J0nny Ling0

My wife had surgery today. They took a lump out from below her shoulder blade. It went well and they are encouraged that it is not malignant. Keep us in your prayers...

Ya know, I think that this thread is very "titillating". I think that we EX Ways have been away from the scandal for so long, that it is "refreshing" to see others go through what we went through. And, we can sit back and say: "Hey, don't buy that, it's a scam!" And we can know that we are right for, we know.... We have been there, and they have not, But maybe we, "the hurt ones" (us gscafe-ers) can save them from the evil offshoot. We are the ones who know the inner workings of the evil cultists, and therefore are the only ones to be able to save them from the "newer" Cult called CES. Shoot dudes, dudettes. Folks involved with CES are there because they want to be there. Just like we wanted to be with TWI when we were there. We left when we could see the boloney ("that's a bunch a boloney!"), and those in CES who see the boloney (bologna) will do the same. I don't think we need to get our panties in a bunch over JAL and his cohorts and what they are up to at the moment. Waddya say we all go out for a few beers, some shots, and sing some karioke? Sounds better than trying to get CES all figured out...

I'm prayin for you all. I have not had the heart to keep up with this thread. It is too reminiscent of bad times gone by. I do have a very close friend in Texas who has skirted CES recently, and so I will take time to warn him. Thanks for posting some of that awful prophecy stuff. I have copied it so I can let my friend know what is going on behind stiffy closed doors. Take care ad God bless ... Jonny Lingo

Well now Tom Strange, I do believe you are right! And it seems as if some new faces have shown up here in relation to this thread. Hope they are enjoying themselves. And, whew! What a hot thread this has become!

Yeah, that path that led us outofdafog...

I am sure that we are not much if even a blip on their radar screen. This place is known amongst those faithful to either TWI or serious offshoots as a place for disgruntled and bitter ExWays who congregate in order to stroke each others' hurt feelings...

From the very beginning back in 85 when our daughter was born, we simply decided that weren't going to tell them anything that was not true. And so, we told our daughter and then each son as they came along that Santa was not real, and that all the fat guys in red costumes were fakers. And we had the most fun pointing out to them the fakers as they showed themselves at the various malls, and etc. And, the kids delighted in themselves to know the inside story on Santa. Same with the tooth fairy. Instead, we told them that there was a "Tooth Daddy"', because "we don't have no fairies running around our house at night". And so, I told the kids that if they put a tooth under their pillows at night, the Tooth Daddy would come and leave them some money in exchange for the teeth. And, at night, I'd write them a letter, put it in an envelope along with some cash, and the letter would say something like; "I love you Meagan, and I am so proud of you! Thanks for the tooth! Signed, The Tooth Daddy!" And it has been our tradition ever since. And the kids now (thanks to their Mom), have these letters stored for them when they are older as keepsakes. And, one time around Easter when our daughter was five, she asked the little neighbor girl (also five) if she knew who Jesus Christ was, and the little girl replied brightly; "Sure! He's the Easter bunny, right?" Our daughter just laughed and told her that no, he's the son of God. I too remember feeling betrayed when I was thirteen or so when I discovered it all was not true when it came to Santa et al. And so, we did what we did, and the kids certainly do not feel cheated about it, nor are they scarred for life by being deprived. They do love the True Life story of how Jesus Christ will come back one day and take us all on a "Hallelujiah Ride" though... :)

I remember the Sons Of Sunesis T-shirts! I remember asking someone just "who" Sunesis (I pronounced it sunnasiss) uintil corrected and told to look it up.... You really named your twig a$$holes ExCath?

Amen Hondo.

Thank you Jeff and Chrispy. And, I will check out the site.

I just learned over on the CES IS IN A MESS thread that a sixthffff Corps guy (Alfakat) spoke of how in the Corps, they had named their Twig after a fictitious devil spirit named: SWATRATTRA!! And I and my wife cracked up over that. And then I remembered how we named our twigs in the Tenth Corps, and it was fun. Our twig was named "The Secret Things". I remember that we had a guy who was shy and quiet, and when it came time to name our twig, various people had suggestions, and sheepishly yet with a smile, our Quiet Brother said; "How bout; "The Secret Things"? And of course we all asked what he meant, and Gerard said with a smile and quoted; "The secret things belong to the Lord our God...." And we all smiled and said ; "Yeah, nice! Sounds good!" And later, when Corps Coordinator Richard Thomas anounced that the twig named The Secret Things was to meet in the Sonlight Room, he went on to ask about just what in the heck was behind naming a twig "The Secret Things"? I answered by quoting the verse and then saying; "Well, we belong to God, and, The Secret Things belong to the Lord our God!" And everyone laughed, and Richard just shook his head in the way that he usually did when he thought we were whacky.... Another twig called themselves "The Coccoon Chuckers", indicating that they were no longer worms, but had chucked their coccoons to become butterflies, as in being transformed (metamorpho) by the renewing of their minds. And, I really liked that one. It was my favorite for sure. I think that was Dick Michaud and George Cumella's bunch. And so, did any of you all in the Corps besides The Secret Things, The Coccoon Chuckers and "Swattrattra" have Twig names?

