have ever met, and her love for him was something all of us guys thought of as his tremendous good fortune. She checked out of The Way a couple a years later and became a nurse in North Carolina, got married and had babies, God bless her... But the idea of his breaking his comittment to go WOW was considered "not good" as we all can remember. Now the issue here is not whether or not is was wrong to not go WOW, but the issue of which I speak is that I spoke to the WOW Twig leader about Harvey's lack of comittment in a disparaging manner. I said something like; "Wow, Harvey's decided not to go WOW now, I thought he was really comitted, but I guess not". And yes, I was feeling a bit smug that I still held MY commitment to go WOW as I said this. Human nature ya know. And bam! That Twig leader just nailed me and said; "Hey Jonny, don't ever ever speak negatively about a brother or sister in Christ! That's just gossiping and back stabbing! We all are God's Children, and even if we are wrong, we should not speak negatively about a brother or sister just to try and build yourself up in your own mind. You are righteous because of Jesus Christ, not because you are going WOW! So just curb your thinking on that stuff". And he showed me verses in the Word to back up his reproof, and that was the end of it. And to me, that was love! And that guy eventually became the LC of our fiftieth state, and he was, and no doubt still is, a man with great love and tenderness. He is "in" no more... And that was the way it was BACK THEN in those earlier days. That was 1975/76. Also when I went in Rez in '79, I had begun to say something about a brother or sister, and the brother with whom I was speaking put his fingers in his ears and started going; "la la la lah! I don't want to hear it! Don't say!" While I was rationalizing and saying; "But I just wanted to...I'm not..." while he kept telling me to drop it, and so, I did. It was kinda like the Dr Evil/Scott Evil "SSHH thing". And I re-learned that old lesson, for, all I had been doing was trash talking someone. But as time went on, I began to see leaders above me practicing the gossip thing, and tell me about some of the negative things going on amongst leaders that were yet over me or were my equals on the peer level. And this made me feel priviledged and on the "Inside" so to speak. I remember many times my Limb leader telling me stuff about people in my state who did "bad stuff" that was "spiritually wrong". And since he was a Reverend, I, having human nature that wants to sin anyway, just went along with it, and enjoyed the salacious details, spiritual stamp of approval and all! Also, it became evident that if my Limb guy not only allowed it as well as enjoyed it, even though I still believed that increasingly suppressed voice that it was wrong, I certainly wasn't going to be reproved for it, for, now it was ok! And the rationalization I was given, of course, was that I was only "told that stuff in order for my good learning about the spiritual battle of being a limb leader". And then came what was a big bomb for me. Once, when LCM came to this great state to teach at a limb meeting and then hang with the Corps, he did smething that flabbergasted me and my wife. Since there were only about fifteen of us in the Corps here, our get together was small, cozy and informal. Craig told us jokes, made us laugh, and told us what was happening in the Corps program etc. And then at one point he totally "dissed" Dr. John S*mmerv*lle. I couldn't believe it! He said something to this effect; "Yeah, that John S is slippery-er than a greazed eel in a barrel o' hog fat! You know what he did? Dr W told him that when he runs this next Bible Lands tour, that he is not to make any money on it at all. And ya know what? That's exactly what he had the whole thing set up to do, make himself pile of money off the deal! But Dr W caught him and told him to knock it off or the whole thing would be canceled. Can you guys believe his spiritual dishonesty? Slippery-er than a greazed eel in a barrel o' hogfat I tell ya!" And I remember saying; "Why are you telling us this? That's not our business! That's Dr W's son in law you're talking about? Whatever happened to not talking negatively about a brother in Christ? The scripture is clear about not backbiting, etc, so what happened to "It Is Written Craig!?" And then he blasted me across the room with his voice and I hit the window, went through it and landed on the concrete twenty feet below, and was taken up dead. At least I seemed to be dead, for, as many said; "he is dead..." Oh no wait, I only thought about saying that... --> Sadly, I went along with it, for, this was LCM, the next mogfot... But the die was cast on that subject it seemed. If the big guys at the very top could do it, then it was okay now. And it seemed to progress incrementally. I guess it finally got to the point that it was not only okay to do it, but that you got spiritual brownie points to for it, and then later, people went on all out witch hunts and "manufactured" sins of people so they could dishonestly "confront them" about being spiritually off the Word. And everone built themselves up with pats on their backs by tearing others down, and "it was all good...." Sorry this post was so long... P.S. I believe the teaching on the five steps to rationalization was the one about Saul, and how he rationalized his actions to Samuel, which is an excellent lesson in my opinion... There! I'm finally finished! :)-->
  16. ALLAN I don't know if you check your e-mail often, but I sent you an e-mail... JL
  17. PS: As far as counseling "others" outside of my immediate family, I counsel very little. I am only concerned at this point, of directing my sweet little offspring in the direction that I think I think is right. The rest of the world? Well, I love you all, but.....you figure it out! God will help you if you ask. Not my problem anymore, as it used to be.... I guess I'm gettin tired of the fight I spose, and if I can only direct my kids, I will be happy when I die...
