J0nny Ling0

Try to hug me again and I'll have to assault you too! :)--> P.S. I think you forgot to post something there..

Hey there No Longer Lurking- You just nailed me there with a "sound bite" which really, if you look at what I was responding to, you may understand it better. Someone, and I don't remember who, layed out a challenge to "name just one thing" that we would lose from society if there were no homosexuals. And so, I took up the challenge and "named one thing" which I had experienced while being part of this society. So, that was sort of a flippant, yet factual response to that particular question. I hope that clears it up some... :)-->

Hey there big fella

Thanks Ex

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Ok Excath, the beliefs of many narrow minded Christians are sacred to them. Sorry for not clarilfying that. F**k it. I tried... See ya.....Jonny Lingo

Mr. P-Mosh- You said: Now. I am going to take a different tack with you. I am usually combative with you, but I have had a change of heart. But I do want to explain to you the answer to the "sound bite" that I snipped out of your post. Please accept this offering in the spirit in which I give it, for I mean not to flame you at all. Ok? The reason so many Americans, particularly Christians want others to conform to their beliefs is because they actually believe that the thing (in this case "that homosexuality is wrong and that it invites the Devil to destroy our society-don't get derailed by the parenthetical clause) that they are against, will hurtall of us even including you as an American Citizen. To you, this belief may be pure foolishness, but to Christian people it is not foolishness. To them, it is the truth. And so, the real question is; "What is right?" The gay people believe that their lifestyle is just fine and ok with the Almighty, or they simply do not believe in the Almighty within the Christian parameters, or they don't believe in God at all. Look. I am not trying to rumble with you. I'm getting kinda tired of doing that. But the beliefs of Christian people are just as sacred to them as are the beliefs of gay people and of let's say Muslim people, and we know how comitted they are. So, in answer to your question: I can only tell you this: It is because of what they believe. And there is nothing you or I can do about their beliefs, other than vote. So what to do? Well, I don't know, really. I, personally am one of those Christians with biblical beliefs. You on the other hand are not. So, Whaddarewegonnado? Hate eachother? Well, that wouldn't be right... I guess we gotta respect each others beliefs, whether they be gay beliefs, liberal beliefs, Muslim beliefs, or Christian beliefs, or atheist beliefs, or a miriad of "whatever beliefs" and try not to be too caustic when we "rumble" in debate, and when we go to the polls, vote for that or whoever best represents our beliefs. Sorry for the "over-italitization" of the word beliefs, but really, it is essential to the point I wanted to make. Peace young brother. I hope that we all can come to agreement some sweet day. Peace bruh! :)--> Jonny Lingo [This message was edited by Jonny Lingo on February 24, 2004 at 23:48.]

Yeah, really. And sorry if I seem like a caveman half the time. I really do love you and everybody else here....Really...Life is short, and we all got involved when we did because we loved, and wanted to change the world for the better. I love you all... JL

Excath- I too love "I love you forever". My mom gave it to all of us kids, and it made me cry too. Right now I have a sixteen year old son with the walkman thing like the kid in the book, and my nineteen year old daughter who is away at a Maritime school sent my wife a birthday card that said; I love you forever, I'll like you for always As long as I'm living your daughter I'll be :)--> :(--> :)--> tears..

Interesting thread. I also remember the thing about the snow, as does Ex10. It may be because we were in the same Corps. While we were in rez, there was a guy named Mike Coad, who was doing the college diviz thing. He came to our twig in CA when I had been a WOW, and therefore was somewhat of a friend in rez. He was going to go to school at possibly Texas A nad M as a chemistry major, and he told told me that he was specifically looking into and studying this snow thing. Except that it wasn't "fire from snow", but rather "exploding snow". This guy Mike believed that it must be available if Dr. Wierwille had said it was, and that this is why he went after it. I believe I remember him standing up at the head table one time and talking to us about it. I am not sure what good "exploding snow" would be, but then again, if we wanted to wipe out the Russkies one winter by making their snow explode.... "Hey what happened to the Soviets? Oh, they sploded"... Woulda given new meaning to the...Cold...War? ;)--> [This message was edited by Jonny Lingo on February 23, 2004 at 23:49.]

Long Gone said; If such an amendment passes, only THE PEOPLE, rather than a few judges, can change the definition of marriage. That is as it should be, though I would prefer that presumptuous judges would not force the matter. Yeah... [This message was edited by Jonny Lingo on February 22, 2004 at 2:06.]

Trefor- So. Civil disobedience (breaking the Law) is "ok", as long as it challenges the cause that is against your agenda...

As in the state of Alaska, a marriage should be between one man ond one woman. But I guess it doesn't matter that we Citizens in Alaska voted that Law into being. If our City mayors decide that they want to break it, they can just follow San Francisco's example. I wonder how many more cities will follow suit? A small town in New Mexico has just yesterday..So, why bother to vote? Isn't voting one of the most sacred aspects of our way of freedom here in America? So who says that homosexuals won't and do not hurt our society? It's right here in front of our faces to day! It's like "we lost that election. but we're gonna do it our way anyway"..

