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Hey Cliff! Welcome! And WW. I didn't think you didn't believe me. But because it really is pretty incredible, I would expect anyone to say; "She really said that?!" or however you put it. But yeah, that's how it went down. Plus, she is the one who brought it up first, and that's why me and my Sistah dropped our jaws over the whole deal. We were pretty amazed about what she told us. We were like; "Wow! Dr. Wierwille told us about this, and here it is! Neat!" Also, was she a little whacky? Well, in my opinion, anyone who would help start a new church over whether or not Adam had a navel has to be a little whacky. But, she did put her sentences together well enough I spose. We never gave it a thought that she may have been making it up or whatever. The fact that she had joined the other church of "Navel Believers", was, to be sure, very whacky. Okay, yeah, she was whacky. But since she brought it up and called it by the same name in the class, I guess we believed it. I guess I still do.

I love Stevie Ray Vaughn's Guit-tar playin. Sad he croaked. But hey, there is a kid here in Juneau named Sammy Somebody who plays guitar in his band Daddio. And he has done his homework on SRV. I swear, the kid is only 25 or 26 but he can play like lightning, and can really do SRV's songs awesome justice. real heart. Daddio came up to Haines, AK a couple of years ago to play at the Southeast Alaska State Fair, and he came and jammed with we Chilkats at the notorious Harbor Bar, and for me to play with him and my keyboard friend Luckey Walker was so dang nice! Plus, he asked us after we did a few numbers if we wanted to play "I'm Goin Down" by Jeff Beck. And I said; "well yeah, I'm game to give it a go". Of course it was nothing for him and Luckey, but I'd never attempted to play harmonica along with that song by Jeff Beck. In fact, I hadn't even heard it for years. But, it ended up being an awesome jam that went on for a really long time with everyone taking leads at times, and I got to sing some too which was way cool. The owner of the bar dug it so much he rang the bell, which means drinks are on the house. Fun for me because I don't get the opportunity to play with good people all that often. What was also cool, was that there was a Canadian band that came down from the Yukon, and their drummer was this tough chick from Austin Texas. She was just filling in I guess. She wore a ball cap and was a kick a s s drummer. At any rate, turns out she used to hang out with Stevie Ray Vaughn back in the days before fame and after, and when we played "Pride And Joy" with Sammy on guitar, this tough gal just melted and got all choked up, and came and talked to us after that. Told us that Sam had really done his homework as she put it. Turns out she played bass really well, and so she went to her hotel and got it and we had us a fine jam that night. The tips were great too, and after we split it up, I walked off with forty five bucks! I thought to myself; "Hey, I'm a professional!" Funny, that thought. We played til dawn and after. Well, the sun was back up at 0300 anyway, being Alaska and all. But we didn't stop till about 0530, and then we all went to breakfast. Very cool time, for me anyway. And this same kid is down here in Juneau with his band, but I don't get out so much anymore. Too much driving to go to the clubs downtown. Yeah, a whole fifteen miles one way...

Cool Coolchef. And I just saw my pritvate message deal about the Mary Janes! Thanks bro! Can't wait! :)

Damn, Sunesis. Cool story about Jonny Winter. Too cool. Glad you had that opportunity. Glad he got to hear you play! The guy was truly fortunate.... :) I met Edgar Winter at a concert in Oklahoma City at the Cajun's Wharf. I was to be turning 34 years old, and I'd read that Edgar Winter would be in town on the 8th of May. So, I told my wife that we should go see him for my birthday, but she said she didn't want to because she didn't like the smell of smoke in the bars. So, I took myself, and got a front row seat in a packed full house. But still, it was only a crowd of about 200 people. But man, it was way cool! They played Live like they sounded on their albums as I remembered it, which, is unlike the Rolling Stones who play crappy Live (IMO). And when he would play, and they would do the songs, he would orchestrate like a conductor to his band members. Very cool to see. And interestingly, there was this other albino dude in the audience near me who was one of their roadies. We'd smile at eachother through out the concert when there was a lick or an awesome vocal thing from EW or the guitarist or keyboarder. And when it was all over, but before they packed up, they went to party in and out of their motorcoach, and since my truck was parked really close, I smiled and waved and said thanks, and the other albino dude waved me over, and I got to talk with them and meet Edgar as well. I told them all how we used to get stoned back in highschool daze and listen to the album "They Only Come Out At Night" which got a bunch of laughs. And somewhere in that get together, the other albino dude told me he was the "other brother" but that he didn't play music like his brothers. But, now that the internet has come along, I tried to look that "fact" up, but couldn't find anyhting to support it. At both JW and EW's websites with all of the photo galleries, there were no pictures of him or a mention of him in any of the bios. Maybe he was an angel sent so I could meet the band?

