diazbro

I met some great people during my time with TWI though those people get the credit for that NOT TWI. The early success of TWI owes much to the hippy movement and the natural enthusiasm that the youth of that time had for spiritual ideas. This tremendous energy was what propelled TWI to the near 100,000 member mark. It wasn't the "teachings" of PFAL that got me going or kept me there. It was the people ! In the process of becoming involved in TWI I met lots of people who were simultaneously investigating other avenues to enlightenment. Some wholesome and some not so wholesome. And I met some great people who didn't even bother to stick around for a a year before taking off to something else. It was an interesting time to be alive. One of the guys at Twig used to say that it was the "hot bible and hot women" that kept him coming back. Twig allowed him to combine two of his more intense interests. the problem I've seen with those who are very nostalgic for the so called "good ole days" is that they think that just because they met one good person than that means that TWI was totally "right on". I think you can find plenty of soldiers who made friends in the army and in comabt situations though they would quickly tell you that they didn't need to join the army just to make friends. You will find friends in many places. For me TWI was just one of those places... It wasn't the ONLY one.

Thanks Galen..... Speaking in general. I recall a situation wherien I was called upon to give a word of prophecy as part of a routine belivers' meeting during the course of which I said some things that were specific to the occasion and group of people present. After I finished, the TC said out loud something to the effect of (its been a long time but this should be close), "no that was wrong, its not possible for a word of prophecy to contain specific information - that would be the word of knowledge manifestation and you were not called upon to provide that". No one said much and as the awkward silence grew, someone else said "look lets just move on". After the meeting I stated to the TC that I said what I thought I should say and it turns out he was this new AC grad so I guess he was really into the whole "jot and tittle" thing. He basically repeated his comment on the specificity being associated with word of knowlwedge so I asked him "how do you know that what I said wasn't the result of word of knowledge" ? At least after that he kinda backed down and said something like "well what you said wasn't bad" (like he was some kind of quality control for manifestations). Some of the other people at the gathering were also complimentary of the "message". However I'm not at all claiming that it was special or even any different than the garden variety interpretation or "word of prophecy". But at least is "blessed" people. After that I started thinking how general in nature the so called worship manifestations were. It took only about 2 or 3 months from my first twig to realize that they were amazingly similar regardless of geographic location and how generic the messages were. I think this says more about TWI's take on the "mannies" than it does the manifestations themselves.

I've got a couple of basic questions here just to get caught up on the concept of "personal prophecy". From what I've read here it appears to be the delivery of some message specifically for one person..As opposed to a group. Right ? Also next question. CES was supporting this concept and maybe even teaching it (whatver that means) .. Is that correct ? Lastly and somewhat unrelated.. wasn't CES also the group who, early in their existence, supported the "momentus" classes ?

Belle, I've been out of TWI for a long time. My comments related to both concepts - "tithing" and "abundant sharing" the latter of which is a Way bred concept. In fact , the reality that TWI makes a distinction between the two only magnifies their greed. When I first became serious about TWI , the concept of "tithing" was acknowledged under that word. No one corrected/reproved me for employing that terminology. Over time the "abdundant sharing" idea emerged and soon there was the total expectation that any Wayfer would gladly and willingly conform to Way-taught ideas about financial contributions. My point is that , under any name, tithing or abdundant sharing, TWI leadership taught that your personal "abundance" (or lack thereof) was a direct function of your "giving". I heard this idea taught as far back as 74-75 which should counter the idea that "TWI 1" was immune from this concept.

OM said: This is getting good. Unfortunately I am getting ready to retire from Greasespot today. >> Hilarious...

OM said: Most folks already know me, my name is Phil Polizotto. >> I don't know you and have no way to verify this information. Nor do I care to. If you want to start demanding that people disclose details about themselves, others, including information relating to sensitive issues then you need to be prepared to respond in kind and with *complete* disclosuse including names , dates and times, those present. To do anything less is being a coward. I find it incredibly odd and totally inconsiderate that you expect people to compromise their security to accomodate your request for specific information as if you are the arbiter of what is "true and good" here at Gspot or in TWI. What has happened is that you have reached an impasse and the only way you can see out of it is to change the focus and misdirect to the fact that people keep details and identities off the baord (in many cases for good reasons). And you want to use this rather common and legitimate practice as evidence that others are cowards and gossips. That is cheap and low.

Perhaps if you arent too cowardly then you will reveal yourself ? You wouldn't ask someone to do something that you yourself aren't also prepared to do now would you OM ?

