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I don't think anybody here will disagree that this was a terrible injustice to the Indians. You will, however, find that there are probably people here who disagree with how the Indians have been dealt with since we White Men have concluded that a terrible injustice had been done to the ancestors of todays American Indian. I see lots of discrimination toward White People here in Alaska coming from the indians. For instance, one of my "favorite" adds that I see in the newspapers here in Alaska. One add that I see alot reads like this: Tlingit-Haida Corporation now hiring carpenters for housing project $28.00 an hour for journeymen, $16.00 an hour for apprentices Call ***_**** Tlingit-Haida Corporation, an Equal Opportunity Employer Exercising Native Preference Hiring Rights Now, that one just cracks me up! Talk about a contradiction of terms! An "equal opportunity employer" now practicing "Native Preference Hiring Rights?" What in the world is "equal" about that? What a crock of crapola! I have Indian buddies who think it's a crock of sheet also. Once, a friend named Jimmy, a nearly full blooded Tlingit, call me from a Native village called Hoonah. He wanted me to come there and help him hang sheetrock for T and H (Tlingit-Haida) on a housing project. I told him that I wasn't allowed to work on that job because I am not an Indian. He told me not to worry, because that's a bunch of bullsheet. And, he said, none of us Indians here know how to hang sheetrock like you do, so come on down. "We need you White Man!" He said they were all staying in a bunk house and they had lots of whiskey and the food would be free and that the weekly per diem was $250.00. I told him that I was busy with a different job, and that I would have to pass. Sounded like an uncool scene down there in good old Hoonah. Sometimes it's not smart to hang around a village as a lone White Man with all of that drinking going on. The money would have been nice, but I had work right at home anyway, so, I didn't go. And so, I disagree with the Native Preference thing, especially when the money funding the Native Housing projects comes straight from the Federal Gubmint, which means straight from my tax dollars. You mean; "I get to pay for it", but I don't even get to apply for the job and work to get some of my tax money back? Eet ees a crock of sheet mi amigos... Ya know Amigos, I am editing this to add a thought. This thread really isn't about how White Man treated the Indians in the past. And it is also not about how today's treatment of the Native Americans (I really don't have a problem with calling them Native Americans) is bad or good. But rather, it seems, this thread is about the interesting study that Rhino presented concerning just what People may have been the First Immigrants to come to North America. We could de-rail and discuss the politics of Native American Affairs, and no doubt many points of view would be discussed. But, it really is fascinating when looking at some of the archeological findings that shed light on Who was Here way back when. And really, I don't care if we find that Native Americans as we know them today were the first, or whether there were some more caucasian/European types here first. I just think that the facts are very interesting to look at. Like Excathedra said; "Wow".

What, that the Google background is black? And, I think I'll make sure to turn my lights ON during that "earth hour" deal. I am perhaps the biggest "lights off Nazi" you will ever meet. When my kids leave their lights on upstairs, even if I am upstairs when I find the light left on in a bedroom, I call them up to turn off their own light, even though it would have been easier for me to do it. "If you leave a room, turn the light off. Make it a habit" I tell them. BUT, I do not believe that the global warming is "man made", and I certainly do not believe that the floods and hurricanes are caused by "global warming" which is also another way of saying that it is all "George Bush's fault" for not signing on to the Kyoto Protocol". It's the fear mongering in the first part of that vid clip that I reject MStar, the part showing all of the destruction "caused" by global warming. I really had to laugh at the glacier "calving". I mean, glaciers have been calving for centuries. It's what they started doing when the Ice Age was over. In actuality, I think it's a peachy idea for everyone to turn their lights off at once for an hour. I like it alot! Saving on electricity is a fine idea. But I do not like it when Fear Mongers try to motivate me to do it with their fear tactics. And so, thanks MStar for the heads-up. I will make sure to turn my lights on at that time, and then of course do my usual "be frugal with my electricity" by way of turning off my lights and using those little mini screw in florescent light bulbs, etc...

I'm down with that too Imagine...

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I think it's kinda neat seeing the words stamped on the side of the coin like that. It seems to make the coin appear more "precision", to me anyways. Ya know, George Washington allegedly threw a silver dollar across the Potomac River one time. But that can't be done these days, because, well, a dollar just doesn't go as far as it used to...

Why thank you sir! Haven't played much lately though. Nobody around to play with lately. I guess because it all has to happen at night, after work, I haven't pursued it much. Lots to do with the kids, basketball, snowboarding on the weekends (giving them rides to the resort), hone do's, and the general hubub of family life. Alla that ya know...