That Life Is Hard song is now playing as I write. So very nice! Socks, you said; "I just think he's visiting sometimes". Hah! No kiddin. that lead I'm listening to now in Life Is Hard is pure smoke and sweetness. And Socks, that photo on the front of the Progressive Blues Experiment album doesn't quite show the similarity of my son's Johnson guitar, like the picture on the back side of the album in that that pic shows the front of the guitar. But it does look the same. But I seriously doubt that the guitar Johnny Winter used on that album is a "Johnson". I may be wrong, but I have the feeling that Johnson copied whatever guitar Johnny Winter used/uses. I wonder how to find out about that guitar that he is reflecting his face off of on that album cover... Hay now. I just got inspired by my own quote. Wouldn't the term "Smoke And Sweetness" be a great name for a blues album?

We leave the lid up because of the dawg. Yes, we are bad people who let the dog drink from the toilet. He has a water bowl, and we fill it, but once drinks from it and there is some water left, he won't drink from it again, because it is not "fresh", and prefers the toilet. And be doggoned (sorry bout that) if I am going to re-fill his water bowl once he "soils it slightly" by taking a drink and it's still three quarters full. And so, with that weak justification aout of the way, Jake has a beard, and when he drinks from the toilet, he slops water all over the toilet seat afterwards, and nobody wants to sit on the wet toilet seat. And I'll also say this. At night, when I have to get up to pee, I sit so I don't wake up my wife by peeing so loudly. And I simply make sure the lid is down, and I have never accidentally sat on the cold rim of the the toilet as I have heard women have done. But when I worked on one particular ship whose Chief Engineer is a gal, I always left the lid down for her in the head out in the machine shop.

Word Wolf. I swear to you on my mothers eyes, it happened just as I told you. And oh how we hoped to get that old gal to take the class. But she was having none of it. Does this prove that there really was this particular church? Well, I guess to me it does. I cannot refute what I saw and heard. But maybe the lady was an ectoplamatic devil spurt sent to help perpetuate the myth? Dunno. Know what I know though, and so does my Corps Sistah. And by the way, I think that the Prototype, Adam, had a navel. :)

Hey Thanks DMiller for posting that photo of my son's guitar! If you ever get the chance to buy a copy of Jonny Winter's "Progressive Blues Experiment" CD (a recent re-release, out of circulation since like '73 but available now), there is a picture of that same guitar on the album cover. Great blues tunes of course. And yes, the Seldom Scene were so fine to listen to. I went to a lot of the festivals in Virginia and West Virginia during those high school years, and just loved it. I sat in with my harmonicas out in the camping areas, and did drink some moonshine too! Loved those summer nights at those festivals. I saw the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band during the Will The Circle Be Unbroken tour, and met Jimmy Fadden (harps) Earl Scruggs, Vasser Clements, and a bunch of the rest. Oh Yeah Roy Acuff was another whom I met. Great times and I fell in love with stringed instruments. Had a banjo for a while too. But now, Sunesis, I have that red Strat, and am having fun with it to be sure. It'd be nice to get to be playing it fairly well, but I do have a long way to go...

I was driving with a friend back in Way days. He was the LC of Alaska. And while driving along, his four year old son says; "Dad? Are all other drivers a s s holes?". Needless to say I burst out laughing as my friend turned red.... And that story about; "Hey where did that baby come from?" cracked me up! Playing with his trucks.....

