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"Correct me if I'm wrong but..." Means - NO way in heaven or hell am I wrong and even if I were you're not up to the task of correcting me in this or any other world, so just listen please."

Personally, I'd prefer it-it would be nice- if he's gotten his act together, and now helps people rather than hurting them, all because he understands now what went wrong before. I'm not counting on it. He's probably keeping his head down and avoiding headlines. (He probably has someone in charge of making sure of exactly that.) It would be of a piece with what we last heard about him.

Sky, years ago I joined the Navy to better myself. Many people told that because I was an AC Grad, I should go into the Corps. Your post lists the reasons why I am glad I choose the Navy over the Corps. Thanks!

Don't you just love it when one man decides what God is going to decide regarding another man's salvation? That line of thinking is looney in the tooney LOL.

What little time I spent live with him (and Sean, for that matter) made positive impressions on me. Then again, I can say the same of Geer, and he was nuts when I wasn't in the room with him. I know VF was defending Geer's "God doesn't know everything" doctrine even when he wasn't making sense doing it. (Really, VF? "Maybe God Almighty didn't know what the 'signs' meant in the Heavens when he MADE the 'signs'?" You mean He was following a careful design but He had no idea what He was designing or why?) Add that to the normal consequences of "you can lose your salvation" and it's a recipe for disaster. The questions are "when" and "how big" and "what type of disaster".

Well, it looks like yet another offshoot will be coming soon. I just got wind of it today, no details yet.

I wanted to pull some important points out of this to highlight but it's so packed with good advise, I found that to be an impossible task.

I don't know about anyone here, but splinters or any other organisation - I don't care. Can't cope with these "festivals" and group meets such as that on the page that Raf has included. My church puts on weekends with special speakers, and I always want to run a mile. Part of my legacy of too many boring meetings run by TWI. Sad really. I'm probably missing out.

Watching the Scientology series is enough for me. Some of the parallels are chilling.