J0nny Ling0

Well really, I believe that forgiveness is the "pressure relief valve", but that aside, it is also, in my opinion, fairly criminal to continue stirring the pot, and awakening negative situations in peoples' pasts, when they had laid them to rest a long time ago. I know that it happened to me after I came here, and no doubt it has happened to many who came here and "resurrected their past" by reading of the continuous repeating of "destroyed lives", etc, etc. And so, while Rascal shouts it from the roof tops about the "destroyed lives", I prefer to continue to speak of the thing that I believe will heal people of the very negative situations that they experienced while in The Way, namely, Forgiveness and moving on with Life. I believe that this is the High Road, and not The Low. That's fair enough, isn't it? I mean, it is a free country, with freedom of speech still prevailing, right? Rascal is way more than entitled to speak her mind on this subject, and conversely, so am I. And so, I do, just as she, and those of her persuasion do. And don't get me wrong. I do believe it right and proper to expose the wrongs done by TWI. I just believe in a different way to deal with it after the facts have been laid bare. That's okay for me to believe that, right? Okay to talk about it, right?

Like I said, "food for thought! :)

And so, you have said that you you are not affected by this anymore, this stuff that happened so many years ago, and that you are only shouting it out to help others. But your statement here which includes the word "is" (which is highlighted in bold print) does, grammatically speaking, indicate "present tense". Present tense anger, which is to be put away with all malice, according to Ephesians. This is to me, what is so terrible about this constantly stirred pot of anger, vengeance, and anxiety, resulting in continued suffering. This continued "keeping the water pot on the red hot burner" with the pressure release valve of the tea pot whistling and screeching and in a constant state of high pressure, is, I believe, very detrimental. Detrimental not only to the one whistling forth that high pressure (which is, of course, one's prerogative), but also, and unfairly detrimental to those who are subjected to it. And I mean this respectfully. I like to think of forgiveness as a form of a "mental pressure release valve". Oh well, just food for thought. Cheerio!

I gotta say, I completely agree with this also. I couldn't fathom how anyone would stick around during that time. I and a small group of "reactionaries" in the DC Limb were spied on, black balled, and shat upon by thosew ho stayed in. But I must say, it was just so nice to say, "AMF! Adios Mother fu..ers, I mean, Adios My Friends!" But of course, it was a time of mental turmoil and upheaval. And so, what. It took Martindale getting caught and convicted in a law suit for screwin someone else's wife to cause them to finally get "revelation" or whatever and say; "Oh geez, looks like things are off the Word here. Time to go". WTF? What kind of morons were those guys anyway? Real spiritual "sharpies" huh? Sharp my a$$. Dullards more like. So, was it Craig getting caught and "outed" within TWI that convinced them to leave? Or, was it the Conviction and subsequent Public "outing" of his crimes that was "too much for them to bear", that caused them to go packing a few miles down that Ohio highway? And ya know, I have been in contact with some of the CFS-ers, and I never got an apology. It was just like; "Blesha! How ya been? Ya oughta come down for one of our functions!" No, I'd never participate in any of their crapola. It's all just the same 'ol same 'ol no doubt. No, I'm staying up here in Alaska...

Forgive. Forget? NO, for who can forget something like that? But, forgive. Yes, stubborn me. It's good for you, healthy to forgive. Sorry, it's the way I am...