Could it be you mean the "kalimba"? I used to haver one, and it was really cool. My Ma was always buying me instruments that didn't take much more than an "ear" to figure out: Jew's harps, harmonicas, a concertina (one of my favorites), and, a kalimba! Neat instrument... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5...ebleKalimba.jpg Hmm...tried to post the picture. Anybody else?

Well, the guy I know, Paul Gebhardt, pulled into Nome with an eighth place finish. Not bad, really, all things considered. He'll get a nice chunk of change for his efforts. Also, a gal by the name of Aliy Zirckle, someone I spent an evening with at a bar in Two Rivers, AK came into Nome in 21st place. She is the friend of one of my buddies' wife, and we all had drinks while Aliy tended bar and told us mushing stories. She had just recently won the Yukon Quest, another (and some say tougher) mushing race from Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, to Fairbanks, AK. When I first met her and shook her hand, I noticed her serious "iron grip". And so, it's over for the winners, but many are still out on the trail as we speak...

Well, it's over. Lance Mackey, throat cancer survivor wins it big time! Here is the article: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/more...ex.html?cnn=yes NOME, Alaska (AP) -- Lance Mackey couldn't shake four-time champion Jeff King and his faster team. So Mackey pulled off a stunt at the Elim checkpoint -- 123 miles from the Nome finish line -- that proved to be the turning point en route to winning his second consecutive Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race on Wednesday. Mackey arrived at the Elim check point Tuesday three minutes ahead of his rival, drank coffee and made a show of settling in for a nap. He told checkpoint volunteers to wake him in an hour and -- with King snoring -- sneaked out of the checkpoint 70 minutes ahead his opponent. "I just beat the best musher in the world," the 37-year-old throat cancer survivor said after he crossed the finish line under Nome's burled arch. Fans mobbed Mackey along the final 10 blocks, whooping and cheering and slapping his hand while chanting his name. "He baited me to sleep, was waiting until I closed my eyes," said King, who won in 2006. "I didn't open them until after he got out the door." In its 36th running, the Iditarod commemorates a run by sled dogs in 1925 to deliver lifesaving diphtheria serum to Nome. The modern-day Iditarod trail crosses frozen rivers, dense woods and two mountain ranges, then goes along the dangerous sea ice up the Bering Sea shore. Mackey's win was a repeat of his 2007 feat, when he became the first musher to win back-to-back runs in the 1,000-mile Yukon Quest International Sled Dog Race and the Iditarod. Last month, he won his fourth straight Yukon Quest and headed into the Iditarod, aiming for another double win. "I'm not much to brag very often, but damn, I'm going to this time," said Mackey, from Fairbanks, whose father and brother won past Iditarods. "I don't know exactly how to explain it. I'm just blessed with an incredible dog team." Mackey used many of the same dogs that competed in those races in the trek across some of Alaska's harshest terrain. At the Nome finish line, his family greeted him and he took congratulatory phone calls from his father, Dick Mackey, and Gov. Sarah Palin. Palin told Mackey: "You're a hero, and truly an inspiration to all of us." For much of the race Mackey tussled for the lead with King, who closely tailed him from checkpoint to checkpoint. Mackey also struggled with dogs stricken with diarrhea and slowed by unseasonably warm weather that marked much of the trail. But Mackey's team was in better health in White Mountain, where mushers are required to take an eight-hour break before heading up the icy Bering Sea coast for the 77-mile homestretch to Nome. "They're the best dogs, hands-down," Mackey said. Mackey's dogs also quarreled on the trail. He had to drop Hobo -- a leader Mackey called the speed and driving force of the team -- who was badly injured in an ongoing rivalry with Larry, another leader considered the brains of the pack. Some of his dogs were coughing and one was in heat. King, a 51-year-old musher from Denali Park, ran most of the trail with a full team of 16 dogs that looked remarkably fresh and alert as the race progressed. King finally dropped two dogs Tuesday at the checkpoint in White Mountain. When he crossed the finish line at 79 minutes after Mackey, the winner was there to shake his hand. "It was tough competition, but an easy race," King said at the burled arch. Running a competitive race for third place were Ramey Smyth of Willow, Ken Anderson of Fairbanks, Martin Buser of Big Lake and Hans Gatt, a three-time Yukon Quest winner from Whitehorse, Yukon. Twelve mushers scratched since the start of the Iditarod and one withdrew. The last was 43-year-old Steve Madsen of Cougar, Wash., who scratched Tuesday in Galena, citing concern for the health of his 11-dog team. Counting Mackey and King, 82 mushers were in the running. Three dogs died in this year's race. A 7-year-old male, who showed signs of pneumonia, died Saturday. A 3-year-old female was struck by a snowmobile, and a 4-year-old male died Tuesday. A necropsy will attempt to determine the cause of death of the two dogs, Iditarod officials said. This year, organizers introduced a new tracking system that let fans follow online the real-time progress of 18 top mushers. Officials hope to expand the system to all participants in future races. Mackey and King each carried one of the devices. Mushers compete for a piece of an $875,000 purse, to be paid out among the top 30 finishers to reach Nome. Mackey won $69,000 and a new truck.

