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Oak, I remember now! Thank you. He did have a great voice. I wondered where he went. He seemed to disappear like so many others. Anyone know if they do music tapes/CDs? Guess I could get my lazy butt to their web site... JT

Radar, Dave L. I remember. Who is Fred G.? JT

dm, WRT = With Regard To (Don't be impressed. I asked my son) So Dave L*** ditched TWI too! Is anyone left in their WayProd? JT

Out, Oops! Sorry. :=|

LongGone, Grizzy, My LC directly told me to Mark & Avoid the internet. Really. No kidding. I asked him if he was going to tell every person in the limb to not use email at work anymore. Believe it or not, he hadn't thought about it! Typical HQ order. Make some doofus command and don't think about the real world. The sad thing is that I wish I were making this up. JT p.s. You have no idea how hard it was to not just laugh in his face.

Radar, This was a little before my time. Late 80s is when I showed up. Just in time for the "fog", lots o' accusations and weirdness. Kind of like the old chinese proverb: "May you live in interesting times." LOL!

Out, I'm impressed! You da man! JT

Steve!, Excuse my ignorance. Who were the "Victors?" Little Weirwille wanna-bes? ;-) JT

Garth, Was that a literal according to usage? ;-)

Actually, Dave is Dave L**z. He was also in the group "Fellow Workers with God" in the early 90s. Country singer. Wasn't he also in the High Country Caravan? JT

If only UPS had a dance troupe... JT

Tom, By their standards they've increased. For example, the other day, I was in a hurry and the light turned green just as I pulled up to it. And I wasn't even speaking in tongues to myself! And one time, at band camp... (For you American Pie fans)

George, How about LCM saying "Hover" with a long "O" sound? As in "the spirit hoavered..."

My first thought when they told us Craig was out and RLR was in was "at least we won't have another sex scandal." How bad is that? If Joe C. is an decent guy, I hope he does get the job.

Shaz, Thank you. The whole thing sounds creepy to me. Let's live in the 70s/80s etc.

Jim has a good point. The new, old, new TWI is all about "nice." We're just harmless, old christians, just like you. (Said with best southern' drawlllll) His name never comes up in mention of scandal even though he was around LCM a lot. Actually, I don't know that for sure. Wasn't he around HQ most of his wayfer career? JT

Shaz, OLG? JT

Why Golfie, for the glowry of Gawd, of course! JT

I'll add to the chorus: "It does not make one whit of difference if they were willing or unwilling, abused or prostitutes. The point is it was FLAT OUT WRONG for "men of God" to do these things" Amen.

WG, Have they publicly apologized to anyone? Just curious. I can't think of any examples but maybe someone else has heard it.

Oak, I agree. It would be easier to choose another young, 30-something to stand in as figurehead. Much easier to manipulate that way. Pump up his ego and tell him he's the MOG now. Now they just to find someone who can write a book using a ghost writer and looks good on video. JT

Raf, Very well said. I have to wonder if this type of redirection was taught to the corps and tc. It used to happen all the time when I would ask uncomfortable questions. JT

If God made Harleys BEFORE Eve then Adam would have needed another softail to ride. Ok, that was bad. Sorry! JT

Maybe the music would improve? JT

Johniam quote: "I don't think anyone is blaming the women for the actions of an abuser." I disagree based on the info below. Not disagreeing with your points just that particular one. OM quote 1: "This seems to be a key element in the mind control propaganda mindset. You must have been brainwashed to have submit yourself to a loud-mouth balding man with a large forehead, right? It couldn't have been for other reasons...no...you had to be brainwashed. You COULDN'T make decisions on your own... Yes you could folks. It doesn't apply because those Iraq prisoners were there at gunpoint. There's a difference." OM quote 2: "It really would depend on the mind set of the participant involved, but I do question that those engaged in that activity thought it was a requirement to service the mog in that way; I think most freely availed themselves to do it; others were abused, but I would say generally, no, folks who did that sort of thing didn't think it was sexual humiliation at the time (those who thought it might be, or found it distasteful didn't do it, obviously.)" OM quote 3: "doesn't apply because there was no "absolute authority" in twi" My take: If they found it distasteful, they didn't do it OBVIOUSLY?! (My emphasis added) Obvious to whom? Work with women forced into sexual servitude and you'll find not all have been beaten into submission. Oldies posts give me the impression that at least one person here feels that the women chose to be in that position and may have not even seen it as sexual humiliation. However, there are many posts here from women who absolutely felt degraded, used and, yes, coerced. Even if some did it willingly, it would NEVER excuse even one time when they didn't. No "absolute authority" because they weren't physically restrained or threatened? From the great, exalted VPW himself: "Prisons are not only made of bars of steel. The prisons of our secret sins, things in our lives which we don't want to share with any other person in the world," Unlesss, of course, you had written them down in a document when applying for the corps. "are the MOST frustating and defeating." Gee, does the devil have a gun to our head? Nope. But, for the VPW lovers in the crowd, even HE said that mental entrapment is much MORE powerful than physical. Can someone have freedom to run but still be controlled? According to VPW, that's the devil's best method! And, if it was used by MOGs to manipulate women, that makes them similar to...to... Class? JT