First of all: Congrats to your Papa for having lived such a long life! That is awesome. My Dad was born in in 1919 and died in 1992. Glad you have that part of your life to enjoy. No doubt it was sad when he passed, but also no doubt you all were comforted that he lived so long... And, to that story that he shared with you. Nice to hear that the "local Law" was able to read between the lines and let the chips fall where they should have fallen. Yeah man, it appalls me when I think of how wicked men have been toward women. I mean, here are the Girls, everything we Boys are NOT, and yet the boys have treated them wickedly over the centuries. Women are sweet, soft, beautiful, sexy, and all of the good things that we gnarly boys are not. Just what we need, ya know? I just don't get it that men ahve always been so wicked towards them. My Dad always taught we boys to "never ever hit a woman", and that we should treat them with the utmost of respect. He taught us to stand up when a lady entered the room, hold the doors for them, say "yes maa'm", and etc. And I am thankful that he instilled that respect into us. And ya know, I have turned down beautiful whores back when I was a Merchant seaman, plying my trade overseas, because I felt bad for the plight of the gals who were plying their trade. I didn't turn them all down, for I did have human frailties, but the ones who seemed the most poverty stricken and debased, I just couldn't bring myself to "go there". One time, in Mersin, Turkey, at one particular bordello, I gave my 20 American dollars to a pretty young gal who wanted my business, and told her to just "keep it". I went back to the ship pretty shook up. The crew jeered me as I walked off, but I didn't care. Well, thanks for the input Groucho. and hey, since we have had "bad blood" between us here on the threads, I just want to say that I apologize for anytime I was out of line. I know you and I don't see eye to eye, and on certain things never will, but, no reason for us to be feuding over differences I 'spose. Peace... JL P.S. Find the book and read it. It really is a fine and enlightening read. The ending will stun you.

Well, I did enjoy the talk over there on the "Coyotes at 200 yards" thread, and a suggestion was made to start a "gun lovers" thread. And so, I did in fact wait for someone else to start it, like, let's say Ex70's Houston, but, a whole day did go by and a new thread on it did not appear, and so, here it is. This thread may not be as hot as the "guitar" thread, but, if it peters out, it can still be resurrected anytime some one has a question or comment on firearms. And so, I will open it up. I have a 1921 .30-.30 Winchester lever action rifle (model 94), which my Grand Dad reportedly purchased at some hardware store in Ogden, Utah, for a very small amount of money. It is a "nickel steel" rifle, with a saddle ring on the left side. She still shoots well, and I am honored that my Dad presented it to me before he died. It was cool, because, he came out of the house one day while he and I had been enjoying beers one evening, and presented to me a Springfield 30.06, just like the one he used in WW II in the Aleutian Islands when he fought The Japs for you and me. He said; "Son, I want you to have this rifle, from me, to you. It's just like the one I used in The War". And of course, I was very honored with The Moment. But, I said; "Ya know Dad, Christian (my oldest brother, his oldest son) has always loved that rifle, and has always thought that he would get it. He was more in tune with your post War life than I was, and I think it would be a big deal to him if he got that rifle". And my Dad said; "Hmm, maybe you are right. Just a minute". And he went back inside with the ought six. Then, he came back out with that .30-.30 that I mentioned, and without skipping a beat, said; "Son I would like you to have this .30-.30 Winchester which belonged to my Dad. He used to carry it when he was a teamster, driving mule pulled wagons from Salt Lake City to Portland Oregon back in the 20's and thirties". And of course, I was extremely honored and choked up as I received it from him, and thanked him for it. What a treasure. And, I have used that dang 30-30 over and over as a brush gun in the dense and thick wilds of Southeast Alaska, using the iron sights, and being very accurate with it when it comes to hunting deer. I do not use it, however when I am hunting on islands populated with the immense brown bears, such as Admiralty, Chichagof, and Baranof Islands. Need more oomff there, so I take my .338 Win Mag Ruger. But, I love that old .30-.30, even though the round itself has been described as one of the least effective, yet very popular rounds in America over the years. Anybody have any thoughts on the 30-30 Winchester?

Whoa Ex70s! What a fine and spooky photograph! Like the Ghost and the Darkness, ya know? And where is "there"? Surely not 50 miles from Houston?