http://www.iditarod.com/ Ahh, the Last Great Race On Earth is nearing it's completion once again! Lance Mackey and Jeff King battle valiantly towards Nome for the brand new Dodge truck, and rights to winning the Last Great Race On Earth. I myself have been to Nome building houses for the Eskimoes, and have enjoyed the wildly different culture there. I have stood beneath the Burled Arch where the winner of the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race passes under when one wins The Race. Nome is a very cool place, and is like no other, for, "There's no place like Nome, There's no place like Nome..." So, just click your Bunny Boots together and come on over for a visit via the Internet! Anyway, check out the website, and remember, you can check in here by the hour to see just WHO wins wins the Big One, Lance Mackey or Jeff King. My personal favorite is Paul Gebhardt, a guy I worked with down on the Kenai Peninsula for three months, is currently in Seventh Place. This Race will probably be over by tomorrow, so, Check It Out!!!

Why thank you DWBH! I appreciate that reply! And as far as me calling you "Joey", well, I guess I had mistaken you for someone else. I was thinking you were "Jim Jeltema" which reminds me of the name "Joey". You know, there is a "J" in there... And so, thank you for that. It seems that, should your recitation be accurate (and I have no reason to suspect otherwise), the collusion went back a ways... P.S. Just who was "Jim and Jan Jeltema"? It's a funny thing. There are people in the tiny town of Haines, Alaska, where we lived for eight years, and their names are "Jim and Jan Jurgelite". But my wife, Shannon (always the funny one), has always referred to them as "Jim and Jan Jeltema", because that is the name of some couple that VP used to refer to all of the time. Man oh live! No matter how far we moved from the Lower 48, those memories from our Way Daze still follow! Haha! I guess we are just resigned to it, that period of time. But ya know, as you also said there were some fine times during that time. Weird, huh? Anyhoo, peace to you too DWBH... Jonny Lingo

Hey, I thank you for that post, Joey. And, I have to say that I agree with it also. I guess one thing that bugs me, and there are those here who disagree with me on it as well, is that I have believed that VP started out (way back when) actually wanting to help people with God's Word, but then went bad when the power and money showed up. You know; "Power Corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". That he didn't start the whole thing to be a "money and sex farm", but rather, quickly turned his heart that way when all of the power of money and young kids began to flow in. What do you say to that?

That movie was called "The Best Of Times". Good perspective there Rhino, it may well be on target...

Once again, I whole heartedly agree with this perspective. I have been invited by some quasi-prominent Ex-Way folks who are now part of CFF (who also stayed in during the time DWBH has mentioned here), to be a part of CFF. And during their kind hearted invitations, I never once heard an apology from them. And so, be involved with them? No thanks, they are still dishonest, IMO. For these are the same people who shunned me, my wife and family and treated like less than dirt for not taking The Pledge to Craig. Also, there are many many people here at GSC who stayed through those years, unlike myself who saw the handwriting on the wall, who have never once apologized to me and my wife either. But that's okay, cuz we be fine. And so, is it possible to have the same doctrine in mind that we learned, and with an honest heart before God, share it with others and not be the same destructive force that TWI became? I think so. But not, if the one doing it had been a part of the maliciousness and has not recognized their part in it, nor apologized for it because they still deny their part in it. They gotta come clean first man. I am still wondering if a certain limb leader will ever apologize to me for the evil he did to me and my wife while up in Alaska. But no doubt he doesn't even think about it, nor t have an inkling of an idea that he so devilishly hurt my wife and I at that time. But could they/he make a reversal, come clean before God and the people they hurt and then share similar TWI doctrine and help people with it? I think so. For instance, Joey (hah hah!), if you were one to teach people that they could believe and trust God to meet their every need, and that with God's gift of Holy Spirit you could "be more than a conqueror", could "do all things through Christ which strengtheneth you", that your rights as one of God's children included righteousness and, justification through the blood of the Lamb, then I believe that because of your honest heart and true love for God and other people, the doctrines that you learned from TWI and subsequently taught to others, would be blessed by God and would be a blessing to the recipients. If the doctrine that you taught included many things taught in PFAL (by the way, I have discarded many of the doctrines that I learned in The Way, but have clung to others that I learned as well), I believe that it could be done and not have the same devastating effect that TWI had on so many people, because YOUR GOAL would be to truly Give, as opposed to Take. I mean shoot, tons of us while "on the field" had fantastic results in helping people because we had not been "tapped in" to Mama International and the wicked shenannigans and mind set that went on there. Many folks on the field with pure hearts did many things in the name of our Lord Jesus, because we actually believed that we were in fact honest Christian people. As for me though, I have stayed away from "splinters". Like I mentioned before, we tried a few for a few years after The Way, but finally I just went and "got a job", and quit "being involved". I still communicate with some, and exchanged biblical view points and testimonials, but I am not involved with any folks much. Do I forgive the ones who wronged me and others? Yes, and for me it has been very helpful. Okay Joey, I'm going to post this, typos be damned. Peace out... :)