Ex10 You asked "how to do it?" Well, as an example, there is a guy in this town from whom we rented back in 1993/94. He was out of town for six months with his wife, and so we rented from him even though he was actually renting it from the owner. I believe this is called "sub-letting". At any rate, we had just arrived back in Alaska, and with housing really tight here, we were happy to find that place. And so, we payed the $1500.00 for the first month, a $600.00 dollar cleaning deposit, and moved in. We paid our rent on time the whole six months, and cleaned the house from top to bottom before we moved out, and he and his wife moved back in. And I mean to say we cleaned that place very well. I even got out my "Real Clean Windows" window cleaning gear and cleaned the huge tall glass windows that looked out upon the lovely Auke Lake. We knew that they would no doubt be very happy with how we had kept the place, and returned it to him so nice and cared for. As nomadic Ex-Wayfers, we had a large string of very good references on file, and this was to us, another very nicely kept home which we had rented, and returned to the folks who we rented from. And so, when the guy inspected the place, he told us that it wasn't clean enough, and that we would not be getting our $6 hundy back. And, I was furious! He may as well have stuck a revolver in my face and said "give me that six hundred or I'll blow your head off". We even talked to the owner from whom this guy was renting, but he said that it was not his problem. We didn't seem to find a way to get our money back, and so, we "walked on'. But did I forgive him then? No friggin way. Over the years, if I were driving by his house late at night I'd stop and blast my aoogah horn until his bedroom light came on. I spoke disparagingly of him and with a vengeance, if the subject of "living on back loop road" came up in conversation. I used to drive by his tree nursery over next to the Safeway and curse his business. I wanted to "fork him" (plant hundreds of plastic forks in the lawn in front of his business-a way of saying; "Fork you!") something my son and friends did to a high school principal one time. I was just sooo *%^#*ed that this guy had stolen from me and my family. It was a violation, and he was so wrong about the way we left that house. But of course, he just wanted the deposit money, and said anything he wanted to. It was weird, this guy was like "the one guy I would not forgive". My own personal "one guy I wasn't letting off the hook" or whatever. But, my wife began to tire of hearing me rant over "Dave that s.o.b. who ripped us off", and I finally decided that I should do as Jesus has asked us to do, for, how could I forgive those in TWI who wronged us, but not this guy? And so, what action did I take? Well, I asked God to forgive me for holding such a long grudge, and I asked Him to reverse any curses I put on him and his business, and asked God to help to open his eyes so that maybe one day he would see how dishonest he was (and is-his reputation as a business man is one of dishonesty over money-no surprise there) so that he could then change. And in my heart I forgave him and have moved on. I just figured that he was the one who has to live with himself. He'll reap what he sowed. And now, when I drive by his business and the knee jerk reaction to thinking badly of him comes up, I just say out loud, "God I have forgiven that guy. You help him if you can". And I smile, and I drive on. And it has been really fun. Kind of like a very recent project as a matter of fact. "An exercise in forgiveness" if you will. I just started reading a book called "Turning Curses To Blessings" by Carl Fox, a one time Way guy. The forward in the book was written by one Paul Norcross whom we both know. And the book has a lot to do with the words that come out of our mouths. And so, I am practicing to try and "bless" others with the words from my mouth as opposed to cursing them. It's a great book EX 10. In fact, if you look up Carl Fox on the net, you can read the first few chapters and the fwd by Paul Norcross> In fact, maybe I can post the website here: http://www.cfim.net/Curses+Blessings.htm Anyway, sorry for the de-rail, but it does kind of fit with the way in which I have applied my forgiveness to that guy who had stolen from us....

If we have to wait for someone to repent so that we can enjoy the blessings of peace that comes with forgiving someone who has wronged us, then with the matter of VPW, we will, for the rest of our lives never enjoy that peace that comes with forgiving him, because he is DEAD. Let it go...