  18. No problem WB, I am not a trained therapist. I was only speaking from a "common horse sense" point of view. I have been away from TWI for so long, I only use the things that I learned there that make common sense. To me, what I have shared with my daughter only makes sense, horse sense that is.... PS Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt on the "qualified therapist" issue. You are a Gentleman (or Woman) and a Scholar...
  19. That political couple is most likely James Carville, and Mary Matalin. Carville is a rabid Bush hater, and I mean rabid, and Mary Matalin is a staunch conservative Republican. They both speak out passionately against and for the things they don't and do believe in. When I learned that they are married, I was stunned. I still cannot imagine how in the world they can get along as a married couple. I almost wondered if it was a publicity stunt at first. But, I guess it isn't. To me, it seems as if things having to do with life it's ownself, things like political theories which will help and not hinder human Progress and human rights seems to be very sensitive areas, and would cause major friction in a marriage (especially if there are kids involved), if the couple did not see eye to eye on the issues. For instance, if the public school system was very conservative, and the liberal husband didn't like his kids NOT learning multiculturalism, Tolerance, and other world religions besides Christianity, it would cause a serious conflict with that conservative wife, IMO. Personally, I am very thankful that my wife and I are of the same mind when it comes to our belief in God and His Word. I think that it would be terribly difficult to relate to one another if we were not. If my wife were Jewish for instance, and did not believe in Jesus Christ as man's Redeemer, then I think we just would not be married. And mind you Catcup, I am not suggesting to you that YOU should live this way, I am just stating our own personal arrangement which works so well for us. If I were to counsel any couple who were looking to be married, I would probably counsel them to either be of a like mind on such things as politics and religion, and if they could not be, then maybe they should not be married, and if they were to continue into marriage, they had better get that cleared up before they hooked up. For instance, my lovely 20 year old daughter has a flaming love relationship with a California boy (also 20) who is half Portugese and half Costa Rican. He is all American mind you, California accent, colloquilisms, and all, but the thing we have mentioned to our daughter is that it is entirely possible that once they have children, this fine young man (we like him, he's a hard worker), just may want to revert to his family religion of Roman Catholicism, and raise her kids as little RC's. He doesn't practice the religion now, but once kids come along, this could change. My wife and I have seen this amongst people we have known over the years, and if she is not willing to put up with that, she had better think it through first. The young man in question also really loves his Costa Rican mama, who is a very devout Catholic, and there would no doubt be lots of pressure from her to raise her grand kids as RC's. On the other hand, my wife and I who endeavor to be biblical Christians with no fondness for the rituals of the Roman Catholic religion, would not be in favor of having our grand kids raised as such. And so, it will ultimately be my daughters decision if she wants to live that way with him, but she already is not in favor of it (RC-ism) now, and so, we counseled her to make sure that she deals with that BEFORE she ties a knot with the young and handsome David Desuza...
  20. Yeah, I too remember that feeling of possible impending doom for leaving. We were kicked out, but we also knew that if we weren't kicked out, we would have to leave anyway because we knew it all went to the dogs so badly. But as far as how to deal with the fear of some tragedy striking my wife, two young children and I, well, we just decided that things like the "over 900 promises from God" found in His Word would simply have to sustain us. That God would simply keep those promises because we knew that He was bigger than The Way. But, it was scary for sure. But as we got out into the sunlight like a family of unearthed moles holding hands on a fine summer morning, blinking and wondering, we began to see that we would be okay. And of course, it has been very okay. One of the things I remember Dr Wierwille saying, which actually helped us to relax about leaving was this. He said (at one time or another), "that if the whole ministry ever fell apart, you kids would still have the Word, and your twigs would be woven into the grass roots of society, never to be torn out because the Word of God is that great". Now that was a paraphrase of what he said, but, it worked for us, and even though we do not run a fellowship anymore, we have found that God and His Word are still as reliable as ever, and for that we are thankful. But yeah, it was scary at first. And for any of you Innies reading this, all I can say is; "Try it, you'll like it!" For God will always watch over you if you simply trust Him...
