J0nny Ling0

No, the question was fairly simple. And, why are you so damned contrary? It seems like you are always on my case. I don't dislike you...

No, ExCath, Amazing Sea Monkeys from Mars is my favorite thread! But I confess, I do like sex. How 'bout you?

Hey! What happened? The above post has been here since yesterday! Nobody talkin?

I concur with Tom Strange, but I know for a fact that John S. took it upon himself to write the paper on adultery, and when he was asked to leave the subject alone, he proceeded anyway. TWI did not initially ask him to do the research. That would have been foolish of them, for they knew what John S. was to find. So, when he started it, they tried to shut him down, but he proceeded anyway, and he was subsequently fired for it. Draw your own conclusions...

Regardless of when the letter was written, I think it was a nice letter... Jonny Lingo

Away Dark Monkey! Away!

Pirate- They may well call them knickers Across The Pond, but they also refer to them as "pahntys" (accent supplied). There was an English fellow in my Corps who told many a joke that included humorous references to "women's pantys", and I have heard other Brits do the same.. OzGirl- Ya know, you are right about what you say when you say: "Religions play a large part in demonising natural instincts such as sex, and put unnecessary taboos into society, such as "we don't talk about sex". However, as Love matters mentioned, hetero sex was not much frowned upon in The Way. I remember the founder of the Way (VPW) saying that it really wasn't the act of sex itself that is a problem, but rather the emotional repercussions that many times occur after people have been involved with each other for a long time and then casually break it off. This of course gave "license" (at least to many people-not all) to seek out lots of "no strings attached" sex. The verse in the Scripture which says; "Happy is the man who condemneth not himself in that thing which he allows" (paraphrased from memory from-where-Romans?) became a popular excuse for alot of people to excuse themselves from the responsibility that comes with a sexual relationship which resulted so many times in lots of hurt. Personally, I don't know if "no strings attached sex" exists, unless one were to utilize the services of a prostitute. And even then, there may not be any strings for one utilizing the services of a prostitute, but what about the prostitute? It seems to me that there really is not any "no strings attached" sex for the taking, except for in marriage or when one goes "solo" of course. Maybe I am wrong, but that's the way it seems to me. Anybody else? And Lovematters- I am not sure that it is accurate to say that "there were no taboos" in The Way concerning sex. As a Way clergyman, I was fairly high up in the hierarchy, and I never preached that it was "ok", and I never utilized that verse in Romans as an excuse to do what I pleased. In all of the areas where I served, I counseled people that it was best to stay away from it unless there was a serious relationship going on that would lead to marriage. I made sure to let people know that it certainly was natural for people to want to "go there" (not that I used that "computer generation term" then) but that they could end up hurting themselves if things didn't work out. I also knew other leaders who believed and preached the same. Most of my "dalliances" were situations where I thought I was in love, with only a few of them being just casual sex for which I condemned myself afterward for having "gone there". And there were also many instances where I spurned the amorous advances of some randy gals because I believed that it wasn't the love of God to just go and do it. Once out on the back forty at Emporia one night, a gal and I were making out so heavily and wanted it soo bad, but at one point we both decided that it wasn't right, and we both up and walked back to Ye Old Snack Shoppe and got some coffee or whatever. Who said miracles never happen!? Haha! Yeah, that wasn't easy..But we did both walk away. Probably easier for her of course, I think... So, it certainly wasn't just the boys in The Way who had serious libido going on, that's for sure. Hell, we were children of the Sixties and Seventies! For me, it was always a matter of; is this going to be a hurtful thing or not? And sometimes I was "good" and abstained, and sometimes I was "bad". But OzGirl, we never believed that such things were sin that would send one to Hellfire and Brimstone for Eternity. This was definitely preached and was doctrine in The Way, unlike other denominations and possibly the Jehovah's Witnesses? Well, there some input I guess... JL

Yes, the British seem to think it very risque' to make jokes about women's "pantys". Somewhat a droll subject to me..."pahnties" as they'd say... Trefor? Care to weigh in? Or do you prefer jokes about "boxers"?

Hi Oz Girl! Ya know, I wrote you an e-mail awhile back, and frankly, I wanted to talk to you about Sex. Intimately! Naw, just kiddin'. But I did write you a note to ask you some things about JW's and etc.. But concerning sex, I first have to say that I love it and get it as often as I can. Can't seem to get enough of it, really, but my wife is a dandy and things on the homefront are fine. And, I once started a thread here called "Premarital Consensual Sex In The Way" which was pretty lively and lasted a fairly long time. I used a different handle at that time though and referred to myself as "Buck". Some of you may recall that thread, maybe no. The reason I started that thread with that particular title was because I had had a number of sexual encounters while in The Way which were not abusive, but rather were very consensual, and were the result of being a lively and healthy youth. The same was the case with the various females involved. I wanted to talk about it and get away from the whole subject of "leaders abusing female followers", and wanted to know if there were any out there who had had similar experiences like I had had that were not in the category of "leaders abusing followers". Since there had been so many threads involving the "sexual abuse factor", I wanted to change the subject a bit to see if anyone else could relate to me on the subject. I think that the situations that I had found myself in were normal youthful encounters, and I wanted to know if there were others who had felt this way. And to my surprise, there were a good number of others whose experiences were similar to my own, both guys and gals. It was quite a lively and fun thread which did understandalbly veer off into the "abuse" categories, which of course was fine as well, for these things did happen as Cool Waters recently mentioned. But anyway, I don't feel at all bothered by you bringing up the subject. Glad you did. So, did you ever get my e-mail? ;)--> Jonny Lingo