Yes DMiller. I used to hang with The Seldom Secene at the old Red Fox Inn which burned down at some point in time. And the song "Muddy Water" was about my dear old Potomac River. Beautiful vocals and Dobro on that one. I loved those guys for having taught me to love the sweet sounds of "wooden music" and four part harmonies. We were kids, and they marveled that we teenagers came to their shows every Thursday night at the Red Fox Inn. And so, if any one can find a photo of a "Johnson Lily Of The Valley" resonator guitar, and post it here, you will see here the beautiful present that I bought my son for his graduation from high school. I have tried to post it here, but my lack of computer confidence has not allowed me to do this. DMiller, can you help me out? Her flat out loves that guitar! If you can find a pic, please post it...

Well said Oldies. Jesus forgave those who crucified him, and if he can do that, then I can at least forgive LCM, VPW, DEW, HRA (Howard "R" Allen?"), and all the rest. I want to be bigger than them. I want to "not be overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good" (Romans 12: last verse). Forgive 'em and walk on. "Walking in the newness of Life". Leave the past behind. Go to new heights with our Heavanny Father, and dump the negs of the past. Take the good that you learned, and jettison that which wasn't good. Very simple. Very basic. I really only say this to you all because I LOVE YOU! I am not just trying to win an argument. I simply know that "forgiving those who have trespassed against you" is the way to peace and joy, and an exit from the bitterness! Let it go! Shoot, all those who tresspassed against us have to face The Almighty One, and believe me, I am thankful that I won't have to "own up to as much" as those whom we know who have hurt us so. Or, will I? Or will you? Will you have to face The Almighty for your wrongs? In my opinion, I think I would rather follow Jesus's line of thinking, and "forgive those who have trespassed against us", for I know that I certainly am not perfect......................................................................... .........

Beautiful DMiller! Ya know, that one looks like a mandolin a guy used to play locally in Bethesda, Maryland at the Red Fox Inn. There was this local band called the Seldom Scene and their mandolin guy, a guy named John Duffy, played a mandolin like that. When I was in high school, four friends of mine and I would go in there with our fake IDs and watch and listen to 'em play. The Seldom Scene were really good, and that guy John Duffy not only played mandolin really well, but he had a beautiful high tenor voice. And their vocal harmonies just made ones heart sing! And then there was Mike Aldridge, the Dobro player. Awesome player. Have you ever heard of those guys? And, I had a mandolin once. It was a cheap one, but I learned a few chords on it, and could pick it fairly well. Wish I had one today as a matter of fact. Bluegrass is pretty big here in Juneau... And yeah, just what is a dreadnaught? I know that some acoustic guitars are not considered a dreadnaught, while others are. For some reason, I have it in my mind that a "dreadnaught" means that it is extra large or something. But what does it really mean?

Well said Mr. O'Malley, and you as well Doojable...

Okay. Jesus's tormetors hurt him. And he forgave them ! If LCM hurt you, or them, then all involved parties should forgive him. And, by the way, LCM did hurt my heart tremendously. He used to be a friend of both me and my wife. And he betrayed us both. But I forgive him, regardless of the fact that he may still be a seething maniac and never asked me to forgive him. Shoot, this is basic "Christianity 101". We are to "forgive those who tresspass against us". Tailor made for Ex Ways like us. All of us. Geez, now who said those words? JESUS. Bow to him, you'll like it...

When Jesus was on the cross, after having been whipped, beaten, mocked, slandered, falsely accused, spat upon, jeered, with nails through his hands and feet (big spikes through his hands and feet! ( Think of it! Your hands, your feet!) ), a crown of nasty thorns pounded into his head, with no other human standing with him, and then he said; "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do". They didn't ask Jesus for his forgiveness, but Jesus Christ our Lord implored the Heavenly Father to forgive those who had violated a fellow human (himself) more than anyone had been violated before or since, and he was innocent! Are you innocent? Are any of us innocent? No. Yet Jesus uttered those words to our God, our Heavenly Father. Many of us here have experienced grievous injuries and physical pain. And we know that it is hell. And yet, when you were in pain due to an injury, an operation (surgery), were you not surrounded by people who loved you and tried to comfort you? But maybe you were wounded in battle or taken prisoner by the Viet Cong and tortured and not surrounded by loved ones during that time. But the Word of God says that what Jesus went through was worse. That Jesus was "marred more than any man", and that he was not even recognizeable as a man. And, he was mocked and spit upon until his moment of death. And the Word Of God even says that Jesus "despised the shame". No, he didn't like it. He was/is human. He despised it. And yet he forgave his tormenters. And so, regardless of what anyone here may say, and no matter how offended you may be by what I am saying, and no matter how hurt you were, what you and I went through was nothing compared to what our Lord went through. I think that if I follow our Lord Jesus Christ and his example, I know that I will not err if I do as he did and does And, if you are not a believer in the Bible as the Word of God, then this will mean nothing to you, and that's fine. Your life. But if you are a believer in the Bible as God's Word, then I hope you will consider these words, for I believe it will make you a happier person. Selah. JL