Dunno about guns and threats but I do know that my "standing" within TWI was explained to me as a direct function of my attendance at Way events AND the "quality" of ABS efforts. A lapse in either area, I was told in no uncertain terms - by several people in positions of leadership , would jeopardize my fellowship with God. This was around 1975. The above experience is far from unique - in fact it was the rule to the extent that many of us in my area (and others to which I travelled) used to remark that it cost money to be in TWI. Little did we relaize how prophetic these comments were. Later I recall explaining to a visiting Corps guy that I was going to take some time off to have some surgery. He recommended that I read "Christians Should Be Prosperous" and "apply the principles set forth" and I would receive healing which would eliminate the need for the surgery. This was around 77. Its most odd that the so called "law of believing" in PFAL was touted as the way to get deliverance yet within months of taking that class , I noticed that discussions on believing and deliverance were always closely tied in with references to ABS activity. Believing for deliverance wasn't sufficient - you had to be tithing and had to be "in fellowship". The latter two were Way approved concepts of course. In my Way history , even at my earliest Twigs there were *always* requests for financial support. The "horn of plenty" at the Twig was always emphasized as being key to helping with getting the "word over the world" and that those who are hesistant to give should continue to fellowship to understand that money given to mainstream churches or charitable organizations (cancer reserch, salvation army, etc) was a "waste". As I travelled around and visited different Twigs in different lcoales there was variation in terms of style meaning that some TCs, BCs, LCs, used the "hard sell" whereas others kept it low key but references to ABS were consistently made even over and above discussions on the welfare of members in the area. In after Twig talks if someone's problem emerged in the course of conversation , the ABS issue was frequently referenced as a possible cause of the misfortune. TWI has always promoted ABS with varying degress of intensity though if you were't giving you heard about it and it wasn't always in a nice tone. There were also suggestions that you would get sick and/or that the adversary could drive whole into your "hedge of protection". Some people who didn't give were invited to leave Twig until they could make "a committment" in this area. No. Don't belive it if someone tells you that TWI I was free from this type of thing. It wasn't - not by a long shot. In all the churches I've attended before and after my Way Daze, I've *never* been told that my problems were a result of my lack if tithing or that not tithing would allow the adversary into my life or that the reason a relative fell gravely ill was because I wasn't "giving God his due". I only heard stuff like this while in TWI and *never* in Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Baptist, Methodist, or Catholic churces. Not one ! In TWI I heard it more times than I can remeber. In TWI, tithing is a mortgage payment on your health and "fellowship" whereas tithing in mainstream churches supports a very real physcial infrastructure (a building, lights, heat, staff) and regular operations and community outreach programs (feeding the indigent, teaching English classes, etc). What does TWI have to support ? HQ staff who live in luxury ? Seems to me that the "home fellowship" concert meant that all that ABS was pure gravy for HQ types since NONE of that dough went to subsidize apartment rent or support the people who were running the Twigs anyway.

For me the Law of Believing as taught in PFAL was heavily influenced by 50s pop psychology icons such as Norman Vincent Peale, Earl Nightingale, and Maxwell Maltz all of whom espoused that a positive outlook enhances productivity and is entirely congruent with biblical teachings. That is God wants you to be optimistic about things. I think that a positive outlook is helpful since it does lift a certain amount of burden from our shoulders but its not a "fire engine red" machine that guarantees anyone their desires. For example the only person I've known who has a story comparable to VPW's "fire engine red" story was... VPW. In my experience, I've applied myself to the accomplishment of personal goals and with hard work ,and the belief that I can get there, it usually works out. But not always exactly as I had imagined it or within the time frame I wanted it. The positive attitude and belief in a helpful divine being can obviously keep up the confidence during this process which is of great value. On the other hand one thing that VPW tossed in - the so called "negative believing" has runined lots of people especially those combatting chronic healt problems. After all some people were being told that it was their lack of believing (or specfic fears) that resulted in the manifestation of illness. At what point does concern become worry ? At what does worry beome obsession ? At what point does the obsession become anxiety ? At what point does that anxiety turn into fear / negative believing ? And how long do you have to have this fear before something icky comes to pass ? Seems to me they had excellor sessions for SIT but why didn't they have these for "the law of believing" which was presumably the foundation of the foundational class ? Its far too important a concept to leave to conjecture especially since, mishandled, it can lead to personal misfortune and even death (e.g. the woman who lost her son). And there was that reference to "needs and wants parallel" which I defy anyone to explain let alone apply in an actual setting. Are there measurement tools available for determining if you need something as much as you want it ? Is there any wiggle room ? At what point is a need the same a desire. Is a desire that isn't a need being selfish ? I never got any straight answers for any of these questions and was usually told "well you will get it right eventually.. are you abundantly sharing ?". For such an immutable Law there were lots of problems getting a practical handle around it. In my view, the negative believing concept was employed to explain why people weren't living the life described on the PFAL green card. If you weren't experiencing health or harmony in the home, then don't blame God or TWI - blame yourself for not renewing your mind to believe enough for these things. Its a convenient position for Way leadership to take since it lets them off the hook for the problems in a believer's life. For me the Law of Believing as taught by VPW was an attempt at marrying contemporary cultural trends with biblical teaching. It was a proposed forumla for obtaining the "abdundance" referred to in John 10:10 though the concept of "abundance" was relative since I knew many who were living stacked 4 to an appartment and sharing a clunker car. And lots of these people were so called "spiritual heavyweights". If they can't rise above near poverty level then something must be wrong with the concept of abundance and the associated "law of believing". "Oh I don't need a comfortable house for wife and kids. I prefer living with a large group of people (some of whom I don't even know) sharing one bathroom".

