JustThinking

Exie, That is "where is my believing?" Make sure your words are Biblically correct. ;-) I hope you'll remember that. ;-)

Isn't it more like the ROA is truly Over?

(WW, I borrowed your list) As of 18 months ago: Salaries... As WW said, they pay peanuts. LCs on the field can put in 40 hours or more just for TWI and get NO pay. Apparently, they are not "full time" employees. BCs and TCs get no pay for the most part. Certainly no TC. Properties.... Which properties are still owned? Which were sold off? Which are not being maintained? (No staff, but not a moneymaker either.) HQ and Gunnison (Gunnison is actually owned under a separate corporation) There may be other properties owned under other corporate names. lcm's class.... They are still milking this one even if most of the students are kids of old grads. It costs them nothing to promote and probably have boxes of materials sitting in storage. If all they care about is cash, they'll stick with this until the use up the old syllabus, books, etc. Then they'll get new "revelation" when they're ready to go to print with the new stuff. The sad news is that they'll recycle their whole group through yet another class for MO' MONEY. Books... Not a barn burner would be my guess. There is still a trickle of new people coming in. VERY few stayed but they were usually good for a few sales before catching on to TWI Advances.... They still do them. Smaller, of course, but they are easy money. The last one I attended was a rehash of old teaching and could have been put together in no time. It was a pathetic effort with nothing new. Think TWIs biggest twig meeting but you paid a couple of hundred bucks to attend. Oh, and the visiting teacher gets a HUGE suite. Tithes... No change when I left. Investments.... Like properties. Could exist under other corporate names.

Radar, I'm with you. I have no reason to dislike these folks. They could be just as duped as we all were. Unless I found evidence to the contrary, I'll assume they need our prayers. On the bright side, maybe we could start a pool to see how long until one of them ends up at the Cafe'! Now THAT is a good thought to sleep on! JT

The other three were locals used as props. ;-) Just kidding! It wouldn't surprise me though.

Skyrider, "2) Stringing five chairs wouldn't take all that long." ROTFLMAO! Ok, they're all great! Five is the number for grace. They'll probably shoe horn that into a teaching somehow. It was also the number of the Jacksons but they'll probably leave that bit out.

Gee, a woman forced or choosing to go into the corpse to get a guy? That used to never happen. ;-) Do we know if the other two men/women are married to each other? No kids are mentioned so I'll assume there are none. Oh well, hard to hide in a group that small. Plenty of opportunity to get that "one-on-one" instruction. In a group that small do you think they bother with formal classes anymore? I can't imagine how you can even do some classes like "how to lead a song you don't know and tell everyone else THEY'RE doing it wrong." Plus, some such as "how to use friends and abuse people" only work if you have an even number. Maybe they'll bring local innies to be practice targets? Come to think of it, if they could call 20 wayfers a branch, they can call 5 corpe a class.

That is hysterical! A class of five?!!! Do you think they felt stupid? Do you even call it a "class?" Isn't it more of a study group? Oh, wait, were there married couples or kids? Five people could just be on family with three kids. Any details? Sorry for the segue.

Based on all of these responses, it seems that the corps at HQ weren't any swifter than the ones on the field. That's sad.

Five?! It was five whole people? (Whole as in total not necessarily as a person) That speaks volumes! Did they use a camera for the picture or did someone just use their cell phone camera? ;-)

All, TWI has changed it's view of the net, at least when it comes to it's own web site. (Gee, bend the rules for themselves? That never happens) Before I left, wayfers were actively pushed to visit the site on a monthly basis. It was effectively added to the "must do" list. Buy our magazine and tapes, give more than 10% and now go to the web site once per month minimum. Someone told me they are now using it as mandatory teaching material just like the wayrag but that is second hand info and could be wrong. Any innies want to confirm or refute that rumor?