  21. Wow, that's cool that you were able to say f u c king like that! I hadn't thought of that method in saying that. I did notice that I can't say f u c ked like we did that one other time though... And so, where's the black and white Excathedra? I will quote myself as having said;
  22. After that first big purge after Craig's ultimatum letter, I called those who stayed the "heros of the counter-revolution". And these rocketed to much higher places, taking "battlefield promotions", and all was glorious amongst them as they took their mighty stands shoulder to shoulder with those other mighty ones... Oh, it must have been grand and glorious for them as they filled their noggins with the newest battlefield information on the latest clergy person to "cop out" while they, a previous "nobody" (perhaps) were actually still standing amongst the stalwart! I can see them in my mind as they nodded sagely to each other as they recognized the "spiritual error" of another one who went down... I likened it to what people become like when there is a natural disaster or something (like a flood for instance), and all of a sudden, everyone is "outside the nine dots", and full of good will towards those in the same situation. But in that case there was also instant hatred towards those "copouts" like me and others who weren't spiritual" enough to "see" what the devil was doing, making the "see-ers", far more elite and sharp and diligent and spiritual and faithful (polysyndeton-many ands), then they ever dreamed they would be, for, they were the new Heroes Of The Counter-Revolution! They now had a mission that far out weighed reaching people with the good news of the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. They were the only ones left to "save The Word!" However, there were also those who grieved for we copouts, and not all were hateful. Some of you may fit into either category... So really, what was left was an empty shell, and all of the wickedness that LCM heaped on those "heroes" in the nineties was what they had comin to them, IMO. Those who followed LCM's lead and were wicked to those who checked out reaped what they had been sowing as Craig lashed them... Yet, as I and my wife learned of "The Way of the nineties", we were heartbroken and sad that so many whom we knew and loved were then hurt by LCM's true nature. BUT, we were also glad to see that his veneer had been shed, for we knew then that many would wise up and leave, as did many. When we moved back to Alaska in the early nineties, the couple who had been our best man and matron of honor at our wedding, were still in The Way, and although they vowed we were still friends (against the local corps dude's wishes), our friendship was strained and certainly not what it had been. But the the most amazing thing happened! The local Corps dude (Bob Somebody) and his wife got revelation from God that our friends were attending a fellowship that I was having in my home, a fellowship designed to steal back my old Twig and into Satans clutches! The problem was, they had never once attended what really amounted to nothing more than a family fellowship with my wife, kids and I. But no matter! God had shown this guy the truth about two of his most faithful and affluent members! Annanias and Saphirra! So, he counseled with the limb guy in Anchorage, who in his spiritual wisdom, decided to put our two friends on "spiritual probation" for awhile. But this was a total blind-sided broadside to my friends who, without even receiving revelation, knew that they had never been to my nearly non-existant fellowship. So my buddy called the limb guy and tried to explain that it was all bogus, but to no avail, for God's revelation was proof enough that my friends and even their children had soiled themselves spiritually by going to the fellowship of a fallen clergyman. My friends were in shock to be sure. I was in shock as the story was relayed to me by them. The beauty of the whole thing was, once I had re-arrived in this town, I never once mentioned any negative thing about LCM or The Way, and how we were treated and given the boot. "Never a negative word about Craig" as they liked to put it nowadays. And so, they gladly took their exit at that point, and the local Corps guy Bob and his wife patted themselves on the back for being able to tell their "colleagues" that they too now had some battlefield stories to tell, about how they too took a mighty stand for God! I guess they were getting envious of all of the other Heroes in the Corps whose daily battlefield exploits outweighed their own... But I got off on it for sure, for I was able to help my friends out by just "showing up" in town, and I didn't even "fire a shot" so to speak. I think my presence made that Corps dude just plain nuts... My wife and I are best buds with that couple these days... Got way off track there, sorry. I heard that that guy and his wife left The Way also, after Craig got caught screwin that guys wife... Why are they still in or in the new Way Corps? They are blind and cannot see as of yet...
  23. J0nny Ling0

    10th Corps

    Sorry Dan, I don' recollect no Paul Knopf. I was Tenth Corps alla the way through, but that name rings no bells in my head...Hope you find him though!
  24. Hay! Congratulations there Rondo! Damn! That is just so nice to hear. No doubt you are wrapped in the arms of marital bliss! And hey, since you and your brother are "Rythm and Blues" (R + B), did Blues show up for the wedding? Well, I'll make sure to let Mrs Lingo know of your "tying of the knot". No doubt she will be thrilled also... p.s. And...how was the.........honeymoon? ;)-->
  25. I have always hated "Haiku". Makes me want to vomit when I hear stupid recitations of it...
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