Well there was the infamous LCM saying "God won't even spit in your direction" which was used specifically in reference to tithing/abundant sharing. ABS was something that was brought up at every Twig I went to and in the early 80s , there was even more pressure to "do the right thing" and pony up the cash. Anyone who didn't experience pressure to ABS wasn't in TWI or maybe it was the one in the mirror/alter-universe where it might have been a decent organization.

Oh you bet. Pun intended..... Kidnapping is wrong. Taking someone by force is wrong. That must be said and hopefully acknowledged by all and lets hope that "deprogramming" does not make a comeback in any aspect of our society. Also I'm sure that many DPs were in it for the money as I recall that it was not a cheap process to arrange. So its a sure bet that some of those guys weren't in the DP business because they cared so much about religion or someone's child. But DP wasn't aimed uniquely at TWI. The Moonies, Children of God, Children of the Light, and a few other groups whose names escape me at the moment were targeted. So at those times when TWI said that deprogrammers were agents of Satan attacking the "one true church" I found that to be most odd since other "churches" were being impacted also - so did this imply that they were "right on" also ? In TWI's mind they were the one stop shop for truth but DP's were dealing with other groups also. But TWI didn't want to deal with that question. And , as mentioned in my previous post, I wonder just how many of those "deprogramming" incidents reported by TWI were real ? There was a time when TWI called most any hasty,unexpected departure a "deprogramming incident". My point is that TWI leaders ,rahter than dealing with problems in the field , saw an opportunity to dispose of such difficulties as the actions of those "horrible deprogrammers" who are "everywhere". And those who were allegeldly kindapped (Some were) were always portrayed as being out of fellowship. (Again that Way hammer of you cause your own misfortune but TWI causes your good fortune). For example I don't see how a WOW wanting to go home is a "deprogramming incident" especuially if she called her parents to come get her - yet I know if a case where this happened and it was painted totally as the work of deprogrammers.. They made it seem like for every Way person there was at least 1 DP waiting to "get" them. This got so bad that we used to make jokes in our Twig - "Man, If you don't go to Family night , Ted Patrick is gonna have one of his boys get you". (I didn't have to worry about DPs my folks didn't have the money to pay them). did deprogramming happen ? Yes it did. did it happen as much as TWI said it did ? I strongly doubt ut.