Now now now. I did not say that I endorsed such activity. I am just saying that this is one reason why I believe some people cheat, as per the thread question. And as far as the gal who gets her "oral sex fix" from this other guy, well I did not say that was all that happened between them. Obviously if two people are willing to go that far, they will no doubt go all the way, which of course, they do. And as far as the prostitute thing goes, I was only saying that if a guy is going to step outside of his marriage for a bj, he'd probably make it simpler and less complicated by going to a prostitute. But, my particular belief is that it is wrong to do either, that is: To cheat with some "regular person", or cheat by going to a prostitute is the same and is still wrong. I was just thinking that a prostitute would be simpler and less of a chance of a mess. But either one also carries the health risk to your spouse. So once again, I didn't say that this is right, but I believe that it is one major reason as to why people cheat, as per the question of this thread asks...

Well, I guess I meant with a different person. But also, let's say a wife has a strong aversion to giving oral sex, then maybe that guy misses it or whatever, or, if he had never had it, would like to go out and "get one" for the first time or whatever. Geez, I would think that a prostitute would be in order in that situation. I know a gal whose husband refused to have oral sex with her, and so, to cure that problem, she went and found a lover who would do such things with her. It was her fix for that problem I guess. And so far, she is still married to that guy. But it is still a deception and a secret that could easily wipe out her marriage. I think that with men it is way more of a straight on sex thing. but I do believe that with women it is probably more complicated than just sex. Probably alot more about being appreciated and understood and all of that, like someone else mentioned before.

I think men cheat because they get horny and want sex. Different sex. And I know some women who have cheated, and it was because they were horny and wanted sex. Different sex.

But then again, you'd probably adapt. I just wondered, because my son Keanu has a classical that he plays alot, and when I pick it up and play, I am amazed at how wide the neck is. But one thing nice about that though, is that the strings are farther apart, and it's easier to plant your finger down on a string without touching one of the others and muffling that other string.

And so, Chatty Kathy you said; And so, why would you pick a fat, thick necked, classical guitar? The thick neck of a classical might be too much for some one with short fingers, ya know what I mean? It seems to me that it would be harder to wrap your fingers around a wide necked guitar, than one with a more slender neck. Maybe a steel string guitar with a more slender neck would be better? Just wonderin.

When I was in Fargo, North Dakota on my interim year, my Tenth Corps sistah and I met an old woman who told us that she was from Ohio and that she had been a member of the Ist Church Of The Navelites. My sistah and I were amazed, and told her that we had heard of that church in a Bible class. The woman was very adamant about the fact that Adam had to have had a naval. She talked of the major dissension and how people had been so hurt over it but that God made Adam and Eve just the way we are made today. After we left her, we marveled at it because both of us had actually wondered whether or not VPW used that as a teaching tool kind of an anecdote that didn't necessarily have to be true simply to make a point. But there it sat, just like a duck. So, there is that info, for whatever it is worth...

Mary Pat is in Charlottesville, Virginia last I heard not very long ago. She fellowships at Earl Burtons place. Look up Earl in Charlottesville. He is a prominent realtor now, and his name just might come up in a "Google" of "Charlottesville Real Estate Earl Burton". Go here: http://burtonrealty.com/ Then you can e-mail him and ask him about Mary Pat

Now, seeing that eagle is way cool! What part of the country?