Hey Rhino, Happy Birthday Brother! JL

Well, I can play the harmonica rather well...

Well, his last name could be "lithic".

Well, glad I don't have to be a peter beater any longer. Glad my Bride and I are still hitched! I guess it was all part of being "hooked into the Inside Information as far as "What's Goin On" in the "{Real World )" was concerned, "It" being part of our indoctrination program, etc... And now Peter Beater is dead. Hopefully Boys, that is not the same with you! Haha! ("Make it Live Man, Make it LIVE!")

I tried this topic over at the Politics thread, but, it didn't seem to stir up much recollection over there, and I do know that some folks here, rarely go over there. So. Does anybody remember an "advanced class" tape recording of some guy named Dr. Peter Beter (what a name! I'd changed it were I him!) who "exposed" the truth behind the Jonestown massacre, by explaining that those people were really killed by some kind of US operatives in retaliation for the Russians blowing up our American space station on the Moon? If I remember correctly, the Soviets supposedly had some Operation near the Jonestown/Jim Jones compound that needed to be taken out covertly, and so, what better cover than to go in do the deed on the Soviets, and then wipe out the Jim Jones'ers and make it look like a mass suicide? Or something like that. I know it sounds bizzare, but this is not an LSD flashback. I remember being at Gunnison in 1980 and listening to a tape by Peter Beter with info somewhere along these lines. No doubt I have my details skewed, but does anybody else remember that?

Ya know, I just can't presume to know just what was in the heart of a man. If at one time in his life, he actually confessed Jesus as Lord and believed in his heart that God raised him from the dead, and truly believed it in his heart, then I would have to say, according to God's Word, that he was truly born again of that incorruptible seed which is what it is, incorruptible. But, who really knows other than God if he did that or not? I certainly don't. I think I'll just let God be the Judge of "who gets in and who doesn't. " I will say this, I hope he was born again, for, I would not wish eternal damnation on anyone other than Satan and his fallen angels.

In Alaska, it's; "No permit needed. Just drag 'em across your threshold..." I just hope I never have to go there. I really don't want to kill another Human. Would do it I think, if I have to. Anyway, I have come close with some (2) Big Bruins though. Whew! Scared 'em off with warning shots. As the green card for PFAL says: "Makes Life meaningful"! And, I didn't even s h it me pants. b guess I just don't understand that thing where one is so taken by fear that they do such a thing. I guess I am just "luckey". Anywhoo, always glad to be accompanied by some firepower fer sher!

I remember now that someone guessed her as Suzie Parker, but not me. I don't know who Suzie Parker is. I will google her. But yes, she does look rather nice... And yes, I do believe that your questions to Word Wolf and rascal are very reasonable, so I am looking fwd to hearing their answers...

Oldies, I do think that those are reasonable questions. I look fwd to hearing the answers. But I have a question to axe you: Why is your avatar a woman, who is she? You were a black dude for awhile, and now a woman. Wazzup?

I was speaking of the two threads combined in that they are closely related. I should think that you are bright enough to understand that. I actually mentioned both threads, if you'll recall. Within the scope of the last two weeks, both threads have in fact been discussed, no? Yes. And in the opening post, there is mention of The Way and VP. Here, it's the last paragraph in the first post of this thread. Read it for yourself: And so, I was commenting on that aspect of this thread. No foul there. But don't worry Dooj, I just deleted the majority of that last post since it seemed offensive to you. Now, back to the thread. Have at it.

No problem Wing. I forgive you Bro/Sis.