Jonny Longo said: As in the state of Alaska, a marriage should be between one man ond one woman.

I guess I have the same effect on them that I do women! ;)-->

Ya cacoon chucker. Fly any weird looking kites lately? Yeah, I know who ya are, you soccer playin fool! The Irish during our last year knicknamed you The Terrier because of your soccer playing. Me? Well, theycalled me an American football player, because,well, I kept running people over, and I kept making Bob Eachus blow his whistle at me for perpetrating acts of what he referred to as "intimidation". He said it was wrong of me to scream like a banshee as an approaching player on the opposite team dribbled in my direction and I yelled and ran straight at him trying to make him think that I was going to run him over. Bob would blow his whistle a couple of chirps and say, "Hey mite, you cont do thet! Thet's initmidaytion!" And I'd yell back; "I know! I was trying to scare him away from the ball!" And the Irish would say "Oh b-.... Bob! That's just futbol!!" Oh damn that was alot of fun... So Groucho. You have me wonderin who you be? Private topics? [This message was edited by Jonny Lingo on February 22, 2004 at 13:35.]

"The Master of ignorant drive-by attacks". I had to laugh at that one to be sure! And hey, do you mean to say that someone actually wrote an article that innacurately described the state of Dr. Atkins health for political gain? Hey Rocky, did you hear about that? Wow... And hey, another thing that was a big blessing when I did the Atkins thing was that my annual sringtime allergies to pollen simply vanished! Dr. Atkins said somewhere in his book that this is a common side effect of cutting out all of the extra crappy carbs, and lo and behold, it came to pass. Every spring since I was around eighteen, I would become a train wreck of sneezing, watery eyes, nose running like a faucet, etc. Once back East, I sneezed so many times in a row that I had to stop driving so I could ask some lady in a fairly nice neighbor hood who was watering her lawn if I could stick my head and face under her water hose in order to get some relief. She was kind and let me, but it was hard to ask in between sneezes. Pretty funny incident, really. But at least after I got watered down and stopped sneezing, I could see well enough to drive on home... But, I had thought that when I moved back to S.E. Alaska where it rains like Portland, OR, or Seattle (only way worse), that I would be free from the pollen attacks thinking that the ever present rain would "wash the skies" of all the pollen. But nooo! The trees in the Tongass National Forest, the Sitka Spruce and Hemlock, put out massive amounts of pollen which I had not expected. On some of the dry days in the spring, one can see what appears to be "rivers of pollen" flowing in the air just as one sees a rainstorm at a distance. And my first year back here, before doing the Atkins diet, it hit me so bad, that my itching eyes got so bad that the whites of my eyes swelled up and closed halfway over my pupils! I had to get medicated eye drops to help the siutation. But that next spring, after I had lost 47 pounds and had been on Atkins for about 2 and a half months, I had not even a sneeze. It was all over with. Problem gone. Man oh man was I blessed about that! Once, while out on the deck of the ferry while underway, I scraped up a "line" of pollen off of the lifejacket storage box and snorted it with no negative effects whatsoever. Did it just to prove to myself that even that wouldn't send me into a spaz attack of allergies. And even though I haven't adhered to Atkins as strictly as when I lost all the weight, I haven't had allergy problems any more. Yeah Sudo, it's amazing how we were fed so much wrong information concerning diet by the AMA and other "nutritionalists"... What is that saying that PHD's are to go by? "Do No Harm"? Something like that anyway.. Thought you all might be interested to hear that. About the allergy thing that is...

Derek who? And, I like that southern Colorado River. Swam in it once down in Needles, and it was nice and cold on a very hot day! Saw a damned Roadrunner (bird) there that day also. Ran along side my car!

"Flyover Country". Hmmm, I like that term! I want to settle there someday..Oklahoma, Kansas, somewhere warm!

So, MJ, you say that you are single?