Deprogrammers were hot news back in the day and it was sensationalized to the extent that I'm certain that it happened far less than the media (and certainly TWI) made it out to be. Oh sure there were stories of kidnappings though I also know of cases where Way leaders deliberately prevented people from contacting family members because they though it might "distract" the Wayfer from their commitment. I also know of situations wherein family members were desperately trying to get information to their son or daughter on the field though their messages were conveniently lost or relayed only long after theinformation was no longer relevant. If you think TWI didn't play with people and their families then you need to take a check up from the neck up. TWI made it seem like deprogramming was as common as the Sun rising each day. Some WOWs told us not to go witnesssing in certain neighborhoods and they would provide us with descriptions of alleged deprogramming teams. And they told us that if we were kidnapped then to SIT and say nothing. Such helpful instructions. They played us a tape of some Wayfer who had been deprogrammed though later returned to "the fold". They were saying how she had been out of fellowship for something like that to happen and how she had to be retaught sections of PFAL since the deprogrammers had "talked her out" of many of its truths. Another problem was that at that time TWI called any hasty departure of someone from the field a "deprogramming" incident when I know of some people who were just fed up, had called home and had their dad meet them at night so they could split without anyone messing with them. TWI of course painted the situation much differently. One angry father came and got hs daughter off he field because all his attempts at contacting here had failed (she never had a clue that he was trying because her coordinator wouldn't tell her). When she left the field TWI called it a deprogramming/kidnapping. Deprogramming did happen (mostly Moonies, and Children of the Light) though it didnt' happen nearly as much as TWI said it did and not all those incidents were as TWI portrayed them. As usual they wanted to embellish the stories and strike fear into the hearts of anyone contemplating a departure.

Having entered TWI not long after some of these turbulent events in early Way history I was always amazed at how effectively they silenced discussions relating to these matters. In keeping with the deceptive nature of TWI, discussions on the early days of TWI were always focused on VPW with no mention of Doop or Heefner. Only in after Twig discussions (and usually only after a few beers or some other things) did these individuals get mentioned in a respectful context. Like any dictator, VPW wanted full credit for the organization and his suck-up yes men worked hard to keep information about these guys away from people especially from newcomers. And when they were mentioned they were typically discredited. Most organizations go through any number of stages in their evolution and its frequently the case there are power struggles, changes in policy, and plans for growth. Yet most organizations don't try to hide all of these historical details and make it seem like the company/organization fell out of the sky fully formed. VPW did. And he wanted full credit - always.

Years ago I heard a young RFR talk about how mainstream religions celebrate Easter without any significant understanding of the events leading up to the resurrection of Christ. It was her view that only TWI had the "real" take on Easter and what it meant. The rest of her "teaching" was a boring talk on various "orientalisms", alleged "mistranslations" in the Bible, and how we should be grateful for things like PFAL and VPW (why was VPW , and later LCM, mentioned more than Jesus Christ?). TWI has always been concerned with mind numbing details at the expense of the larger message. While salvation isn't earned its a sure bet that TWI thinks it is. Jesus greatly simplified the complicated law associated with having a relationship with God yet TWI ,instead of honoring that, wished to abstract JC ("the absent Christ") and reintroduce complicated procedure and legalism just to make sure you use their twisted apparatus as a means to be "in fellowship". Of course participation in that apparatus cost you money and lots of it. It also meant you had to kiss the right a$$ at the right time to insure more of those rewards at the "bema". Since when did salvation become a quest for rewards ? Only TWI emphasizes this aspect of eternal life ,which serves to underscore their greedy mentality and fascination with materialism. No other mainstream religion is obsessed with "rewards" in the afterlife to the extent that TWI is. Isn't eternal life enough ? Not for TWI it isn't. Its all about more,more, more though something tells me that some of those people at the top of TWI won't even be at the bema and might in fact be in a "warmer" place. If there is anything conceptually close to the concept of Pharisess in the 21st century then it is surely TWI leadership.

Prior to my Way days I checked out a lot of the spiritual/meditation groups - Krishna, Silva Mind Control, TM, ESP, sceances, reincarnation studies , and even a group of satanists (who were without a doubt the most boring group of people I have ever met). I had this real desire to find evidence of spiritual existence but in all this effort I found nothing - zilch - nada - rien ! There were people with lots of stories on how they had seen this or seen that or how someone read another's mind but when it came time to reproduce any of this it never happened. During a sceance this woman put her hand on my leg (Said she was afraid). Now that caused the spirits to rise ! Of course I had to see her home safely... *ahem* Anyway. After I landed with TWI I got a hold of that book "The Challenging Counterfeit" by Rafael Gasson (spelling might be wrong) which was required reading for would be advanced class students. Interesting book. There was a guy who couldn't walk a city block without some type of in-your-face, over-the-top spirtual phenomena going on yet here I was , enthusiastically pursuing evidence of such but came up dry. Someone in TWI later told me that "God must have been protecting you". Of course this runs counter to TWI mentality where if you even have the wrong album in your house it could mean eventual devil possession. I mean to a Way person if you even think of "spirits" then you are well on your way to being possessed. Well I'm not suggesting that there aren't spirits out there just that it seems to be the more common case that they *don't* communicate with us as much as some people would have you believe. I think mediums in general are just opportunists looking to benefit from those in grief or those looking for answers. And people are so desperate that they will believe most anything from these people. they had some psychic show on TV a few years back I think and it was a total joke. It turns out that they had active microphones scatterred throughout the studio audience so the "medium" could over hear conversations which he would later use to convince people that he had some special knowledge. In the end I must say that I've had a few eyeopening experiences that I can can't explain and they were of a very positive nature. I'm not ready to shut the book on paranormal experiences though I rarely give it any thought because there are plenty of things to deal with in the here and now.