Cool Waters. It seems to me that you have concluded that CES has ignored Jesus. I don't know where you got your information, But I had a long conversation with JAL when he was still running the organization, and he spoke of Jesus all of the time. And he made a point of telling me that The Way Ministry essentially ignored the life of Jesus Christ, and that we should not. He then went on a long description about how if Jesus is seated at the right hand of God, ever making intercession for us, then maybe we should take some time to talk to him, and thank him for what he'd done. All those years in The Way, and we ignored Jesus...." And so, it seems to me that JAL had something (if not alot) to do with Jesus in his days back when he talked to me. And didn't JAL start CES? It's my thinking that he did... And so Jeff and Richncrispy, what do you know of CES and our Lord Jesus Christ? Do/did they teach about our Lord?

Swattrattra! Sounds like Jenga! Or maybe like she was the Priestess Of Gozer! And Belle, sorry, it was only a suggestion. Didn't mean it to be offensive.

Why a PM Tom? Belle didn't PM him on her opinion. She said it openly, and so I gave my opinion openly. Relax dude. And take chill pill towards DMiller too. Or, maybe according to you, you should PM him? I dunno. I think this discussion is going along just fine without the need for moderation. Everyone's cool. And, it is a very interesting topic and discussion to me.... And, whoever said the thing abvout calling their twig leader in the Corps "Endora". Well, my wife cracked up over that one, in that she knew that gal in question very well. and says that the "Endora" moniker fit her quite well... Yeah, y'all involved with CES and alla that oughta run away. Far away...Sounds too danged weird to me...

Belle, I think Billy D's post to you was very reasonable. Take it to heart... :)

Evan. You named your twig "Swattrattra"? I just read that post to my 7th Corps wife (she knew what a drama queen KAG was), and Mrs Lingo burst out laughing. She said that that kind of humor in the Corps is reminiscent of the day when Anthony Patch prayed up in the Ambassador Room for "poor little Clarita who at this moment is being bitten by devils......." Such irreverence! :)

Whoa. Way spooky. I don't see anything in that that resembles life in the First Century Church. I say: RUN AWAY. And, apparently this "Elizabeth" is JALs second wife? I hadn't heard that he'd remarried after he and Pat split up.

Secret Squirrel. Since this is your first post, I would like to be the first to welcome you to the Grease Spot Cafe. Have fun, watch your "top knot", and remember, this place isn't necessarily a Christian hangout. There are many here who now don't believe in God anymore. But whatever, NIce to meet ya. Jonny Lingo P.S. I love the name "Secret Squirrel". When I was an outcast from The Way, certain "Way GB" (Way Safety/Security) followed me around at a Word In Business conference trying to figure out why I was there. And I called them them "Secret Squirrels". I guess I was already M and A'd. And, they had reason to watch me I guess, because I was there to pick up some guys and gals who had been kicked out of the Corps and had gone to the conference in order to "defect". I ended up running a "safe house" for intenational Way Corps who had been kicked out of the Corps. And the secret squirrels called over at my place a few times pretending to be people whom they were not while trying to extract information, etc. One even came over just to say "hi" while I had the international brethren up in a bedroom so this branch leader couldn't see them. His eyes were darting everywhere.It was too funny those secret squirrels...hah! It was too funny, yet so sad...

Yes, WAY too funny. And yes, I am really curious as to what this "dreams" thing is about. I had a dream last night that I don't think my wife would appreciate, and so, I don't think that God sent that one. But, it was a really good dream! Maybe it came from STFI? But, all foolish jesting aside (doesn't the Scripture tell us to put it away anyway?), I hope that things work out too Jeff. Those ministry splits can cause so much hurt and devastation, as we all know. I hope that they can nip it in the bud before it gets any uglier. And, that quote that came from somebody here about how alkl organizations have the seeds of failure in them or whatever. That is so true. Even the guys trained by the Master Jesus Christ himself ended up blowing it with the First Century church. Interesting...