The "living memory" thing sounded a bit dramatic, that's all. Sounds much like the many greenies here who, as anti-wolf hunting advocates erroneously say that there are no recorded wolf attacks on humans, or in living memory, that would justify thinning the packs. However, that is not true. There was a kid just a couple of years ago up near Yakutat in a logging camp who was dragged down by a healthy wolf who was later shot and tested negatively for rabies. But anyway, glad to hear that you are not amongst that crowd. If I hadn't brought it up, you wouldn't have responded and corrected me, right? Sorry. Forgive me? :) Here is a video about a couple of wolf attacks this winter up near Anchorage

It sounds a little bit like you are not happy with the idea of considering them dangerous, and that you don't like the idea of people shooting them. Your wording seems to sound a bit "animal rights-ish", but maybe I am wrong on that. But if you'll click the link I provided and scroll to the destroyed face of the little four year old girl, I think that shooting the bold ones is a very good idea, and maybe you would too. I like them too, actually. Love to hear their yipping. But they are wild animals, and when they become fearless of Humans, this earth's most effective predator, then they need to be shown who is "Alpha", and shooting those who have lost their fear of Man will do that. And at the very least, those who have lost their fear of Man, will then be dead, and assuredly will harm no one. And ya know, coyote fur makes for awesome coats and hood ruffs.

Coyotes are like the Ultimate Survivors. The wolf was hunted and trapped out over the years, and only has made a comeback with the help of humans. The coyote, however, just never was wiped out at all. They just kept on keeping on. They now live in most if not all eastern states. I read of a survivalist group called "The Coyote Club" named for this wild canine because of his ability to endure and proliferate. I too love to hear their wild and maniacal yipping at night. Oh, and we have them here too, in Southeast Alaska. They are everywhere it seems. Here is a link on coyote attacks on people. If you scroll down the list there is a photo of a little girl who had been attacked and her little face is perfectly ruined! Yeah, shoot the sumb it ches... http://www.varmintal.com/attac.htm

Geez! I didn't know we had Catamounts in Arkansas! Wow. He/she's a biggun'! Man, those cats, though they be not African lions, are still LIONS and extremely powerful, fast, and deadly. That is One Huge Cat. I wonder how much that sucker weighed?

Oh come on Excie, let him quote a few! :)

Concerning what to use? What Ductape said. My brother used to shoot woodchucks at 2 and 300 yards with a 25-06, which would also be a fine choice. I would never use my Ruger .338 Winchester magnum on a coyote though. It's my bear and moose gun. I usually use a 210 grain Nosler partition bullet when out for the big fellas. I did shoot a fat spruce grouse with it though, when I had tired of looking for moose in this one area. I spied a nice fat grouse moving along the ground, feeding and fattening up for winter on low bush cranberries, and so, just for kicks and to get a better view of him, I put him in the cross hairs of my scope. And then I thought, well, if I could make a head shot as in shooting a turkey, we'd have a fat grouse to go along with the evening's chicken dinner! But if I hit him in the body, there might literally be nothing left of him and it would be a sin (in my book anyway). And so, off hand at about forty yards I shot him. A perfect head shot. Head simply gone, rest of bird in perfect shape. The funny thing was though, I had been hunting within 300 yards of the log cabin we lived in, and my wife and kids hearing the booming shot, thought surely that I had bagged a moose! And when I walked up the the cabin, she and the kids came running out yelling; "Did you hit him?! Did you hit him?! Are we having moose for dinner tonight?" But, my answer was a downcast; "No, only this grouse to go along with the chicken" as I held it up. And when I held it up, they all smiled, kids giggled. Yeah "Papa the big bread winner, Mighty Hunter, shoots a grouse with dang near an elephant gun..." What a Nimrod! Hah!! But the grouse was fine. Usually we shoot 'em with .22s in the spring when they "hoot". They are nick named "hooters" up here because of the sound they make. Oh yeah, coyotees. What Ductape said fer sher...