Well I guess I would have to say that I'm from dixie but only if the concept of "the south" extends to South America.....

Well TWI made a big case for "rise and expansion" and in fact made unambiguous claims that if there was no expansion then people weren't living the word or some such statement Obviously this was used to fuel recruitment drives for PFAL and the various Way classes. At some point when numbers dropped and continued to drop, Way leadership quietly modified this approach so they wouldn't have to explain why people were no longer attracted to TWI. Of course they also blamed stagnation and diminishing numbers on cop outs, gays, and possession thereby not having to accept the fact that TWI has little appeal to a person of any age. Historically the strength of the early Way days was in the youth. Lots of idealistic young people made TWI what it was and as those people grew up there have been no significant sources of replenishment. There are no 60s Jesus freaks looking for a cause or vagabond hippies on the lookout for a community. Both of these movements greatly benefitted TWI in the early days. Besides what could TWI possibly offer anyone today ? A fellowship concept with middleaged (and older) know-it-alls who rave on in their own special lingo while demanding your money and time. Whats the payoff ? More of the same next week ? The WAy continues to shrink in size but grow in ego and I'm sure their current explanation for this situation is to suggest that "only the committed remain". There used to be a poster here at GSpot who claimed to be an innie ("Lowly Lolly Puppy") though I was never convinced that she/he wasn't WayGB or worse some troll who fabricated a Way history based on general posts here at GSpot. In any case this person would never provide details on anything except to say "numbers are up", "more classes are running now" but when pressed for data ,he/she would clam up and say "well thats what we were told".Oh wow. So some limb drone said "numbers are up". Thats real authoritative ! Of course then we later found out that some of those "numbers are up" statements were based on the fact that current followers were running their children through the various classes. (Like they had a choice). Its like when there was a new Way book. Leaders would say "we can't keep copies of this. Its hot !". Well I wonder why when its required reading and the only consumers are Way followers themselves. They wanted married couples to have their own subscription to The Way Mag just to get more cash and make the claim that its a successful publication. There is so much lying in TWI and the sad reality is that most of it is targetted at its own followers in order to keep them in in place. They used to take for granted that each ROA would be bigger and bigger each year but once that turned around they cancelled it to keep from looking bad (like that strategy worked) so the former followers and the NK community wouldn't be able to say "wow. 500 people showed up for the Rock and 450 of those people were HQ staff". No. The energy in TWI right now is designed to keep people in place and hide the what we already know - that TWI is dwindling in size. They used to brag about numbers now they shun any discussion relating to them. And have you seen the pics on the Website ? Some of these people who used to rave on about being athletes of the spirit and fitness clearly aren't eating on a needs-only basis. This isn't a cheap shot since back in the 70s and 80s some of those hot shots would berate those with weight problems. Now whats going on ? The middle aged spread is okay in the sight of God ? what is the concept now ? Couch potatoes of the spirit ? The concept of "present truth" has allowed TWI to basically change their story any time they contraict themselves. Its just another way for them to lie to people who keep them in business.

igotout said: Heck I remember LCM stating one evening at a Coprs meeting in Emporia .... "not all of you can become branch leaders. Many of you need to go out and get jobs and careers and go to college." This reminds me of something which is a bit off topic though entirely relevant to the above comments. As fewer people remain with TWI , I suspect those at the top, wishing to protect their slice of the Way money pie, will eventually deliver a similar message to those in "mid-level" and "junior" management positions. No doubt this will come as a shock to those who thought that TWI would take care of them and provide some form of retirement. Way leadership will probably rationalize this by saying things like "We've taught you the keys to abundance and power which are more than sufficient for finding prosperity as you transition to your new careers and pursue educational opportunities. You are the best so you will shine above the rest and your light will be a beacon to those seeking truth." Of course expectations relating to abundant sharing will not be relaxed nor will expectations relative to class and meeting attendance. But I really believe that the trustees will encourage full timers to find other types of employment even going as far as "laying off" people who might have worked for years or decades. Of course this wouldn't be because money is tight - just to insure that those at the top get the lion's share of it. I also think that at some point there will be serious contention at the trustee level concerning who has access to what and for what purpose. These people wanna retire comfortably. They've lived for years off of free labor and have cultivated a sense of entitlement that has become second nature (even first nature). In their twisted minds they will feel that its their money and they have somehow earned it.