No Socks, I have never heard of the Fabulous Bumblebees. But there was the "Fabulous Thunderbirds", wasn't/isn't there? And now, brothers and Sistahs: Who is Brother Argyle? And, as far as an Amazing Sea Monkey musical genre, I cannot say. I do know that people really like to drink beer and be happy when they hear the blues and boogie woogie type music played. And since the Amazing Sea Monkeys seemed to have used the Rock n' Roll culture to get their message across, then maybe we should go with Rock'n Roll Boogie Woogie Blues! Of course I would say that, because that is what I am most proficient at and what I like. But after hearing Brother Socks's little musical MPG there, I know that he is way beyond my abilities in the music world. But no doubt I could learn something new fore shore! And OLM Socks, I liked your musical clip, but I haven'e figgered out how to down load it and hear the whole thing in one cosecutive swatch of time. I only hear little chopped bits of it as it downloads. And what do we do now that there is a band in Canadia that loves the name? Can there be two Amazing Sea Monkeys bands? Strange brother Tom, why soitainly! PLay those congas! Congas remind me of the tropics which reminds me of the beach, which remionds me of salt water which makes me think of brine which always brings to my mind....The Amazing Sea Monkeys!! Man! this is a mind blow!

Ya know though, they may run into a snag with a copyright on that name. I read somewhere recently that the guy who had started selling the brine shrimp as Amazing Sea Monkeys died recently, but also that he had amassed quite a fortune off of his enterprise. So it is possible that the name is patented or copyrighted or whatever. But really, what a great name, eh? And imagine the kid of stage props and costumes you could wear as an Amazing Sea Monkey! Man, all that could get really funny...

Ya know, now that you mention it Strange Tom, wouldn't it be hilarious if their was a real bad called The Amazing Sea Monkeys? I mean really, there have been bands called "The Presidents Of The United States", The Butthole Surfers, Toad The Wet Sprocket, Trout Mask Replica, The Grateful Dead, The Sex Pistols, etc... So, why not The Amazing Sea Monkeys?!! Socks! Let's do it! We could have a blues band and play the Bay Area, make lots of money, go on Leno, get signed and go on a world tour spreading the love of the Amazing Sea Monkeys! You could be the band leader, play guitar, I could play harmonicas and do vocals, and certainly Bluzman plays something, and no doubt somebody else here plays something, and we could really make it happen! But really, if a band was good, they could easily be called The Amazing Sea Monkeys and it would fit with the rock and roll world with no problem. I mean, remember "Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars"?

Hey CW! Happy anniversary! I was Jum Schatmeyer's best man at that wedding when he married Dianne Mooncotch. We had a blast at the Holiday Inn after the weddings and going to all of the receptions. Don Olson and I got really drunk at the bar there and ended up going home to the apartment of these two girls from Emporia State University, and well, we uh, well, needless to say uh, we didn't make it "home" by midnight that night. Donny and I figured that it wasn't fair that you newlyweds were having all of the fun that night, so we went a little "AWOL" ;)--> Haha! And JAL was never the wiser...

Hey! Where is everybody?

Valerie- Yup. I still canot find any excuse for those people down in Tenessee. I mean, digging their own graves? Galen- Well Galen, thanks for the response there. I have the utmost respect for you. However, as a father of four, and husband of one wife, I have what seems to be to me, a very full plate. It seems as if our entires days an nights are filled with the chores of raising up our younguns, complete with all of the emotions, heartaches, and thrills and such. And the expenses. Two of ours are still young at eight and twelve (boys), and then, we have two teenagers that never fail to keep us A.) out of money and B.) Always on the edge with concern and yes worry, as they go about their young lives. One son is seventeen, and is more concerned with being a "funny guy" and a "ladies man" than he is concerned about grades and responsibilities and such, while our daughter, the more responsible one is off to a maritime school down in Astoria, Oregon to become a US Merchant Seaman like her daddy. But she does party a bit and, only a couple of months ago, on a dare, jumped off of some bridge and plunged forty feet into some tributary of the Colombia River. She was fine because she is an excellent swimmer, and used to jump off the cruise ship dock here where we live, but the Police still busted her for it and of course these things are enough to keep us on our toes to the max. Ahh, but the kids you speak of certainly are in need aren't they. Maybe when our kids are all out of the nest we could attempt such a thing. But not for now. At any rate your wife and yourself are providing a wonderful service. Thanks bruh..