My daughter works in what has been very traditionally a "man's job". She is a US Merchant Marine, and works in the engine room of one of the ships I used to work on as an engineer. An operating engineer that is. She stands engine room watches (starting up the huge engines, shutting them down, monitoring them while the ship is underway, etc) for six hours straight, and then has six hours off, and does this around the clock for her two weeks "on". That's twelve hours a day, seven days a week, eighty four hours a week, times two weeks. Then she gets to come home for her two weeks off. Her pay is exactly as much as anybody else's, and, she is making bank big time. She earns $3700.00 a month take home pay. The men with whom she works (many of whom are my old ship mates) treat her with dignity and respect. Oh, she's playboy bunny beautiful, and no doubt they appreciate that, but, she is very diligent to do her job, for, it is her commitment that nobody, man or woman is ever going to accuse her of "playing the chick card" to get out of hard work. If the boiler needs to be crawled into to have the boiler tubes cleaned (a job none of us ever liked to do, for you come out all black), she is the first to volunteer. And if she is ever accused of playing "the chick card", she has no doubt in her mind that she has done her absolute best. And consequently, her reputation is already steller. Yet she says; "But Dad, I don't really know that much! I'm not a great mechanic, and so many of those guys know so much more than me! They are such "motor heads"! And I tell her it may be true that you know less, but you are learning more each time you go out, and they all love you because you work hard and are unafraid to get up close and personal with the machinery. "That's how you learn. Your book learning License as an engineer is nothing more than a license to LEARN", I tell her. And so, yes, I am bragging a bit fore shore, but I know that none of this would be possible for her if it hadn't been for some of the great Women who blazed the way for women today. I am just thankful that she has taken full advantage of what is before her, and what this Great Country has made available to her. There is a common bumper sticker here in Alaska that is found on womens' cars and trucks: "Alaska Girls Kick A$$!" That's My Girl! P.S. She just got back from a five week "diving vacation" on Roatan Island off of the coast of Honduras. Roatan is one of the world's greatest scuba diving destinations. She went by herself, and had quite a time! She even went "zip lining" through the jungle tree tops! Okay, I really bragging now.....sorry :)

WOw. Awesome vid clip Waysider. I would suppose that these women were some of the "suffragettes"? I know that the time period was well before WW II in that clip, but a picture of "Rosie The Riveter" seemed like it would have fit in that scheme as well. But I know she came later. Yeah, it is just astounding how men back in those days treated women. Makes ya kind of sick to think about it. Have any of you ever heard of the "Sing Song Girls?" During the 1898 Alaska gold rush when people flocked to Skagway (just up the sea's Inside Passage from me by ninety miles), there seemed to be a lack of whores for the men. There were in fact some very hearty and tough gals who plied their trade in a whore house known as the Red Onion Saloon. These were mostly European women, and the Madames did do their best to make sure that the women were treated fairly decently and also earned a fair wage. I have been to this whore house, but only to dine on pizza, beer, and take the tour of the "upper rooms" which is where the action used to take place. A friend of mine is the Madame there during tourist season. She goes by the handle of "Madame Spitfire", and looks really cool in her "period costume", and so do the rest of the girls! But I digress... And so, because there wasn't enough whores for the men, some business guy, seeing a demand for this trade, brought up some fifty or more Chinese women in a number of wagons with bars on them (via ship), to Skagway. These women lived in outdoor cages in the spring summer and fall, and were required to "sing out" to attract the men. When a "man" selected one, he took her inside a hotel type building to be abused and the woman was put back in her cage after the deed was done. They were sad, lonely, cold and in pain and agony, poorly fed, and their "singing out" was a mournful sound, as has been recorded historically. "Sing song! Sing song. Sing song...." :( And so, the sing song girls, as they wore out and died, were simply replaced by newer versions until they too wore out, got sick and died. And all along, these women had been ripped from their families after arriving in this far away land, and then treated worse than dogs to die a sad and lonely death in a cold and strange place, never receiving any recompense for their forced services. It just made me sick when I read a historical account of it when I was staying at a bed and breakfast in Skagway a few years ago when doing a late winter construction project. Hard to believe that men could act that way or stand by and watch other men treat fellow humans that way. It seems that mankind's capacity for evil is downright extraordinary. And yet, no doubt many of the men who purchased these Sing Song Girls had wives and children somewhere else in the world, waiting for them to come back home with the Gold...