Who authored these articles ? Are they part of a larger work ?

Oldiesman said: Diazbro, I'm impressed it's not ok with you. Really. >> Thanks. That should be sufficient proof then that not all exWay folks have the loose moral and ethical codes of VPW. More interesting is how and why anyone would think what VPW did to be okay.

OldiesMan said: The thief in that verse is satan, and it goes to show where your head is at to compare VPW with satan. >> It was a joke but you knew that. Don't misdirect things to get it off track. VPW stole from the works of others and apparently that is cool with you. Its not with me. Thiefs , intellectual or otherwise, are still thiefs. You cannot buy,borrow a book and integrate its text into your book or "class" and sell it. You can't even paraphrase sections and get away with it. Its illegal and at a real university will get you fired and discredited. Additionally its not even certain that the material he stole is "god breathed" or "error free" or in anyway represents "God's Will". Oldies man said: I'll be happy to hear what so revived you from twi that's so exciting. >> Oh thats easy. I left TWI and got a "real" life. That act alone allowed me to escape the contrived BS environment of TWI and its so called "research". Just leaving the VPW worship scene cleared my head up. I don't need some hopelessly legalistic, neo-fascist movement to give order to my life. Oldiesman said: >> I'm all ears. Oh perhaps but they continue to remain closed to any and all ideas that are critical of VPW, PFAL, and TWI. PFAL was cobbled together using the sources of others and passed off as the original work of an outcast,rogue preacher whose intense desire for recognition and glory outweighed any remaining genuine humility he might have ever had.

So first you admit that there were "stolen" parts which is apparently accetpable to you. So maybe John 10:10 should really be saying "The thief cometh not but for to steal the works of others and combine them into PFAL but thats cool". In terms of focusing on "riding the bike" that must be one shaky bike. I don't want to ride it. Again, the sources that VPW lifted have never been proven to be error free or representative of God's will so I reject the idea that even those stolen concepts and ideas from other authors were that "right on" anyway. PFAL was some class I took way back when and is a *miniscule* part of my so called "religious training". If it jumpstarted your spirtual life then thats cool but it didn't mine. In fact PFAL caused my spiritual life to flatline though getting out of TWI BS helped revive it.

Well if you don't stop admitting things then I'm gonna stop posting......

On Waydale and later at Gspot there was a tactic that some people employed to get attention. It was basically something like "if this forum doesn't stop being so mean then I'm leaving". It was used a lot at Waydale and to my amazement was remarkably effective. The manipulator err poster would receive lots of responses like "oh don't leave you are such a valued brother/sister in christ and your input is so valuable". It was pretty sick since these people would just be holding the forum hostage to their point of view. If people weren't into their opinions then these people wanted to pick up their toys and go home. Oh boo-hoo..... So lots of these people would swear in righteous anger that they were leaving Waydale/Gspot to NEVER return to such a "negative" place. And like two months later there they are posting again and completely ignoring their previous declarations. Of course they would get mad when someone would remind them of it. In the very early days of Gpsot it was still regularly employed but not with such great effect. At some point I guess it was recognized for what it was - a cheap ploy and I haven't seen it since last year when one guy said he was leaving because of what he felt to be too many "pro homosexual posts". Yea its a real Soddom and Gommorrah here....

Well its becoming a case of having too many chiefs and not enough indians. (no disprespect to my native american brethren). How many people does it take to call the shots when there are no new bodies ? TWI's strength used to be that it was a youthful setup with numerous, able-bodied post adolescents ready to push "the class". Now its aging, pudgy people with no retirement nestegg (who might not yet realize that) who guilt trip their kids into taking classes and maintaining the Way flag against their will. I've always felt that at some point there will be some pretty bitter battles at the top once someone makes a move on the considerable financial resources in the Way cupboards. Its gonna happen one day and thats when the feathers will fly. Somone is gonna start fearing that they are gonna get cut out of their slice and then it will be scandal city.