Hey, this topic has become quite interesting. I am glad it came up. I for one have never considered being a foster parent, but as a regular parent, I have at least wanted to put duct tape on my kid's mouths when they wouldn't stop running their yap. Never did it though. Galen, I really hadn't thought about how a person could be tempted by these potentially unruly kids who came out of terrible situations and then became very hard to handle as you have explained. It certainly does not excuse these people's behavior in that story, but it is possible that they were tempted into it by "crazed little crack kids". I guess if this was the case, then maybe they should not have taken on so many foster kids? How many foster kids do you have Galen? Seems like a rough situation. I think that if I were doing such a service, I would cut back on the amount of foster kids so that I could be as effective as possible with just a couple of them. Too many would make it harder to deal with, at least for me anyway...

Well, I am glad that I come from a culture where wholesale slaughter is "frowned upon". Personally, I think that any other culture that embraces such is just plain WRONG, and their "culture" therefore stinks...

I asked myself that same question Mosh, when I read about the Ruwandans slaughtering each other, with Hutu mothers throwing Tutsi babys into the river while babysitting for their Tusti mother "friends". People hacking women and children to pieces with machetes, etc. I ask myself many times when I read of these types of cruelties; "What planet are these people from?! I can only conclude that these people must be posessed by evil spirits that drive them to do these inhuman things, for, it is so beyond the pale of sanity, that this is my only conclusion. I don't expect you to agree with that, but this is my conclusion. I just read that story about the Tennesee couple doing that to those kids, and what they did is just plain unconscionable. I imagine their initial interest in having those foster kids was so that they could suck money off of a government program, and as their power grew, so grew their corruption, for as the old saying goes: Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" I guess their crime is their form of the "absolute corruption" that they succumbed to. Thank God that they were caught, and now may face an equally harsh punishment for their crimes. At least no kids died, that we know of... :(-->

MOW, Socks, I never thought of it that way! I think you are on to something, for I had the same spiritual sensations in ma heart and in ma mind, when that rabbit stood there like that and looked at me and then spoke. So, I am sure now that there is a connection fer sher! Didn't Tom Petty write a song having to do with a white rabbit? I have been having dreams for the last two nights about Tom Petty, a white rabbitt, and Alice In Wonderland. What was that rabbit about? Hey! I just started page 23!

Well Mary Cate, I guess that's about right concerning the "bra/briefs comparison". Although a pair of briefs don't "lift and separate" like a bra does(and this is probably too much information ), briefs keeps ones "utilities" off of ones inner thighs which is an uncomfortable thing when ones body temperature rises due to much walking or doing physical labor. Maybe boxer guys are office workers? I am not, I am a construction worker. Now. Wonder Briefs, that sounds interesting...

I still want to know why a rabbit would endeavor to deliver a cosmic message to us Socks, and not an anAmazing Sea Monkey...Why the rabbit?

Why thank you Rascal, glad you like my choice of pattern. However, although the crew on the ship that I worked on liked my Taz boxers as I would have to slip out of my crews quarters for a trip to the head, and would be seen in them, I still don't really like the fact that there is no "support", and that wearing them is akin to not wearing any undergarment at all, except that they bunch up and are therefore even more uncomfortable than nothing at all. Their one saving grace however (at least for me), is that I could wear them in a semi-public situation (such as in the crew quaters area of my ship) and not feel as if I were wearing a goofy pair of "whitie tighites", which I loathe...

Hey, what gives? I thought we were talking about thongs, which are far sexier thany danged boxer shorts... :)--> But, since you all are still stuck on the boxer shorts, I will mention that the only pair I wear are a pair with "Taz" the Tazmanian Devil/Bugs Bunny character on them.

You guys are killin me! I am as we say lmao :)-->

I knew Uncle Harry, and he was sweet man. He was a giver to the max. He "rescued me" one day from Del Duncan who thought that I was some kind of an "infiltrator" from the IRS when I was visiting the The Way HQ for my first time as a new grad. He told Del to leave me and my bud alone and to get us something to eat! And it as genuine. I don't think that even VP started the whole thing as a scam, but rather, as the power grew, the corruption came in. As the saying goes: "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". I think that the intial goal was to help people, but as these conservative Ohioans began to see the money flow and the halter topped bra-less babes (all of you forty and fifty somethin gals posting and reading here) started showing up and giving holy kisses and honest, good old big hearted hugs, the old boys couldn't handle it and went the way that we see countless initially good people go. It's all over the O.T., and in the NT as well. They went after the flesh, a common theme in the Bible, and well, the rest is history, with all the sordid details... Now flame me...