I understand that this thing against women is not just a thing of the past. That's why I said "Western women". And, those things women have to wear in countries under Islamic "Sharia Law"? They are called "burkhas". To me, it makes them all look like "Cousin It" from the Adams Family... And cool! I did not know that about Queen Victoria. Good for her by George...

Oh! "The Total Woman". I remember that book. It doesn't seem as if the title of the book at the beginning of this thread is even mentioned. So, I assumed that the title of the thread, "Fascinating Womanhood" was also the title of the book in question. But, I don't remember reading it anyway. I remember some book called "Extended For Pleasure", er, "Intended For Pleasure" that was suggested reading for marrieds, as well as some book called "Love Life". It seemed to me, that my wife and I finally chucked those damned books because neither of us could live up the perfection, as well as the "formulas" for successful married life that was pitched in those books. Oh, there was another by "Tim LaHaye" that was supposed to be a great marriage book. My wife and I just jokingly refer to them as "Christian Sex Manuals". We don't put much stock in them, for, we have figured out about sex on our own. Not that hard to do, really. Haha!

I am not sure if the title of this thread is the correct title, but, I figured it would catch many an eye, for, who would think they would see a thread by "Jonny Lingo" with such a title as "Womens' Issues"? And so. I found an awesome book that I think is a must read for women, but particularly for men. The novel is entitled: "The Crimson Petal And The White" by Michel Faber It is a story about a woman in the 1870s in "jolly" old England, (London) who, forced into prostitution as a little girl, educates herself and begins to climb up and out of the sordid world she lives in that is run by chauvenistic men. It is a fascinating tale full of sex, moral collapse, and redemption. There is also a woman, the wife of a "Society Gentleman" who is of course not the Crimson Petal, but rather, The White. It is an excellent, yet sad commentary on "what western women came out of", and how thankful they can be for where they are today, relatively speaking. I think everybody should read it. My daughter, 23, is extremely well read (she loves books and wants to own a book store one day) and refers to it as her favorite book at her My Space place. Yes, my daughter who even loves Shakespeare-oh where did I go wrong?- really loves this book. The old English expressions are very fun to read as well, and the writing is, in my opinion, most excellent. I found it at a used book store, and after reading the flap, decided to buy it. It's a thick book, but it didn't take long to "hook me", and after I finished it, I was very enlightened on the subject of the sufferings of women over the centuries. And so, I gave the book to my daughter Tialani, who at first was like; "Dad! I can't believe you want me to read this book!", for it is a bit graphic. But, she was soon hooked as well, and found the overall content excellent. I believe that this book really helped her to continue in her independence as a Woman. My wife read it after her and also found it very powerful. The title itself is absolutely brilliant! And so. Anybody else ever read it? JL

Nevah hoid of it! But maybe that was suggested reading in TWI II? My wife and I were gone by 89-90.

Yes, now that you mention it, that was fantastic teaching, although I only heard it on tape.

Umm, I don't think I divulged any posters names. I just mentioned a couple of people from the past who had made me laugh. Do they post here?

Sorry Excath, really. I was just adding to Dooj's effort at humorous relief in this here very intense thread. But really, Ralph did make a lot of us laugh, no? He was like "the un-religious guy", the one we could relate to. Except, when it came to all of that intense research, I was not in his league. But that was just me...

Hopefully there will be no cassette tapes in Heaven to listen to? Or classes for that matter. I was a bad student when it came to sitting and listening all of that time. I was a serious "faller asleeper" in those classes. Unless, when it was live, someone was being funny, for there really was some fun humour by certain people. Ralph used to crack me up, as did some guy named Heron (Frank?) while at Emporia. But, I didn't have the "research mind" that many did. Ralph did go into some heavy research, or so it seemed. I remember one long and detailed teaching about "tapeinophrosune" that went on forever it seemed. Ralph talked about how exciting it was to go on a "two hour romp in the Word", and I was like, "two hours? On my own without it being a class in the Corps? I don't think so...." And so, since this is a thread on forgiveness, I suppose I can forgive Ralph for that...Hah! :)

Hi DWBH! Finally figgered out who you are.