Catcup quote: "Emogene was very good at managing things. That's how she got to be in charge of so many things at HQ. She kept volunteering to do the work no one else wanted to do until she amassed enormous power to herself. But she was horrible at dealing with people" Gee, what department at Deadquarters is more likely to deal with the public than the bookstore?! PERFECT place for someone without people skills. :-( It's just incredible. JT

mzimagine quote: "If they haven't M & A people for years, does that mean that those of us who were M & A are now welcome back in the household???" Not long before I left (almost two years ago), I asked that question. The party line is that if they are M&A, it was right. End of story. I then pointed out other statements made to AC grads such as "we're reining it back in (M&A). We went a little overboard on it." Well that was SOOOOO well taken. LOL! No more asking me about being a tc after that. :-) The contradiction was NEVER explained. I'm so surprised. Not! How do you go a "little overboard" on M&A anyway? Isn't that like the proverbial "little pregnant?"

Goey: "TWI turned a lot of good folks into insensitive asswipes. After TWI, it is up to us (our duty) to right our past wrongs as best we can." Well said! I never M&A anyone, was not actually involved in that process (as I wasn't a tc) and wasn't M&A myself. HOWEVER, even though I didn't pull the trigger (figuratively speaking), if I didn't do enough to stop things, I feel I bear some blame too. Stories of regular folks ignoring atrocities in times of war, genocide, etc. are very common. The amazing thing to me about the goodness in people is that usually some rise up and do amazing things to help their fallen neighbors. Kind of like Paw and folks here. JT

Rascal, Good enough for me. Thanks much. JT

GSG, Have to admit that I wondered the same thing. No one noticed a stiff just sitting there? If it was NY or LA, probably not. New Knoxville in the 70s though?

At least there wasn't brouhaha. ;-)

Ahhh... The more abundant wife. ;-)

PJ, You needed and wanted to be parallel? ;-) Rascal, Well said. More and more was expected every step of the way. For a time in TWI II, "Doulos" was THE word used. We all had to strive to be superman/superwoman. No confessing negatives at all. Just "Dog Soldiers staked on the Verd of Truth." The word "denial" comes to mind about now. Great course in learning to ignore realities including spiritual ones.

Grizzy quote: "Remember when LCM announced he and Donna were going to get marriage counseling?" When did Loyboy announce this?! Was it after the court case came to light? If so, it was just a CYA move.

Rascal quote: "You remeber we weren`t ALLOWED to confess any negatives?" THAT sums up my entire experience with TWI on this subject. Ignore as much as possible, dismiss what can't be ignored.

LindaZ, Thank you! :-) Sure glad I passed on the "opportunity" to go on staff. Yikes. Bored or abused. What a choice! JT

This is one of those "don't get me started topics." Uh oh, too late. What I saw and what I know now: 1. Being corps was assumed to give you the magical powers to handle ANY topic at all. Formal training of any kind was unnecessary. That was "world wisdom" after all. 2. Any new person needing this kind of help was ignored or in some way given the hint that they should move on. Too much work, I suppose, or just didnt' fit the plastic smile mold. 3. Those with serious problems needing intervention were expected to adopt the wayfer smile and get along or THEY were the problem. It was easy to slap a label on them such as "possessed" or "stiffnecked." Of course, in the 90s anything other than complete submission got your pegged as a "homo." 4. Medication was looked at as always wrong. In the 90s this did change to "suggestions." What I was told in private was it was important to put it this way to avoid legal issues. Gee, no thought to what actually was a good idea? Nah, why bother? :-( The more I think about this, I can't help but think of the Stepford Wives. Everything had to LOOOOOOOK perfect. Everything solved in one 30 minute teaching. Or one cosmic statement from the local MOG. Sort of like the TV detective who always catches the criminal about 50 minutes in to the show. More of what I saw: 5. A women who had been abused sexually was assigned a single guy to undershepherd her through PFAL. Single guy who was looking for a wife! Hello? 6. Psychologists and Psychiatrists were trashed by LCM thoroughly. If you had thoughts of going in the corps or being a tc and saw one? Forget it. I'll stop before I start to get really p***ed.

Raf, Too funny! I was just thinking (see, if fits me) that this has to be a record for a thread where the person starting it does not participate at all. Nice work, if you can get it. JT

Simon, "Putting "son of God with all power" as a qualification on a job application does not necessarily impress the personnel director" LOL! Linda Z, I would like to hear more about conditions on staff but it would probably deserve it's own thread. It was that bad, huh? Not the picture they paint for the wayfers.