TreFor, You are absolutely right. There is no Draft. Haven't had one for years. Strangely though, it is a number of Democrats who want to bring it back. But that's another issue... Look Trefor, You have to understand why people are against same sex marriages. It is very simple. First of all, you BELIEVE that homosexuality is ok. Sometime in your life, you crossed that line and decided that "I am not weird, this is ok, there is nothing wrong with it. This is what I am". However you want to word it, you no doubt decided that "this is what I am, and "there is nothing wrong with it". You may word it however you wish, which is fine with me, but I am somewhere close to the mark. This is now your BELIEF, and you act according to this BELIEF, and you support others who have this BELIEF. For instance, you support (and possibly applaud) those gays standing in the rain out there in Frisco, getting their illegal documents, while flaunting the laws of the State of California along with the Mayor Of Sanfrancisco. There are also others who are not gay, but support you and others who are gay. I, and a majority of Americans, do not BELIEVE that homosexuality is ok. Many of us have Biblical reasons for drawing this conclusion, and many others who don't care about Biblical issues, but just plain believe that homosexuality is against Nature, and don't believe that it is right to change our laws to accomodate it. Others do not give a rats a$$ about God or Nature, but don't want to see a particular group change our laws because of what they see as a lifestyle chosen for pleasure. The problem that many on both sides have is that we don't want someone elses BELIEFS to become OUR Laws. I believe that our laws are good enough, and if gay people want to have sex with eachother, go ahead, don't flaunt it, get a room and I don't want to hear about it. But don't try to change our Laws and put a "moral stamp of approval" on something that I believe is immoral and wrong. This is based upon my BELIEF which is not subject to change. And of course, with you being gay, you believe something that is no doubt, the opposite of this. So, what to do? Well, many gay people think it is all about educating people about "Acceptance, and Tolerance, and Respect, and enlightening the ignorant". Particularly the younger generations. I see this in the public schools all of the time. We had a gay and lesbian group try to come to my kid's public school and do a little seminar on gay acceptance, where a couple of 40 year old lesbian chicks were to speak about their relationship, and how they were just as "normal" as any hetero couple, with one doing the dishes while the other watched Ellen on TV and drank beer or whatever. And we have the books, "Heather Has Two Mommies", and Daddy's Little Roomate" sitting on the shelves of our public schools now. But we Citizens (a majority of us here) objected to this seminar, wrote letters to the School Board, stood up in School Board meetings and were successful in stopping this thing from happening. And of course we were labeled as Intolerant Hating Homophobes, who were "against Education" of all things. And of couse this whole seminar entitled "Reaching For Respect" was to happen during a full week of regular school time hours, which meant that we taxpayers were to have payed the bill while normal education sat on the back burner for a whole school week. So, this is something many many many of us here in 'Merica believe to be wrong because it is against our BELIEFS, so we fight against it, and in doing so, are labeled as "homophobes", "haters", and other unjust titles. This fight will go on, and as morals continue to decay, and the younger generations get older, and teach their children more and more "that gay is ok", there will probably be much more acceptance of homosexuality than ever before. And it will appear that the "gay crusade" has won. I'd say that it is winning now for that matter. You guys are comitted, and have made tremendous strides in your efforts. I would say congratulations, but I believe it is a tragedy. But someone's BELIEF is right, and someone elses is wrong. And we'll just have to wait and see. As for me and my house, we will continue to walk in love toward "them that are without", and we will serve the Lord as we see His Biblical representation of Himself and His laws and edicts. And we will vote accordingly. People have BELIEFS, and we People act upon what we BELIEVE, and therefore clash when the Beliefs clash. And that is all there is to it, for many of us will not compromise, for to us, as Martin Luther once said of his BELIEF, it "would not be sane"...

Ok Trefffor, I understand what you mean about cleverly worded propositions on ballots. My wife and I had to really study a predator control (wolves) proposition. Initially, we thought we should have voted "yes" on it, but the more we studied it, we found that if we had voted "yes", had that propsition ended winning as a yes vote, the hunting of wolves for the sake of predator control in certain areas would have been outlawed. As it was, the "no's" won, and our wolf control program in McGrath and along the Nelchina River is finally underway. About thirty wolves have been taken so far..

Oh yeah, Red Skelton! Remember when he used to do his Crazy Joe Guggenhiem thing? And I think that my favorite thing of all was "The Silent Spot" the only kind of "mime" I ever liked. Maybe it was called "pantomime", but I am not sure of the difference. I never could stand those white faced "mime" guys. In fact, my 16 year old son and I have a standing joke about hating mimes.. Anyway, on The Silent Spot, I remember how he would pretend to be bitten by a snake, and then pretend to pour some whiskey on the bite, then take a "little nip" (strictly for medicinal purposes ya know), and then after a while, he looks around, and then coaxes the imaginary snake to bite him again so he can drink some more of that imaginary whiskey, and he gets drunker and drunker as he keeps begging that snake to bite him again and again. Too damned funny. I remember him saying once in an interview that he always enjoyed being able to make people laugh without having to tell dirty jokes and such. I also remember that they gave him an honorary Oscar one time shortly before he died. And when he got up there, he kept messing with the statue while he talked, and the head came off! And he looks down at it, then at the crowd and said; "Would you look at that! I broke the damned thing already"! And the crowd just roared! And that was the last time I heard him say that simple "God bless". Yeah, when Red Skelton died, I cried. He was kind of a part of my childhood I guess.... Thanks for bringing it up Little Hawk.

Long Gone, this is, once again, the most basic and logical reason for the American people to utilize our powers as voters to stop this ridiculous charade known as "same sex marriage". I think it was you who said it in more detail earlier on, and it was very intelligently presented, and certainly not "hateful" nor "homophobic". Great additional point about first cousins not being allowed to marry because any procreation there could very well result in a child with screwed up genes, because, marriage is considered a preferred status because of the procreation factor. And...........it also don't line up with the Good Book...

Ahh Little Hawk, you seem to be a man after me own heart! My kids like I Love Lucy too as a matter of fact. Yup, I like those old shows. I don't get the chance to see the Honey Mooners very often though, but when I do catch it, it certainly does bring back fond memories of watchin' it with my Mom and dear departed Pappy though. My Dad always liked that show alot... To da moon Alice!!