As a matter of fact! But actually, I was stealing a line from from stand up comedian Bob Nelson who does a routine about "dumb NFL footbal players" and he mimics one player doing a United Way commercial who says; "Football is my life If it weren't for football, I wouldn't be playing football today!!" Have any of you ever seen his stuff? Damn he is funny. Seems like there was a Bob Nelson "following" in the Way Corps back in the mid eighties, and everybody was quoting his routine. As a matter of fact, Bob Nelson played the goofy husband of Arnold Schwarzenegger's female partner in "Kindergarten Cop". Bob Nelson is a truly funny guy. If you ever get a chance to see him, or see one of his stand up routines on video/CD, you will not regret it... And, maybe he plays....guitar?

Chris Geer is a very smart guy, make no mistake about that.

If it weren't for guitars, I wouldn't be playing guitars today.

That was very nicely put Socks. Amazing how it all went swirlin down the bowl as it did... :( I was in fact just a dips h i t teenager and happily, never really got past the simple things like Romans 10:9. Eph 3:20, Phi 4:19, Phil 4:13, III John 2, John 10:10, etc...And because of that, God did stuff in my life and I enjoyed it. But as I crept closer to the higher end of the "pile", it did get uglier, and definitely very confusing after awhile. And so, I would simply revert to what I knew worked for me and shared that with others, while trying not to condemn myself for not "being up on the latest heavy teachings" like "Atholes Of The Thpirit", etc...

Waysider- No problem. I am just talking about my experience, that's all. The folks with whom I fellowshipped weren't condescending when one opted for a doctor, but rather, did their best to cheer a person and help them to NOT be in condemnation because they didn't "get the quick miracle". I was blessed to be around a lot of loving people during my Way days. One time I smashed my left pinky finger into a bloody mess, and had to drive twenty miles through the Oregon mountains to get to the limb home back in Portland where the LC's wife, an RN, took care of me with her "doctor bag" of, among other things, surgical snips to clip off my badly damaged skin, wasted finger nail, etc. Then she put some aloe vera plant goo on it, bandaged it, prayed for me, and sent me on my way. And it healed very quickly. When it came to health insurance, well, I came to my own conclusions on that one. I was of a "youthful invincible mindset" ( I was eighteen when I "got in"), and believing God for good health fit perfectly with the idea of "not wasting money" on something like health insurance that I wouldn't need anyway. But as time went on, marriage and kids came along, etc, I began to see the value of health insurance, thanks to my wife, a personal lines insurance agent. But even then, I didn't get lambasted by my LC for having "full coverage" on our vehicles, or what is known up here as "Alaska Kidcare" health care. Now, Life Insurance, that's a dandy! I was totally opposed to it. I remember telling some Mutual Of Omaha guy over the phone that; "What would I need life insurance for? I have Life Assurance! For God will take care of me like His Word promises!" Then the guy launched into this thing about Billy Graham telling his congregation that "life insurance was indeed needed...." The guy then tried to persuade me of the investment value, but when one is 21 years old and invincible and also filled with the promises of God in his head, that dog ain't gonna hunt! And ya know, I am thankful that I still have that mindset, that God's promises will keep me, my wife, and my kids healthy. Oh, my wife is insured with the company she works for, and so am I (health that is), but so far, thanks be to the Almighty and his Word, we have escaped the many calamities that are out there. Just thankful, that's all. I hope this doesn't upset anyone, but I learned this in The Way, and I am really really thankful for what I learned on that count. Since then I have seen the same things preached by many other Christian teachers as well. But for me, it started in The Way, and for that I am thankful. Plus, I ministered to my allegedly dying father (heart attack) and a miracle occurred, and he walked out the next day completely whole. And I was bolstered by the "sogwap" attitude thing and John 14:12 and Phil 4:13 to do what I did. I baffled the Dr's when they tried to get me to leave the ICU unit and then told them that "I ain't leavin', I am going to heal my Dad". And then I prayed with authority and, badabing! Ten minutes later, everything reversed itself and he was healed. I'll never forget that, and I will never allow anyone to talk me out of the Truth that God kept His Word to me and my Daddy. I have drawn from that incident and God's promises ever since and have seen God come through time and again. Some may call me "Waybrained", but that's okay, I know what I know.... :)

I like guitars...